brodybuck21 said:

score 14 and probably going to get shutout back to back days right after. same ole shitty ass reds

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just wanna point out to future readers.....he said this in the 3rd inning. I checked. It's now the 8th and the meat of the order went 1-2-3 in the 7th.

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I get the effort by other schools, but everyone should just give up at this point if they're smart.

ScriptOhio said:

Just sayin': I think the ultimate irony here on scUM is that they actually had a very good team in 2023. They had an experienced QB that McCarty played pretty good (at least he did out play McCord in The Game), had 13 players drafted in the 2024 NFL draft, and there are predictions that they will still have 3 first round picks in the 2025 NFL draft. There was a very good chance that they could have won the National Championship in 2023 without cheating. But let's face it, "cheating was and is just in their DNA".......

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They were prototypical Harbaugh teams, just like the 2015-2016, 2018 squads. Arguably more talent. But the cheating kept them from violently shitting themselves until the playoffs. It’ll never not be hilarious that they had to cheat in most egregious way possible just to win their own division, but still couldn’t do dick in the playoffs until their 3rd try.

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Sounds like they need an "Oracle."

fraley is worthless

15 straight

brodybuck21 said:

elly with a 2 out double to break up the early perfect game, lets see what lux does with 2 outs. my guess is a weak groundball to 2B

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Gave him too much credit. Struck out on ball 4 in the dirt. 14 straight scoreless

elly with a 2 out double to break up the early perfect game, lets see what lux does with 2 outs. my guess is a weak groundball to 2B

Jaxbuck said:

I tried to get excited about them this year thinking the injuries were a fluke, McClain was back, the pitching is good etc etc etc

It's already unwatchable.

McLain and Elly are legit players and fun to watch. The other 7 guys who, unfortunately for all of us, have to swing bats are a fucking clown show.

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exactly. no talent ass clowns

Jaxbuck said:

John Cooper knew

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So did Randy Ayers. How the hell our AD survived those two fools, I'll never know.

brodybuck21 said:

score 14 and probably going to get shutout back to back days right after. same ole shitty ass reds

13 straight scoreless innings with 0 xbh

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I tried to get excited about them this year thinking the injuries were a fluke, McClain was back, the pitching is good etc etc etc

It's already unwatchable.

McLain and Elly are legit players and fun to watch. The other 7 guys who, unfortunately for all of us, have to swing bats are a fucking clown show.

DaveyBoy said:

Free fall continues. This pretty much cements Gene Smith’s legacy as pretty shitty. Weak vs the NCAA in tattoo gate. Gave up a natty opportunity with a mindless forsaken season. Let the woke mob push Meyer out. Followed instead of led on covid return. Mindless extension of Holtman despite clear signs of CH not being the guy. Good riddance, gene

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woke mob

this is the definition of finding shit to fit your narrative. we get it. you don't like Gene Smith.

brodybuck21 said:

score 14 and probably going to get shutout back to back days right after. same ole shitty ass reds

13 straight scoreless innings with 0 xbh

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Texas up 1-0. game over

NFBuck said:

First, let me preface by saying that I know Thad Matta is not a realistic program standard. In fact, I have been one of those preaching that since he started his decline over his last couple of seasons. But, that doesn't mean we should accept 17-15 seasons as the new norm. With the portal, building competitive/championship teams is easier than ever before. You just have to be serious about NIL. Right now, I strongly suspect we are not serious about NIL.

Historically, tOSU is a .611 program. That equates to ~ 20-12 a season today. Most years, that should get you into the tournament coming out of the B1G. Thad Matta was at his best for 9 seasons (2006-2014) here and went 255-71 (.782) in that span with 8 NCAA berths, and 2 Final Fours. That's probably not a realistic standard over that long of a span unless you luck into another program shifting coach like Thad. Now, is that impossible? Certainly not. Not if you're serious about being a top program. I hope I'm wrong, but Diebler does not seem to have the juice needed to move this program beyond mediocrity. He feels like a lazy hire who got the job because he did "okay" for a few weeks and the AD didn't want to go out and pay for anybody else.

Thad's decline seemed to really start with the 2014-15 season. Since then, we've gone 224-144, which is just a hair below our historical norm at .609. But, we've made just 5 NCAA's in those 11 years and have never reached the Sweet-16. In 11 years, this team has missed the tournament 6 times and never got past the round of 32. That is unacceptable for a basketball program with tOSU's resources. Another wild stat, during Matta's peak, he lost 10 games or more just 3/9 seasons. tOSU has lost <10 just once in the 11 seasons since (25-9 in Holtmann's first year).

This is not a blue blood program, so expecting us to be elite regularly is probably unrealistic, but we sure as shit should be doing better than we have the last decade.

Until we start taking basketball seriously, I fear we're likely a bubble team at best. At worst, we could be facing a total collapse of the program and I don't think that's unlikely given how we've been recruiting and what our approach seems to be to the portal. Maybe a total collapse is what is needed to wake the AD up. Or maybe he just doesn't care.

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The Holtmann extension is still one of the biggest WTFs ever out of Ohio State sports. Right after a rather meh season where they were a 7 seed and got bounced in the 2nd round in the year following the Oral Roberts debacle.

That buyout is probably one of the reasons we ended up with Diebler, he's ridiculously cheap and it helps offset that nonsense.

My name is Nick.

What's it mean?

I don't know... Something my dad thought of while shaving.

Zurp said:

Off-topic, but when people mention that some kids will follow the money for their college teams, I think many or most others will look for these experiences. Ask Jack Sawyer, who is likely making a lot on NIL, how much he'd sell his celebrations for. I'm sure there's a price. What I mean is... If some generic player is offered $X at Ohio State, or another team that is expected to make deep runs into the playoffs every year, and $X + $Y at another team where it is unlikely they will win anything of note, is that $Y worth not having the memories that would be made with a better team? I'm sure it depends on what $Y is. If you're offered $1M to go to Ohio State or $6M to go to Bowling Green, you might choose to take the extra $5M to go to Bowling Green. And it might depend on what $X is. If you're offered $12M to go to Ohio State, and $17M to go to Bowling Green, that $5M doesn't seem so big, anymore. (Law of diminishing margins.)

My point is that I hope the kids realize that money isn't everything, and could never buy the experiences that Ohio State had in the 2024 season.

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Re: Right after winning Super Bowl XXI: NY Giants' linebacker Pepper Johnson and tackle William Roberts were responsible for the most creative post-game celebration, doing a funky disco dance at midfield moments after the game ended. Calling it “The Dog,” they said it was a dance they learned at a fraternity party while they were teammates at Ohio State.
I remember seeing that ↑ and John Madden (TV commentator) commented on the midfield dance by Johnson/Roberts: "It doesn't get any better than that and they'll remember it the rest of their life".

Just sayin': You you are right, but I wonder how much value most college football football players but on a possibility of a celebration experience; especially having never experienced one. Most college students probably believe something to the effect of...

score 14 and probably going to get shutout back to back days right after. same ole shitty ass reds

13 straight scoreless innings with 0 xbh

FWIW, on Zach Smiths show he dropped a few interesting things. He does have friends in the WHAC still and his comments combined with how Day seems to be a bit stressed about the offense this would make sense.

Apparently (according to Zach) Lincoln probably isn’t OSU quality and Julian is struggling right now. Went as far to say there’s toughness issues with Julian. Needless to say not great news lol

He went on to mention though that there’s some that think the defense is better right now than last years defense. Especially on third down where they apparently bring both Hicks and Reese off the edge.

TBH I believe him. Coach Day has an overall unease I sense when he’s talking about the offense and he’s mentioned how well the defense is playing (especially CJ).

If so that’s a bit concerning though. Personally I would’ve liked to have seen another portal QB to give us more options before camp.

This is 2024 thread fellas

calibuck said:

Historically, college scholarships have been 'split', giving more players a share of the pie. 10 fully funded scholies, could be broken down to fund more than 10 players if coaches/ADs so desired. Hoping this is still 'so'. Guess that NIL could/would be available to fill in the missing pieces. Anyone know if an out of state player has to be reponsible for his/her tuition if no scholarship awarded? And yeah, saw how young the current tennis team is. Go Bucks!

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Just sayin':

1) All players have to have their tuition paid for (i.e. covered). If they aren't on a full athletic scholarship they could get other scholarships/grants too based on academics and/or financial need, etc. In addition, there are now NIL opportunities too.

2) The way I read it is the 2025/2026 D1 tennis teams can only have 10 players and they can (but don't have to) award 10 scholarships. If money is tight in the school's athletic department, they could give a player a partial scholarship (or even none at all). With that in mind I'm guessing that no top rated player will be playing at a D1 school in 2025/2026 without a full scholarship. With the competition and the transfer portal I'm pretty sure that another school will be more than willing to offer that player a full ride plus (maybe) evn a NIL deal too..

3) The issue with Ohio State for 2025/2026 (as I see it) is 12 2025/2025 players eligible for another year and an incoming Freshman which could result in exceeding the 10 player limit with. I'm sure that this situation isn't unique to Ohio State; undoubtedly many other D1 tennis teams have well over 10 tennis players possibly returning too. I've also seen articles alluding to the possibility of being able to "grandfather in" these players that were already on the team, etc.

New NCAA Men’s Tennis Scholarships Limits​

Starting in the 2025-2026 academic year, the NCAA will eliminate D1 scholarship limits if a proposed settlement is approved, enabling all sports to distribute scholarships more flexibly among athletes. This change is expected to have a significant impact on college tennis recruiting. More details and the latest updates here. These changes will impact men’s tennis recruits in the following ways:

• D1 men’s tennis programs will be allowed to offer 10 scholarships, up from the current limit of 4.5.
• D1 men’s tennis will have a maximum roster limit of 10.
• D1 tennis is already an equivalency sport and will continue to offer both partial and full scholarships to recruits.

Note: These are the maximum scholarship and roster limits set by the NCAA, but schools aren’t required to meet these maximums.

Men’s tennis scholarships by division level​

*If NCAA proposed settlement is approved
*Scholarships Limit Per Team: This is a maximum limit that the NCAA places on the number of full-ride equivalent scholarships that a team can award. When an NCAA Division 1 and Division 2 tennis program is fully funded, college coaches have a maximum of 10 and 4.5 full-ride equivalent scholarships to award, respectively. While it is not impossible to receive a full-ride tennis scholarship, these are generally reserved for international athletes. Division 3 and Ivy League schools do not offer athletic scholarships. Instead, recruits can look to academic scholarships for financial funding.

**Equivalency Scholarship: Equivalency scholarships allow college coaches the flexibility to divide up their scholarship budget however they see fit each year. This means fully funded NCAA Division 1 and 2 programs can take the 10 and 4.5 full-ride equivalent scholarships and divide the budget to award a partial scholarship to each athlete on the roster. College coaches can also choose to award larger scholarships to fewer roster holders, which would leave some athletes with no financial funding. Programs that aren’t fully funded have fewer than 10 and 4.5 equivalency scholarships.

bigdog3300 said:

I think at this point it is clear the program has a culture that has accepted mediocrity - they don't seriously (or consistently) pursue top end high school talent OR top end portal talent.

In some ways you can probably combat that if you lock down the in-state talent, but we can't do that. If you can get a steady stream of 4*'s, develop them for a year and watch them turn into Devin Royal's you can have a great team, but he is the exception. This program has no direction...if I said what type of player does Diebler want, what style of play does he want, what three words define the program, etc. it would be met with silence.

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First, let me preface by saying that I know Thad Matta is not a realistic program standard. In fact, I have been one of those preaching that since he started his decline over his last couple of seasons. But, that doesn't mean we should accept 17-15 seasons as the new norm. With the portal, building competitive/championship teams is easier than ever before. You just have to be serious about NIL. Right now, I strongly suspect we are not serious about NIL.

Historically, tOSU is a .611 program. That equates to ~ 20-12 a season today. Most years, that should get you into the tournament coming out of the B1G. Thad Matta was at his best for 9 seasons (2006-2014) here and went 255-71 (.782) in that span with 8 NCAA berths, and 2 Final Fours. That's probably not a realistic standard over that long of a span unless you luck into another program shifting coach like Thad. Now, is that impossible? Certainly not. Not if you're serious about being a top program. I hope I'm wrong, but Diebler does not seem to have the juice needed to move this program beyond mediocrity. He feels like a lazy hire who got the job because he did "okay" for a few weeks and the AD didn't want to go out and pay for anybody else.

Thad's decline seemed to really start with the 2014-15 season. Since then, we've gone 224-144, which is just a hair below our historical norm at .609. But, we've made just 5 NCAA's in those 11 years and have never reached the Sweet-16. In 11 years, this team has missed the tournament 6 times and never got past the round of 32. That is unacceptable for a basketball program with tOSU's resources. Another wild stat, during Matta's peak, he lost 10 games or more just 3/9 seasons. tOSU has lost <10 just once in the 11 seasons since (25-9 in Holtmann's first year).

This is not a blue blood program, so expecting us to be elite regularly is probably unrealistic, but we sure as shit should be doing better than we have the last decade.

Until we start taking basketball seriously, I fear we're likely a bubble team at best. At worst, we could be facing a total collapse of the program and I don't think that's unlikely given how we've been recruiting and what our approach seems to be to the portal. Maybe a total collapse is what is needed to wake the AD up. Or maybe he just doesn't care.