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Look Who's Transferring Now (The Basketball Portal)

DZ83CK
Jaxbuck said:
Well if we are going by rationality, no one would pay it if they didn't, ultimately, see the value in it. Now that can look different to different people but in the end, you have to go from the baseline of rational actors so there is no way to say what the players are "worth" any more than there is a way to say what any entertainer is worth. The value of something in the market is the price someone else is willing to pay. The IRS can make up market values because, well, they are the IRS but in reality how do you objectively define what someone's pay is "worth"?

I agree that NIL is a sham in that it's really pay to win but then again, no shit. That's what the coaches are paid for too.

NIL is, to me, is a direct consequence of the abuses of the past. The game was rigged against players, SCOTUS had to finally step in because the old system wouldn't reform at all and now NIL is the workaround.

Abuse leads to restrictions.
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I would say that the lucrative nature of college coaching contracts you mentioned absolutely is a motivating factor driving some of these NIL prices sky high. I don't think it's a coincidence that no low major like a Toledo or Akron, whose coaches make relatively little, has a booster ponying up big bucks for any of these players. I do feel that at some point there needs to be an authority that helps set the rates of pay for college athletes (amounts which would vary based on the circumstances obviously) - possibly much of this could be done through collective bargaining but if players don't want to unionize then the NCAA needs to step up and do it. One way to sort it out is, if the player disagrees with the amount he's offered, hiring a ton of arbitrators to evaluate each player's value with all things considered - they do it all the time in pro sports.
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MLB General Discussion (Official Thread)

Jaxbuck
Mike80 said:
Yup.

And I think the player's resolve to not have it be a restrictive cap is just as strong as it was in 1994. I mean, they were willing to give up Ripken's streak for it....
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Which is where ultimately it looks like all they care about is the money and don't give a damn about the sport for the fans. They will ultimately lose in the court of public opinion barring some unforeseen media campaign.

We all know it's more nuanced than this but the lowest common denominator will end up being, "all the other sports have a cap and they don't have the competitive imbalance, baseball doesn't have a cap and only the big spending teams are competing for the title every year."

I just don't see how the players overcome that.
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Look Who's Transferring Now (The Basketball Portal)

Jaxbuck
DZ83CK said:
It is rational in a sense, but irrational in the sense that MOST of the money these kids are getting is "PAY TO WIN" and not really based on marketing or business value. I feel like the way college athletes are paid needs a serious overhaul. There's no way a no name, borderline first round NBA draft pick who's played one year in college actually is worth $7 MILLION/YR for "NIL". That amount is being paid mostly because it's become an arms race for talent and Rick Pitino wants to win basketball games. It's all about the difference these guys can help make in team results and really not about who these guys are individually, and that's the real core inconsistency with what NIL has become.

I'm not sure what the right solution is, but I don't think salary cap & limiting NIL to strictly above-board, honest business deals is going to cut it because then Rick Pitino will just go back to his old under-the-table ways of paying guys to gain an advantage. As far as I've seen the only ways to avoid under-the-table recruiting is the system we have now (which has gotten out of hand) and a humongous draft of all high school players entering college which no one seems to be on board with.
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Well if we are going by rationality, no one would pay it if they didn't, ultimately, see the value in it. Now that can look different to different people but in the end, you have to go from the baseline of rational actors so there is no way to say what the players are "worth" any more than there is a way to say what any entertainer is worth. The value of something in the market is the price someone else is willing to pay. The IRS can make up market values because, well, they are the IRS but in reality how do you objectively define what someone's pay is "worth"?

I agree that NIL is a sham in that it's really pay to win but then again, no shit. That's what the coaches are paid for too.

NIL is, to me, is a direct consequence of the abuses of the past. The game was rigged against players, SCOTUS had to finally step in because the old system wouldn't reform at all and now NIL is the workaround.

Abuse leads to restrictions.
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Look Who's Transferring Now (The Basketball Portal)

DZ83CK
Jaxbuck said:
Every player is a one year free agent at this point. Basketball or football.

Likewise, if this kid wasn't good, some coach somewhere would have cut him at the end of a year.

Seems like a more rational system to me.
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It is rational in a sense, but irrational in the sense that MOST of the money these kids are getting is "PAY TO WIN" and not really based on marketing or business value. I feel like the way college athletes are paid needs a serious overhaul. There's no way a no name, borderline first round NBA draft pick who's played one year in college actually is worth $7 MILLION/YR for "NIL". That amount is being paid mostly because it's become an arms race for talent and Rick Pitino wants to win basketball games. It's all about the difference these guys can help make in team results and really not about who these guys are individually, and that's the real core inconsistency with what NIL has become.

I'm not sure what the right solution is, but I don't think salary cap & limiting NIL to strictly above-board, honest business deals is going to cut it because then Rick Pitino will just go back to his old under-the-table ways of paying guys to gain an advantage. As far as I've seen the only ways to avoid under-the-table recruiting is the system we have now (which has gotten out of hand) and a humongous draft of all high school players entering college which no one seems to be on board with.
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2026 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, Arrogant Twatwaffles, Emasculated Cucks, Feckless Marmots, Dirty Cheaters "Mid"chigan

buckeyemania11
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I would love for scUM to run the heck out of Underwood! If he's a top 2-3 rusher for their offense, they will be screwed... So I welcome it
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I'm really hoping for this too, every time they have Underwood go on a designed run and take the RBs out of the game is a win for their opponents. Underwood has not shown that he has the intangibles to be a constant running threat. It'll work great against scrubs like Western Michigan and UTEP where you can get by on athleticism alone, but most of their B1G schedule will corral him. If they think they are going to get what they got out of Dampier (a true dynamic runner) against much weaker Big 12 defenses with Underwood against their schedule this year it's gonna be fun to watch.
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Chaz Coleman (DE Penn St., transfer to Tennessee)

buckeyeintn
ScriptOhio said:
Here's an interesting article/take/speculation on the Chaz Coleman situation at Tennessee:

atozsports.com

Former Ohio State DC Jim Knowles is taking a big loss if the latest trend for Chaz Coleman’s playing future at Tennessee comes true

The Chaz Coleman situation at Tennessee is an odd one — and it looks like former Ohio State DC Jim Knowles might be hurting the worst in the end of all of this.
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Former Ohio State DC Jim Knowles is taking a big loss if the latest trend for Chaz Coleman’s playing future at Tennessee comes true​

The Chaz Coleman situation at Tennessee is an odd one — and it looks like former Ohio State DC Jim Knowles might be hurting the worst in the end of all of this.

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Just a few months ago, it was cold outside, and the talk of the town for Ohio State football was their chase of former Penn State EDGE Chaz Coleman in the transfer portal.

Ohio State cooled off on Coleman shortly before he committed to Tennessee, where it’s been a rocky tenure with the Vols ever since. Coleman missed the majority of spring practice with Tennessee, and the latest news is that he’s yet to report for summer workouts.

There’s a solid chance Coleman never suits up for the Volunteers this fall, and a former Buckeye coach will be hurting as a result.

Jim Knowles is one of the biggest losers from the Chaz Coleman situation if it continues heading south

Tennessee paid up big dollars (or at least planned to) for Coleman to be an important part of its defense this fall. Knowles is in his first year as the defensive coordinator at Tennessee after spending last season at Penn State. Coleman followed Knowles to Tennessee, but now may never get to coach him again.

“He was in spring practice for maybe not even a week,” On3’s Chris Low said recently on Fox Sports Knoxville. “He did very little, if anything, during the offseason conditioning program and the weight program. Here we are now, what, three days [after] the players are supposed to be back, and he’s not back. I think it’s really to the point now where he’s left Josh Heupel and his staff with very little [choice]. Unless, again, there’s something else out there that comes to life. But we’re probably to the point where it’s unlikely that we see him play football at Tennessee.

“I don’t ever want to get in people’s personal business, but there are some things that this kid has dealt with. So whatever is out there, whatever those things are, he’s gotta get those things under control. But he doesn’t have a lot of options. I know some people say, ‘Well, he wants to go to Ohio State.’ Well, there is no spring portal. You can’t transfer and play next year.”

It’s a wait and see situation with Chaz Coleman

It sure sounds like Tennessee could soon be cutting ties if something doesn’t change, and that’s tough for Knowles in his first season. The Vols watched EDGE Jordan Ross enter the portal and sign with LSU. Coleman is expected to step in and be an impact player for Tennessee, but now there’s major caution on it happening.
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I really feel sorry for Knowles in this situation. He's shown such loyalty during his coaching career, especially during his last 2 stops. He doesn't deserve this.
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I'm sorry. I tried really hard to type that without laughing. Turns out I couldn't help myself.
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Chaz Coleman (DE Penn St., transfer to Tennessee)

ScriptOhio said:
Here's an interesting article/take/speculation on the Chaz Coleman situation at Tennessee:

atozsports.com

Former Ohio State DC Jim Knowles is taking a big loss if the latest trend for Chaz Coleman’s playing future at Tennessee comes true

The Chaz Coleman situation at Tennessee is an odd one — and it looks like former Ohio State DC Jim Knowles might be hurting the worst in the end of all of this.
atozsports.com atozsports.com

Former Ohio State DC Jim Knowles is taking a big loss if the latest trend for Chaz Coleman’s playing future at Tennessee comes true​

The Chaz Coleman situation at Tennessee is an odd one — and it looks like former Ohio State DC Jim Knowles might be hurting the worst in the end of all of this.

IMG_9650-1280x853.jpeg


Just a few months ago, it was cold outside, and the talk of the town for Ohio State football was their chase of former Penn State EDGE Chaz Coleman in the transfer portal.

Ohio State cooled off on Coleman shortly before he committed to Tennessee, where it’s been a rocky tenure with the Vols ever since. Coleman missed the majority of spring practice with Tennessee, and the latest news is that he’s yet to report for summer workouts.

There’s a solid chance Coleman never suits up for the Volunteers this fall, and a former Buckeye coach will be hurting as a result.

Jim Knowles is one of the biggest losers from the Chaz Coleman situation if it continues heading south

Tennessee paid up big dollars (or at least planned to) for Coleman to be an important part of its defense this fall. Knowles is in his first year as the defensive coordinator at Tennessee after spending last season at Penn State. Coleman followed Knowles to Tennessee, but now may never get to coach him again.

“He was in spring practice for maybe not even a week,” On3’s Chris Low said recently on Fox Sports Knoxville. “He did very little, if anything, during the offseason conditioning program and the weight program. Here we are now, what, three days [after] the players are supposed to be back, and he’s not back. I think it’s really to the point now where he’s left Josh Heupel and his staff with very little [choice]. Unless, again, there’s something else out there that comes to life. But we’re probably to the point where it’s unlikely that we see him play football at Tennessee.

“I don’t ever want to get in people’s personal business, but there are some things that this kid has dealt with. So whatever is out there, whatever those things are, he’s gotta get those things under control. But he doesn’t have a lot of options. I know some people say, ‘Well, he wants to go to Ohio State.’ Well, there is no spring portal. You can’t transfer and play next year.”

It’s a wait and see situation with Chaz Coleman

It sure sounds like Tennessee could soon be cutting ties if something doesn’t change, and that’s tough for Knowles in his first season. The Vols watched EDGE Jordan Ross enter the portal and sign with LSU. Coleman is expected to step in and be an impact player for Tennessee, but now there’s major caution on it happening.
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Can't believe Jim's "happy go lucky" attitude isn't helping poor Chaz adjust to big time college football ....
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2027 IL DL Brayden Parks (Verbal Offer)

ScriptOhio
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Elite defender spurns Ohio State football days before he was expected to take an official visit, now trending toward two other CFB powers

An elite recruit was expected to be in Columbus this weekend to be at Ohio State. Now, it appears the Buckeyes will be heading elsewhere to play college football.
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Notre Dame, Oregon trending for a major recruit who canceled a visit to Ohio State​

Ohio State was expected to have a pair of elite defensive tackle recruits in town this weekend, but five-star Sierra Canyon (DL) Marcus Fakatou is the only one who will be in Columbus. The Buckeyes had planned to have Brother Rice (Ill) DL Brayden Parks in for an official, but the visit has been canceled, according to Rivals’ Steve Wiltfong.

Parks’ only two visits set to happen this summer are now to Notre Dame on June 12, then Oregon on June 19. Ohio State was set to be the biggest contender to land the 6-foot-3, 305-pound defensive lineman over Notre Dame and Oregon. Notre Dame has been seen as the favorite to bring in a player who isn’t far at all from then, but the latest buzz has Oregon rising in his recruitment.
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