osubartender23 said:

Bull shit. If any OSU team loses 5 games even with a win over scum, people are going to lose their shit and demand a coaching change.

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You mean like they are doing with a 10-2 season and a loss to Michigan. Seems like we'd be in the same place, no?

osubartender23 said:

Bull shit. If any OSU team loses 5 games even with a win over scum, people are going to lose their shit and demand a coaching change.

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No shit, which is why these either or questions you people keep posing are stupid. Those aren't the only options. The goals are to beat scUM, win the conference, and compete for an NC. Not to be mediocre or slightly above average without beating our rival. None of us are happy with either of those options, so this isn't the gotcha' Day sympathizers think it is. Tressel and Meyer routinely beat scUM, won 10+ games, won the conference, and competed for NCs and won high-profile bowl games. That's the standard. That's what Day is not doing

OregonBuckeye said:

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I see you're advocating for Parking Flemming to come back I see

Agree entirely, NFB. It almost feels like piling on now, but he has crapped the bed just about every time it mattered. The Cotton Bowl, which somehow we were gaslit into thinking that maybe it didn't matter, was a glaring example. In retrospect, I think he should've been fired after that embarrassment. Where are we now? Any better off? Nope. Would we be any better off had we made a change? Possibly, actually, no, definitely. Fuck me, I could've coached this team to a win last Saturday. If we'd hired somebody else and lost some players and maybe not landed some transfers, would we still have been able to beat that 6-5 tcunt team? Of course or we're not who we think we are. Would we still be at least an 8-seed in the CFP? Of course or we're not who we think we are. This fucker has managed to get us to follow his playbook, think scared and worry more about losing than working on winning.

AuTX Buckeye said:

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System_id said:

If somehow Day is retained, bare minimum Bjork needs to do is force Day into getting new OC/OL/DL/ST coaches and a new psychiatrist.

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buckeyemania11 said:

Bonehead return things have been a problem dating back to the Urban days, let's not forget the adventures of Jalin Marshall, you had to cringe every time he went to field a punt.

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Jim Tressel, Special Teams Coordinator.

NFBuck said:

I think the kicking/punting issues are more of a talent issue than coaching. With our NIL war chest, there is no excuse for going out and getting the best of both on any given year. Or at least getting competent players at both positions. But for whatever reason, we seem to be okay with "just a guy" at either spot. tCun went out and got themselves an elite kicker last offseason, and it paid dividends. It feels like we haven't had a reliable guy from 40+ in years.

Now some of the boneheaded returns decisions is a coaching thing.

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Bonehead return things have been a problem dating back to the Urban days, let's not forget the adventures of Jalin Marshall, you had to cringe every time he went to field a punt.

TDG said:

Kind of interesting how every season this guy has to fire all of his assistants because they all let him down. I wonder what the common denominator is there?

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I think he hit a homerun with Knowles. The problem is that LJ Sr. is clearly past his expiration date. He was absolutely elite here for years, but it seems like since Bosa/Young left, we've been plagued my underachievement, and poor depth at the position. Our DL does not produce at the level needed. That seems more positional than philosophy.

Offense is another story. On paper/statistically, the offense is still fine, but there are serious issues lurking beneath the surface which came to an ugly boil Saturday. In hindsight, hiring Chip was a grave tactical failure as they're essentially the same person. Yeah, Day let go of the play calling (at least we think he did), and the move was pretty much universally praised, but if the guy he hired calls plays and game plans the exact same way, what changed? I don't mean to say we need a radical shift in overall offensive philosophy/framework, but we need a guy that thinks strategically different from the way Day does, as that clearly isn't working in key situations. I also have serious concerns about our QB development. The complete failure to have somebody ready to play in the Cotton Bowl last year was a total failure. I haven't seen anything out of any of our guys we have behind Will that leads me to believe they would be ready to step in if needed in what's left of this season or will be ready to go next year. Of course, Day barely lets his backups have any run, so that's hard to say...but also adds to the concern. If we see him dipping into the portal again this offseason (I don't think he will, but if he does...), then we have serious issues in developing these guys. Something has happened since Stroud that is not good in that area.

I don’t know where the triple team comments come from. In the second half, they were playing 2 deep safeties on most plays.
Ideally, we should have run them out of that defense, but we all know that wasn’t effective because our OL was dominated.
Hard to get large gains on two deep. Need to patiently move the ball down the field. We just wasted too many plays on short runs and didn’t adapt to this failure.

Kind of interesting how every season this guy has to fire all of his assistants because they all let him down. I wonder what the common denominator is there?

Zander42 said:

Just wait, you'll see.

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I will. And if I'm wrong I'll admit it.

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Lol, OK

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JCOSU86 said:

I believe he’ll turn this around

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Just wait, you'll see.

AuTX Buckeye said:

SOOOO we're bringing back Parker Flemming.... I am so excited [/s]

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I think the kicking/punting issues are more of a talent issue than coaching. With our NIL war chest, there is no excuse for not going out and getting one of the best of both on any given year. Or at least getting competent players at both positions. But for whatever reason, we seem to be okay with "just a guy" at either spot. tCun went out and got themselves an elite kicker last offseason, and it paid dividends. It feels like we haven't had a reliable guy from 40+ in years.

Now some of the boneheaded returns decisions is a coaching thing.

osuvictory1 said:

Unfortunately, I think Day needs somebody to keep his mind right.

That person was supposed to be Chip, however, he was along for the ride for the Sat debacle.

Day definitely needs checked in on. I don't mean this as a bad thing. Many high functioning corporate people need counseling to talk them off the ledge.

It seems to be that Day has a hang up with showing the world how tough he and his team are. All it seems to take is a little prodding, and he falls for the bait.

This past Saturday did not need to happen and should not have happened, if somebody was in his ear forcing him to think through all the scenarios, which in his case he reasoned that the best way to win was the one through the greatest resistance. That was one of the most self destructive coaching efforts that I can recall in CFB.

If its true that OSU was building on Chips blue print the entire season, and all of sudden on Scum week, Day decided to invert himself into the picture and change things up, almost completely, there are no words. Day's insecurity is slowly killing the program. That cannot happen.

Day already agreed to step away from play calling. He obviously needs a constant reminder.

Ultimately Bjork needs to get involved. Become more supportive and also be a presence. Or find somebody to fill that. Possibly bring on Tress to be a mentor. Either Day will resist and flee, which is fine, or he will do better when he has somebody keeping his emotions in check.

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I've been pretty resistant to Tressel ever having any formal role at the university, but I have to admit that he would be perfect in the role of Day Wrangler.

RB07OSU said:

That is the exact issue. We did that effectively against PSU and IU, who both have better defenses than ttun. Don't reinvent the wheel when you have the talent to just do the same thing and not prove a point. JJ Smith is a literal cheat code and if the defense really goes that hard to defend him, use the unlimited other weapons until you get the coverage off him. I don't think the staff can even explain this one...and its not hindsight, it is foresight.

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It wasn't about winning the game. It was about winning the game by proving that he was tough and could beat them by going straight at their strength.

buckeyemania11 said:

There seems to be some sort of arrogance there with Day where he legit thinks he wont need to actually use the special teams to help win ever.

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SOOOO we're bringing back Parker Flemming.... I am so excited [/s]

NFBuck said:

One of my chief complaints of Day's tenure is his failure to solidify the Special Teams. Been a problem for years now. When's the last time we had a kicker you felt comfortable with in a clutch situation? Not to mention shaky punting and issues with decisions in the return game. Total neglect.

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There seems to be some sort of arrogance there with Day where he legit thinks he wont need to actually use the special teams to help win ever.

billmac91 said:

Terrible embarrassment a school the caliber of OSU has a kicker and punter that wouldn’t see the field at many non P4 schools.

Abject failure by this staff to NOT have these units solidified going into season. Just crazy to me…..

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One of my chief complaints of Day's tenure is his failure to solidify the Special Teams. Been a problem for years now. When's the last time we had a kicker you felt comfortable with in a clutch situation? Not to mention shaky punting and issues with decisions in the return game. Total neglect.

cmstophe said:

I’m just honestly confused why nationally people are so sure Michigan will be “back” next year? With the rest of their leftover talent leaving, Moore has been questionable all year. The one saving grace for their season was beating us, which, well…. They literally just let Day walk into rake after rake. Did they really do anything special?

Idk. Maybe I’m coping. I don’t see a program that’s about to have another meteoric rise. Doesn’t excuse all of our own issues at the moment obviously and we still have to beat them whether they are good or not. Just wondering why Michigan is seen as just having a blip down year when everything tells me they will be closer to this going forward than the ridiculous buzzsaw natty team we saw last year.

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They lose a ton and will likely be starting a true freshman at QB but their schedule is very favorable next year. They avoid Oregon and Ped State. Their big OOC is against a stumbling Oklahoma program. Unless teams like Nebraska, Sparty and USC improve they could stumble into 9 wins in 2025. That being said, they would need a all time transfer portal class to be a real serious national player.

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