As a fan and alumnus of both OSU and UVA, and having watched several games of each team this season, OSU got fucked by the refs tonight. That simple. OSU had the lead for the vast majority of the game, and very questionable calls stopped that lead right in its tracks. Royal played poorly tonight, but having him on the court is still important (he has been great at the end of games a couple times this season after having had a poor game to that point), and especially so when the team is shorthanded. OSU failed to stop UVA's rebounding, but did do well against their other strength, shooting the 3 ball. OSU played better defense that I thought they would in this game (would have been even better defense had the refs called it evenly). Down 2 starters from the beginning of the season. OSU was the better team tonight, but when one team is allowed to play physical on D and the other is not, there is not much you can do. 32-9 free throws in favor of UVA, and once again, OSU was rolling up until several poor calls in a row went UVA's way. This is my summation as someone who loves UVA basketball.

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DZ83CK said:

I said this was a tough defense to go against tonight. You're ignoring reality here. UVA has the #17 defense in the country per Kenpom. You act like the Buckeyes were playing against air - that could not be farther from the truth. Virginia made it tough for OSU offensively.

I have been critical of OSU defensively- to me, this is where the Holtmann/Diebler system has fallen flat. Just a little bit better rebounding and defending without fouling, and even with all the offensive struggles down the stretch, OSU wins that game.

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Where did I mention Virginia in my comment? I even specifically said, "Watch any Buckeyes opponent run their offense." "You act like" this was the first game of the season.

DZ83CK said:

I said this was a tough defense to go against tonight. You're ignoring reality here. UVA has the #17 defense in the country per Kenpom. You act like the Buckeyes were playing against air - that could not be farther from the truth. Virginia made it tough for OSU offensively.

I have been critical of OSU defensively- to me, this is where the Holtmann/Diebler system has fallen flat. Just a little bit better rebounding and defending without fouling, and even with all the offensive struggles down the stretch, OSU wins that game.

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I don't think the "Diebler offensive system" is that great either. It's not bad statistically but there are way too many sustained sequences of ugly where guys just seem to do whatever they want.

brodybuck21 said:

Somethings going on. He looks checked out

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He was 8-8 from 2 against USC and had a big game even though the 3s weren't falling. UVA played very physical on him today and he was bothered by their length inside.

Zem said:

Watch any Buckeyes opponent run their offense. It looks like they have a plan, quick and crisp passing, etc.. all the things well-coached teams do. Then watch our Buckeyes on offense. None of that. Never decisive, effective passing, never looking like there's a play or a plan. Maybe Bynum will go one-on-one and get to the hoop or shoot a 3. Maybe they'll let Bruce dribble to his spot for the 100th time. Or, here's a good one - get the ball to Tilly beyond the 3-pt arc, have him take a shot there with under a minute to go, one-possession game, after a time-out. That was my favorite for this game. Sheer, unadulterated brilliance!1

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I said this was a tough defense to go against tonight. You're ignoring reality here. UVA has the #17 defense in the country per Kenpom. You act like the Buckeyes were playing against air - that could not be farther from the truth. Virginia made it tough for OSU offensively.

I have been critical of OSU defensively- to me, this is where the Holtmann/Diebler system has fallen flat. Just a little bit better rebounding and defending without fouling, and even with all the offensive struggles down the stretch, OSU wins that game.

Zem said:

Watch any Buckeyes opponent run their offense. It looks like they have a plan, quick and crisp passing, etc.. all the things well-coached teams do. Then watch our Buckeyes on offense. None of that. Never decisive, effective passing, never looking like there's a play or a plan. Maybe Bynum will go one-on-one and get to the hoop or shoot a 3. Maybe they'll let Bruce dribble to his spot for the 100th time. Or, here's a good one - get the ball to Tilly beyond the 3-pt arc, have him take a shot there with under a minute to go, one-possession game, after a time-out. That was my favorite for this game. Sheer, unadulterated brilliance!1

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Other teams run an offense. Ohio State is usually just 5 guys doing whatever. Which is on the coaching 100%

Sat once for a rape case....

Basically it was he said/she said. And the woman was so inconsistent with everything she said, it was hard to follow. And not because she was shaken up or anything - she wasn't able to relate day to day things either. And the weird part is she was so inconsistent about her own statements that even the prosecutor was visibility angry at her. Hard to explain in context.

It didn't help that the other individual was a dumbass with a rap sheet at least 15 pages long, but it was all minor piddly theft shit - like the biggest thing was one time he stole a whole carton of cigarettes instead of a pack, shit like that.

Anyway - I was the foreman so I was trying to watch the room after reading through the stuff I had to read to the group. Voting went quick except for one member who knew these two personally and had lied about it in the jury selection process. As foreman, I got to talk that over with the lawyers and the judge. That was a whole fun time - it cost us a full day, and it held up what was otherwise a pretty unanimous not guilty verdict. Ultimately it became a mistrial but I don't think it ever came back to be tried. I'm pretty sure the person who lied on the jury got charged with contempt but after I identified the issue, they were removed from the jury room and we never saw that person again.

Afterward the Judge came in to talk to us about the case and his reflection matched my own - both of the individuals in the case were likely to be back in the system sooner or later. Water finds its own level eventually.

DZ83CK said:

This is a really discouraging loss. That being said, we shouldn't ignore that, combined with permissive refs, UVA played strong defense. It was hard for OSU to run any offense tonight. They took away some things OSU normally does - maybe Mobley being out changed part of those things too, but nevertheless it was a very challenging defense for OSU to contend with today.

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Watch any Buckeyes opponent run their offense. It looks like they have a plan, quick and crisp passing, etc.. all the things well-coached teams do. Then watch our Buckeyes on offense. None of that. Never decisive, effective passing, never looking like there's a play or a plan. Maybe Bynum will go one-on-one and get to the hoop or shoot a 3. Maybe they'll let Bruce dribble to his spot for the 100th time. Or, here's a good one - get the ball to Tilly beyond the 3-pt arc, have him take a shot there with under a minute to go, one-possession game, after a time-out. That was my favorite for this game. Sheer, unadulterated brilliance!1

Somethings going on. He looks checked out

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buckeyemania11 said:

Lazy is a major program just handing the job with very little resistance to an assistant of the guy they just fired.

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Lazy is throwing out unprovable theoretical scenarios when there are far larger issues at hand that you seem to want to continually ignore.

Not a bad start! Headed to Memphis, TN next weekend

buckeyemania11 said:

Sweep!!

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I don't hate Diebler personally and I can't even blame him for taking the job that's a no brainer for the guy but I hate the joke of an athletic department for making the cheap lazy move.

Sweep!!

Mike80 said:

How would you know? Are you his agent? Do you hire people in athletic departments? The guy is connected. He was absolutely going to be a head coach somewhere and somewhere likely soon-ish had Holtmann not gotten fired. Probably at a mid-major program, yes, but the reality is, he's at Ohio State now.

And I like how you changed the goal posts from being "considered" to being "hired by a low level program". You're not a TCUN fan, stop that shit.

The thing is we don't know that for sure. It's clear you hate the guy. That's fine. But now we're playing this stupid theoretical game that literally does nothing.

Like I said, it's lazy.

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Lazy is a major program just handing the job with very little resistance to an assistant of the guy they just fired.

This is a really discouraging loss. That being said, we shouldn't ignore that, combined with permissive refs, UVA played strong defense. It was hard for OSU to run any offense tonight. They took away some things OSU normally does - maybe Mobley being out changed part of those things too, but nevertheless it was a very challenging defense for OSU to contend with today.

brodybuck21 said:

Why doesnt Grujic play at all???

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I watched him a little in pregame warmups, he looks very unserious. Like the least serious player on the team. Nash tries harder. I would say he's already checked out of the program, but I'm not sure he ever checked in.

Chatman was about as effective as me sitting in my chair

SAWFT

Hate to say it, but watching the team today without Mobley, they are officially cooked. No chance to make the tournament without Mobley. No coach in America could get the rest of these guys to make the tournament.

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Maybe some low low level program gives him a head coaching job but he wasn't getting a HEAD coaching job at a major conference school.

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How would you know? Are you his agent? Do you hire people in athletic departments? The guy is connected. He was absolutely going to be a head coach somewhere and somewhere likely soon-ish had Holtmann not gotten fired. Probably at a mid-major program, yes, but the reality is, he's at Ohio State now.

And I like how you changed the goal posts from being "considered" to being "hired by a low level program". You're not a TCUN fan, stop that shit.

The thing is we don't know that for sure. It's clear you hate the guy. That's fine. But now we're playing this stupid theoretical game that literally does nothing.

Like I said, it's lazy.