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Game Thread Northwestern at tOSU, Sat. Nov. 14th, noon ET, FOX

You are most likely correct. I was just pointing out the unlikelihood of TCUN beating Oregon, especially since the game is at Autzen and USC and UCLA can't both go undefeated the rest of the way since they play each other. The Hoosiers however can and most likely will. I expect them to beat USC and Purdue in Bloomington and I can't see Washington beating them even with the game in Seattle.

All of that predicting by me could go flying out the window if someone finishes what OSU started and IU loses their QB completely.

They are just like the rest of us when QB1 is out.
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Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

As much as Le Chuck and you guys are right, there's still some shit that's the same, and a few other things that actually help instead of hurt.

Imagine for me, for a moment, even with the benefit of hindsight, that you're trying to recruit kids for 2025 (which means kids who would be second year players this year) and you handed them this depth chart:


Do they want NIL money? Sure. Do they want to play and get seen and go to the NFL? Yes, they still want that stuff too.

Do a bunch of them learn in about 15 months that they're not going to be first round draft picks once they see what those guys can do? Yep. So, to me it's gone from Woody's got 150 schollys where he'll pay a kids way to never play for Michigan or anyone else to, kids can move around freely (and we can dump them pretty freely too, so that's the other side)

But the key feature on that chart isn't so much that you've got a really formidable 2 deep so a newer guy might have a while to wait to start, so why not get paid and be closer to starting somewhere else.... its harder to manage because you've got a guy like JTT on there who in previous years might have gone to the NFL but its more lucrative for him to stay (we can argue that point but, there's reason to believe he had that decision to make), I'm guessing Kenyatta is about the same, etc.

In addition our OL coach sucks, wait, no that's not my point.

So, you get into this thing where you gotta manage 90 or 95 guys "in play" over a cycle and it becomes this really complex game of do you do the pre NIL Kentucky (pick you basketball program of choice, and I know things are changing there too) where you recruit all one and done guys who are all all world but realize you're gonna get some misses or the Villanova/Gonzaga model where took a longer view to your roster.

Now... its obviously both, but for kids who are realistic about how they need to develop and what their position value is, there's some stickiness if you get them.

Season Incoming Freshmen (247 Rank) Incoming Transfers Total New Scholarship Additions Portal Exits Total Scholarship Losses (Draft, Grad, Portal) Returning Production (FBS Rank)
2024 22 (No. 5) 8 30 25 ~33 65% (No. 56)
2025 26 (No. 4) 11 37 16–21 47 46% (No. 101)
2026 29 (No. 3) 17 46 (58 w/ walk-ons) 31–32 47 60% (No. 31)
(the returning production I think is snap count so, you know, OL heavy, what was I saying? Nevermind that, also AI summaries may make mistakes)

So the two things the stick out to me is if you're having twice as many transfers in, and 50% more total new scholarship players, you have a very "new" team. Obviously you all know this but I mean, its really new.

Breaking out the departures:

Offseason / Season Early NFL Draft Entries Graduated / Exhausted Eligibility Transfer Portal Exits Total Scholarship Losses
2024 4 4 25 33
2025 7 (14 total drafted*) 19 21 47
2026 5 (11 total drafted*) 11 31 47
(not to mention those 5 early departures in 26 were probably more critical -- and some would have played sooner if they hadn't been behind players who stayed)

The larger story is that I think our particular landscape this year is that it was 2 off seasons that led to this, really 3, not one, and I would say we could have done better with the 11 incoming than we did for 25, but when you have to get 17, you were in bad shape already. The thing here I don't accept is that teams with brands and money don't still have a distinct advantage, they obviously do, its not actually a redraft every year like some folks are making it out to be, and you still have to get the best out of the dudes you have and you need to retain your talent.

In terms of "re-draft" NIL should take care of some of the heavy lifting here. There are rules, contractual rules and they can/will be enforced meaning not every guy on the roster has to be renegotiated every day of every year.

Future casting, I see the same correction mechanism that MLB found all those years ago- the "owners" will realize they are spending a lot of money they could be keeping if they weren't in constant bidding wars with each other for talent (see the Saving College Sports Act).

The we'll get salary caps, drafts and the like.
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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

This will NEVER happen, because if TSC has any success, it will mean that Ryan Day was wrong, and he's WAY more interested in being right than actually admitting he was wrong and doing the right thing.

I hope y'all enjoy watching TSC and Legend Bey balling out at whatever schools they play for next year.
Lol just saying shit to say it at this point. Day and his staff have been flat out bad this season, but this is unfounded nonsense about him not being able to admit he was wrong. Maybe go find a heavy bag instead of ranting like a lunatic
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Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

As much as Le Chuck and you guys are right, there's still some shit that's the same, and a few other things that actually help instead of hurt.

Imagine for me, for a moment, even with the benefit of hindsight, that you're trying to recruit kids for 2025 (which means kids who would be second year players this year) and you handed them this depth chart:


Do they want NIL money? Sure. Do they want to play and get seen and go to the NFL? Yes, they still want that stuff too.

Do a bunch of them learn in about 15 months that they're not going to be first round draft picks once they see what those guys can do? Yep. So, to me it's gone from Woody's got 150 schollys where he'll pay a kids way to never play for Michigan or anyone else to, kids can move around freely (and we can dump them pretty freely too, so that's the other side)

But the key feature on that chart isn't so much that you've got a really formidable 2 deep so a newer guy might have a while to wait to start, so why not get paid and be closer to starting somewhere else.... its harder to manage because you've got a guy like JTT on there who in previous years might have gone to the NFL but its more lucrative for him to stay (we can argue that point but, there's reason to believe he had that decision to make), I'm guessing Kenyatta is about the same, etc.

In addition our OL coach sucks, wait, no that's not my point.

So, you get into this thing where you gotta manage 90 or 95 guys "in play" over a cycle and it becomes this really complex game of do you do the pre NIL Kentucky (pick you basketball program of choice, and I know things are changing there too) where you recruit all one and done guys who are all all world but realize you're gonna get some misses or the Villanova/Gonzaga model where took a longer view to your roster.

Now... its obviously both, but for kids who are realistic about how they need to develop and what their position value is, there's some stickiness if you get them.

Season Incoming Freshmen (247 Rank) Incoming Transfers Total New Scholarship Additions Portal Exits Total Scholarship Losses (Draft, Grad, Portal) Returning Production (FBS Rank)
2024 22 (No. 5) 8 30 25 ~33 65% (No. 56)
2025 26 (No. 4) 11 37 16–21 47 46% (No. 101)
2026 29 (No. 3) 17 46 (58 w/ walk-ons) 31–32 47 60% (No. 31)
(the returning production I think is snap count so, you know, OL heavy, what was I saying? Nevermind that, also AI summaries may make mistakes)

So the two things the stick out to me is if you're having twice as many transfers in, and 50% more total new scholarship players, you have a very "new" team. Obviously you all know this but I mean, its really new.

Breaking out the departures:

Offseason / Season Early NFL Draft Entries Graduated / Exhausted Eligibility Transfer Portal Exits Total Scholarship Losses
2024 4 4 25 33
2025 7 (14 total drafted*) 19 21 47
2026 5 (11 total drafted*) 11 31 47
(not to mention those 5 early departures in 26 were probably more critical -- and some would have played sooner if they hadn't been behind players who stayed)

The larger story is that I think our particular landscape this year is that it was 2 off seasons that led to this, really 3, not one, and I would say we could have done better with the 11 incoming than we did for 25, but when you have to get 17, you were in bad shape already. The thing here I don't accept is that teams with brands and money don't still have a distinct advantage, they obviously do, its not actually a redraft every year like some folks are making it out to be, and you still have to get the best out of the dudes you have and you need to retain your talent.
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WR Jeremiah Smith (All B1G, B1G Freshman of Year, B1G WR of Year, Unanimous All-American, 2025 Rose Bowl Off MVP, National Champion)

It seems everyone believes Jeremiah was yelling at the sidelines. When I first saw it I wondered if a DB was taunting him and he was yelling back at them. That, to me anyway, would be much a more reasonable reaction by the young man. If anyone has any insight I would appreciate hearing it.

I haven't come close to reading all of the responses to his reaction to whatever was going on so this may have been covered. If so, I apologize.
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Game Thread Northwestern at tOSU, Sat. Nov. 14th, noon ET, FOX

TCUN isnt beating the Ducks and UCLA winning out means USC gets another loss.
I look at it like this UCLA is in with 1 loss at most.

The next spot is being fought for this weekend when IU hosts USC (and likely beats USC) because if IU wins that game they are not losing again and will finish with just 1 loss.

Oregon would be next up if they win out and USC upsets IU?
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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

"I have covered this team more than any other team in my career and I have been around Jeremiah a lot, and this is not him, and I think that frustration was layered," Klatt said. "The frustration was when he was open, he wasn't getting targeted; the lack of targets was frustrating to him and then the routes he was running."

And Klatt doesn't believe the problem can be pinned entirely on freshman quarterback Luke Fahey, either. He took particular issue with Ohio State's lack of creativity in getting its best offensive player involved.

"The fact of the matter is there was virtually no creativity with Jeremiah Smith [on] how to get him the ball in specific ways," Klatt said. "It was just, we're going to line him up out there and then if they take him away with the coverage, we'll just throw it to other guys. That can't be the plan."

That's a pretty damning assessment of Ohio State's offensive approach, especially considering Smith went over two hours of real time without a target after his 32-yard catch in the first quarter.

Klatt's criticism of Smith is worth considering, but his larger point should resonate with the Buckeyes: A player as talented as Smith shouldn't disappear from the game plan for nearly an entire half. Ohio State has to find better ways to get the ball in his hands, especially if it wants to finish the season on a high note with wins over Northwestern, Nebraska and Michigan.

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WR Jeremiah Smith (All B1G, B1G Freshman of Year, B1G WR of Year, Unanimous All-American, 2025 Rose Bowl Off MVP, National Champion)

just sayin......

Tressel also addressed the frustration Jeremiah Smith has shown on the field and on the sidelines during Ohio State’s back-to-back losses.

“I’ve been around their practices,” he said. “I try to get there every two or three weeks. I have never seen anyone who works like him. I’ve never seen anyone so respectful with his teammates. … I was standing there one day at practice three weeks ago, with the rest of the hangers-on. He’s out there running routes. All of a sudden he peeled off and ran over and shook my hand. He said, ‘I always wanted to meet you.’ And then he ran back. … He cares very deeply about Ohio State and winning at Ohio State. It frustrates him when we don’t win. It frustrates all of us.”
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Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

This in spades..

As fate would have it I grew up a Browns fan. After the Modell fiasco and sale, along with the startup of the new franchise that faded. I still would love to see them come back. It’s in you and it never completely goes away.

Same is true with the Buckeyes.
If they did some behind the scenes stuff that addressed legal ownership, licensing agreements and player compensation I really wouldn’t give a tinkers dam except for how the budget affected the roster.

You’d never know the difference. It would be players wearing the same uniforms, on the same field with the same team name

Who gives a fuck if the school farmed out its football program to a third party to manage it professionally? They’d still be the Ohio State Buckeyes
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2027 OH DB Tristin Hughes (Kentucky Verbal)

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KYBuck4858 19 hours ago
Per Michigan and Kentucky reporters, OSU is not expected to be much of a factor for in-state S Tristin Hughes.
Most likely reason being is I think we're going to add a portal guy to backfill Little. And then go all-out financially for Barner in '28. Don't want to tie up a lot of capital for other guys at the position.

Jamesgandle 18 hours ago

I saw from on3 a few days ago that he’s most likely staying with Kentucky
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Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

I’ve been beating the drum since this started. Quit acting like it’s still part of The University and treat it for what it really is.

Fans are still crazy passionate about NFL teams. Fandom is handed down through generations and players feel connected to their organizations (to a degree).

It won’t turn into the Charlie Finley Oakland A’s unless you let it.
This in spades..

As fate would have it I grew up a Browns fan. After the Modell fiasco and sale, along with the startup of the new franchise that faded. I still would love to see them come back. It’s in you and it never completely goes away.

Same is true with the Buckeyes.
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