buckeyemania11 said:

I'll repost what I posted above.


I know it's fun to throw around that 12th in NIL spending number, but IMO it's very possible that we had money that went unspent because they put a lot of their eggs into the basket of a player or two that they ended up whiffing on, and then by the time that player picked another program they were left with scraps. The margin for error in the hoops portal is much much smaller than in football. Now i'm not claiming that we had the NIL resources of a scUM or anything but I think there's probably more behind that number. So i'd say there needs to be a big re-examination of how we attack the portal.

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buckeyeintn said:

You believe this is possible with NIL money in the bottom half ( and only 1 spot away from the bottom third) of the B1G? Diebler is not a detriment to additional NIL money. The priorities at tOSU and the priorities of the donors are the detriment to additional NIL money. And as much as I'd like to see large donors step up to help BB, I'm not real sure those donors give a rat's ass about what I think.

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buckeyeintn said:

You believe this is possible with NIL money in the bottom half ( and only 1 spot away from the bottom third) of the B1G? Diebler is not a detriment to additional NIL money. The priorities at tOSU and the priorities of the donors are the detriment to additional NIL money. And as much as I'd like to see large donors step up to help BB, I'm not real sure those donors give a rat's ass about what I think.

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TDunk said:

Maybe this is why the NHL is using outdoor skating rinks. Then biathlon skiers can show up and pick off moving dancing targets. Bi-dance-thlon coming in 4 years.

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AKAK said:

I think the point was to create an unsafe environment for the ice dancers. Maybe thin out the herd a little

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buckeyemania11 said:

The university has just completely mismanaged the program. It was definitely time to move on from Thad but the way it happened was definitely not ideal (way after the hiring cycle had already transpired) Then you had the complete disaster that was that Holtmann extension. Without the inexplicably bad extension the Holtmann situation isn't as bad but all of that led to us getting to where we are now.

Unless we got extremely lucky somehow we aren't getting an immediate high level splash hire who's going to instant have us as a real threat. That's just not in the cards for this program in the state it's currently in. I do think if Diebler flames out we should at least be able to land someone who can have us respectable and at least a constant tournament team though.

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DaveyBoy said:

I’m mostly there. But what got Thad fired was 2 years in a row out of the tourney and the talent level looking like they would miss the next year as well. So the bare minimum is 50% of the time in the NCAA….every other year. At least half of those tourney visits should go to S16. I really don’t think those are too much for Ohio State. 50% of the time in NCAA……25% of the time in the S16. 1 FF every 8 to 10 years.

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buckeyemania11 said:

Honestly being consistently in B1G title contention isn't even an expectation of mine, I just think we should be able to make the tournament more often than not. Which I don't think should be unrealistic at all. If we could maybe make a more serious run 3/4 times a decade that would just be a big plus.

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BuckBackHome said:

Biathlon is a great event. Combination of two completely different events into one with the high endurance of XC and the precision of calming your body down to hit a tiny target 50 meters away is a heck of a combination. It is the one winter event where the US has never won a medal, that I know of.

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billmac91 said:

The issue with Brooks is he always played a “light” PGA Tour schedule anyways. He has never liked to grind, and he’s an admitted “home-body”…..nothing wrong with that, IMO.

For all the shit LIV players get, their schedule is mandatory to qualify for the contractual $$$, and the schedule is all over the world. Brooks hates that.

Add in LIV went to (4) round tournaments (like the PGA Tour) to qualify for World Ranking points, and many of the reasons Brooks joined LIV (for less wear and tear on his body) basically disappeared over 2 years.

He’s going to play a light PGA schedule, but be much happier.

The last thing I’d point out….he made his brother Chase $5M on LIV. Chase ended up being relegated but he earned over $5M in his short time in LIV, only bc Brooks called that shot (that Chase had to play the first season). Now that Chase is relegated, he can’t really do his brother any favors….

But at least the next time Chase calls from the Philippino Tour asking for $$$, Brooks can say “what’d you do with that $5M I made you?”

Was probably worth it for that alone.

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Jagdaddy said:

I don’t like him, but my alternative hypothesis is that he thought he could go to the more money for less work with less competition league and still be sharp enough to win majors, which is all he really cares about, and has realized that he’d lost his edge away from the PGA Tour and wants to get it back so he can be relevant again.

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pnuts34 said:

Him or Corey “Philly“ Brown would be good comps imo

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RB07OSU said:

Kind of sounds like a Parris Campbell to me, is that a good comparison? I sure hope so for our sake.

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DZ83CK said:

I will say one more thing, it's not a coincidence that the last time OSU won any type of B1G championship was when they had Aaron Craft, one of the best defenders in OSU history. The only season after Craft's final year that OSU had ANYONE on the B1G all-defensive team was EJ Liddell in 2022, and they actually were within a whisker of winning the B1G tourney with him. Clearly this is something that Holtmann never prioritized, but hopefully eventually the lightbulb will click within the OSU program and they will start to get serious about defense. Until that point, I don't see OSU having a team that contend for the B1G title. Now, they could make the tournament, but they won't be a serious contender until they figure out how to get a team that can both score and defend at a high level.

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Jagdaddy said:

I don’t like him, but my alternative hypothesis is that he thought he could go to the more money for less work with less competition league and still be sharp enough to win majors, which is all he really cares about, and has realized that he’d lost his edge away from the PGA Tour and wants to get it back so he can be relevant again.

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DZ83CK said:

I saw data earlier this season that showed statistically OSU was actually a better team in the second half than most. What does that tell you? He's making adjustments better than most coaches, and that's with a roster that isn't spending comparably to the elite in the sport. Be honest, is the OSU roster that talented that you'd expect multiple guys actually playing consistent minutes in the NBA in the future? I say no. Obviously he did not inherit a roster filled with elite talent, and has been hamstrung by OSU with regards to NIL. This year he's got Bruce Thornton and a bunch of guys who probably wouldn't start for the top teams in the B1G, plus a short bench because again OSU has held back the program with NIL in comparison to the top teams in the B1G. When guys transfer from OSU, they're not all of a sudden shining elsewhere. Currently the talent level in the program, in terms of the 4th-8th best players on the roster, is not sufficient to be competitive at the top of the B1G.

I think the #1 thing he needs to change is get more elite defensive players - now he did get Ojianwuna, who I believe is more defense-oriented, but obviously he's not playing this year. The offense works well enough even with a roster that's 12th in the B1G in terms of NIL, but these past couple of seasons clearly defense is the area they aren't putting out a winning product. Part of that is these guys aren't good enough rebounders, part of that is they need some better athletes in terms of size, athleticism, length, strength and motor. My hope is that if - I know, big IF - OSU starts to let the NIL dollars actually flow to this program that they will be able to get some guys who are elite defenders. I don't know if Jake realizes this is the area he needs to upgrade the most, but I guess we'll have to wait another year to see. I don't think his first couple of offseasons that he had the right situation to add the best players to the program, so I do have hope that this next chance will be the time that OSU finally gets smart with NIL and lets this man use some funds to add the players he needs to build a B1G contender. It's not going to show up on the list of "needs" for the offseason for OSU, but they absolutely should prioritize adding SOMEONE who will be an All-B1G caliber defender just as much as they should prioritize adding a strong guard to replace Bruce.

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