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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

Jaxbuck
billmac91 said:
I think what Indiana and Miami exposed though, is OSU may be more talented in nearly every position group, but all it takes is a defensive line to wreck the efficiency if the offensive line cannot hold up….and once they offensive line cannot hold up consistently, it dramatically effects our freshman QB even when his protection isn’t bad.

In this case, using tempo can help a weakness compared to the other team (our offensive line versus their defensive line), and maximize our talent at positions where we do have the advantage (go tempo so the defense plays a “base” coverage that allows our offense to exploit our advantages more easily).

I think where the argument to play as slow as Day is, fundamentally breaks down, is when we cannot execute because we just aren’t more talented in one facet of the game. I was rolling with it until Indiana made Swiss cheese of our o-line and then Miami basically did the same thing with stunts.

I guess, IMO, I’m not cutting my nose off in spite of my face…..I feel like Day let Indiana and Miami beat us with (1) position group….i guess (2) if you count special teams. But defensive lines wrecked our season. And you can gameplan around elite defensive lines…..we just didn’t for the most part.
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Totally agree on how they did it but that's an execution thing.

I've watched other teams this bowl season adapt to a fierce pass rush through quick, short passes to the TE's, backs and WR's. They didn't go up tempo, they just stopped dropping their QB deep, rolled him out or whatever.

Listen, if you see a specific team is very vulnerable to tempo because you can run the DL ragged then by all means, but that's just a tactical application of tempo, it isn't an overall strategy. You still have to execute.

I think as the all 22 film starts to come out we will see that Saying had many chances to execute and win vs these teams and defenses. It's not like Day doesn't know how to draw up a quick passing game.
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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

Jaxbuck
RuGettinIt said:
You sound like you would be a good CEO. This is the kind of talk that our CEO gives in Company meetings, sans the football.

The ideas and concepts are very much the same. Execution is the key to it all. Well stated.
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It's not a CEO thing, it's years of working to get better at decision making.

I know what the logic failures, cognitive biases and lack of awareness of what the real risks are, what the real bet is feel and sound like because I made them all many times.

I've just made it my business to get better at risk management/decision making and as a result I see the game of football completely different than I did when I was younger.

Football coaches had it right when it was run and stop the run. That as the way to be most efficient. 3yards a a cloud of dust meant you had the ball, he didn't and if you could do that to them instead of them doing that to you, you'll win.

Then they took their eye off what really mattered which was scoring. Empty TOP means almost nothing. This is where I had the heart burn with Martyball/Tresselball types. They were content to manage the game to a state where they had a good defense rested and protecting a 1 score lead. That isn't optimal.

June Jones, Mike Leach type went too far the other way and over emphasized scoring alone.

Urban got it back to a modern understanding when he said the best defense was a 14 point lead. His philosophy was power run, keep the ball moving down the field and defense was built to play with a lead then disrupt. Get his offense the ball back as fast as possible either through chaos or a quick score.

I feel like Day has it as right as you can get it now. Manage the game so that you limit the opponents possessions in relation to yours AND score the most points possible in your possessions. Sounds simple but it's really an important distinction. He's intentionally maximizing his edge in talent and minimizing his exposure to random variance.

There can be no question that is the right overall approach. The results not being what you want doesn't invalidate the approach.
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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

billmac91
Jaxbuck said:
This at least gets to the real issue people are giving all kinds of different labels to.

Execution.

Doesn't matter how fast/slow you go, if you don't execute, you don't get the maximum points per possession you could have. When the other team can punch back more and more this is going to get you into tighter games or beat.

It isn't because of tempo. It isn't because of the number of possessions. It's because you failed to execute and extract enough points in the possessions you did have. If you go faster on purpose (not in scenarios where you have no choice) when you have an execution problem, you are just going to give the ball back to the other team faster.

The constraint of the game of football is 1) the clock and 2) the rules that require an exchange of possessions. If you speed up, you can absolutely get more possessions per game but you are at the same time going to give your opponent more possessions and when you do that you are giving them more opportunities for random variance to express itself.

Ask yourself what is the ideal outcome of every possession? If you could make it happen what would it be?

For me it's score a TD after the longest possible time of possession possible which is theoretically 60 game minutes. Even though that is fantasy, it's true north of how the game actually works. Anything you do that gets away from that, you are going in the wrong direction.

Give me points (ideally a TD) after every possession and each possession take 8-9 minutes and I will end up with 2-3 more possessions than the other guy. THEN, he will be playing from behind in the fewer possessions he has so the last few will be severely constrained (in my favor) and I am going to win every time. When you are the more skilled team, this is the only sensible strategy.

It breaks down when execution breaks down, like anything else.
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I think what Indiana and Miami exposed though, is OSU may be more talented in nearly every position group, but all it takes is a defensive line to wreck the efficiency if the offensive line cannot hold up….and once they offensive line cannot hold up consistently, it dramatically effects our freshman QB even when his protection isn’t bad.

In this case, using tempo can help a weakness compared to the other team (our offensive line versus their defensive line), and maximize our talent at positions where we do have the advantage (go tempo so the defense plays a “base” coverage that allows our offense to exploit our advantages more easily).

I think where the argument to play as slow as Day is, fundamentally breaks down, is when we cannot execute because we just aren’t more talented in one facet of the game. I was rolling with it until Indiana made Swiss cheese of our o-line and then Miami basically did the same thing with stunts.

I guess, IMO, I’m not cutting my nose off in spite of my face…..I feel like Day let Indiana and Miami beat us with (1) position group….i guess (2) if you count special teams. But defensive lines wrecked our season. And you can gameplan around elite defensive lines…..we just didn’t for the most part.
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2026 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, Arrogant Twatwaffles, Emasculated Cucks, Feckless Marmots, Dirty Cheaters "Mid"chigan

Thump
buckeyemania11 said:
None of these guys have any serious experience outside of that Utah/Idaho sphere.

The OC and DC are fine for Utah/BYU. Both looked pedestrian in the 1 or 2 games they had this year against actual good teams. Neither were upgrading jobs either until scUM hired Whittingham and he decided to bring all his buds along.

These are not great moves for a supposed "upper level" program. I think all of these guys are going to have issues adjusting in general and especially to the heightened competition level.
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They better get acquainted with New England and Nova Scotia REALLY quick!
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Look Who's Transferring Now (The Portal)

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billmac91 said:
Lolz…..I mean, I guess it’s smart. Just get a huge bag on the table to start with so you can set the bar with the real players.
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Jim Lachey said on the radio today that he would have entered the portal every year if it were around then to get the most out OSU each year.

Just because one enters the portal does not necessarily mean that they want to leave.

Players have all of the leverage and should use it until guidelines are put in place.
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2026 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, Arrogant Twatwaffles, Emasculated Cucks, Feckless Marmots, Dirty Cheaters "Mid"chigan

buckeyemania11
osuvictory1 said:
Honestly, I think some of their hires seem fine. The big knock on them is not being acquainted for long periods of time with players east of the Mississippi.
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None of these guys have any serious experience outside of that Utah/Idaho sphere.

The OC and DC are fine for Utah/BYU. Both looked pedestrian in the 1 or 2 games they had this year against actual good teams. Neither were upgrading jobs either until scUM hired Whittingham and he decided to bring all his buds along.

These are not great moves for a supposed "upper level" program. I think all of these guys are going to have issues adjusting in general and especially to the heightened competition level.
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2026 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, Arrogant Twatwaffles, Emasculated Cucks, Feckless Marmots, Dirty Cheaters "Mid"chigan

Thump
osuvictory1 said:
I am for OSU getting a staff upgrade in portal evaluation. There are some good players who come in and made a impact, but there are as many complete misses that were below OSU quality and were just cheap.

If Indiana can do it, certainly OSU can as well.
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Just like recruiting.
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2026 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, Arrogant Twatwaffles, Emasculated Cucks, Feckless Marmots, Dirty Cheaters "Mid"chigan

buckeyemania11
osuvictory1 said:
I am for OSU getting a staff upgrade in portal evaluation. There are some good players who come in and made a impact, but there are as many complete misses that were below OSU quality and were just cheap.

If Indiana can do it, certainly OSU can as well.
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You are always gonna take a big chance when it comes to guys like Onianwa who comes from a very small time program. I can't really blame them there he was very covered but he likely ends up a dud regardless to where he went.
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osuvictory1
buckeyemania11 said:
They didn't make any hires that are going to make them very attractive to most higher level portal guys .

They might replace them with some Utah/BYU guys but most of those moves are likely lateral at best.
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Honestly, I think some of their hires seem fine. The big knock on them is not being acquainted for long periods of time with players east of the Mississippi.
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2026 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, Arrogant Twatwaffles, Emasculated Cucks, Feckless Marmots, Dirty Cheaters "Mid"chigan

osuvictory1
I am for OSU getting a staff upgrade in portal evaluation. There are some good players who come in and made a impact, but there are as many complete misses that were below OSU quality and were just cheap.

If Indiana can do it, certainly OSU can as well.
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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

Jaxbuck
Captain Buckeye said:
Hard to execute vs comparable talent. Thats the name of the game in sports. Just because Steph Curry is good at shooting 3s should he just hang onto the ball until the play clock is up and knock it down? Or would you prefer he just take his shots when he has the chance whether than be 2 seconds in our the full 25 second play clock?
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Football isn't basketball so this is nonsense. It's just noise. You keep making hypothetical situations to support your narrative.
Captain Buckeye said:
Similarly, just operate the offense and stop worry about the clock. Sure sometimes it’ll be a 7 minute drive but sometimes a back breaking 1:20 second 4 play drive is vital.
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So scoring is the key. Agreed. If you had a choice, would you take the 8-9 minutes off the clock and score a TD or would you score a TD faster than that?
Captain Buckeye said:
You need to be able to do it all. Need to be able to grind it out and need to be able to go for the jugular quick if need be too. Indiana for example can do either and they’re better for it. They can stomp you out quick like they did a huge number of teams this year or they can play the efficiency game and go win it in the 4th.

Maybe I’m being mistaken here. I’m not saying we go hurry up. I’m saying you need it all because sometimes a team is ready to fail (Oregon last year) and all the game needs is that final gut punch.
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What you are fumbling in the dark for is the concept that Indiana can execute better and take what the defense gives them. So can OSU, we just have to execute better.

You are conflating a result (losses) with the approach (efficiency). The approach is the correct one, it just needs to be executed better.
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buckeyemania11
osuvictory1 said:
Their thing I see is just upgrade in the portal. There are only so many elite top 10 program quality guys out there.
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They didn't make any hires that are going to make them very attractive to most higher level portal guys .

They might replace them with some Utah/BYU guys but most of those moves are likely lateral at best.
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osuvictory1
buckeyemania11 said:
Some of DFBIA with the predictable dumb response to a starter and another starter who was 2nd team all B1G....."Whittingham showed them the writing on the wall"

Yea I'm sure that's what it was.
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Their thing I see is just upgrade in the portal. There are only so many elite top 10 program quality guys out there.
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2026 tOSU Special Teams Discussion

Captain Buckeye
I have to say. I’d think FG and Punter is about as important as it gets.

FG- if you have a guy that’s like Ole Miss’ kicker who’s like 9 of 10 from 50+ yards that’s tough for a defense to know that if they give up 2 first downs they’re giving up points.

P- with our defense could you imagine a team having to start inside the 10 every time? Teams can’t go 30 yards against our defenses let alone 90.

Special teams need to stop being treated like a throw away. An elite FG kicker allows more margins in games and an elite Punter makes it impossible for teams to catch up.
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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

RuGettinIt
Jaxbuck said:
This at least gets to the real issue people are giving all kinds of different labels to.

Execution.

Doesn't matter how fast/slow you go, if you don't execute, you don't get the maximum points per possession you could have. When the other team can punch back more and more this is going to get you into tighter games or beat.

It isn't because of tempo. It isn't because of the number of possessions. It's because you failed to execute and extract enough points in the possessions you did have. If you go faster on purpose (not in scenarios where you have no choice) when you have an execution problem, you are just going to give the ball back to the other team faster.

The constraint of the game of football is 1) the clock and 2) the rules that require an exchange of possessions. If you speed up, you can absolutely get more possessions per game but you are at the same time going to give your opponent more possessions and when you do that you are giving them more opportunities for random variance to express itself.

Ask yourself what is the ideal outcome of every possession? If you could make it happen what would it be?

For me it's score a TD after the longest possible time of possession possible which is theoretically 60 game minutes. Even though that is fantasy, it's true north of how the game actually works. Anything you do that gets away from that, you are going in the wrong direction.

Give me points (ideally a TD) after every possession and each possession take 8-9 minutes and I will end up with 2-3 more possessions than the other guy. THEN, he will be playing from behind in the fewer possessions he has so the last few will be severely constrained (in my favor) and I am going to win every time. When you are the more skilled team, this is the only sensible strategy.

It breaks down when execution breaks down, like anything else.
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You sound like you would be a good CEO. This is the kind of talk that our CEO gives in Company meetings, sans the football.

The ideas and concepts are very much the same. Execution is the key to it all. Well stated.
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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

Captain Buckeye
cmstophe said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but seemed the offense lacked explosion all year. Not what we’re used to. Scoring after 8-9 minute drives is great. It also takes 8-9 minutes of great execution to do so when you can’t hit big plays - that decreases chances of success.

I think by faster people arent just meaning go tempo all game.
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Right. Explosiveness is a big part of it.

That’s my take as well. It takes a lot of efficiency and executing at a high level to go 12 plays in 8 minutes. Especially vs good teams.

Not sure how you fix explosiveness but I’d imagine that’s the calls we make?
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2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

Jaxbuck
cmstophe said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but seemed the offense lacked explosion all year. Not what we’re used to. Scoring after 8-9 minute drives is great. It also takes 8-9 minutes of great execution to do so when you can’t hit big plays - that decreases chances of success.
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Explosives were down this year most likely to the Smith effect and everyone on the schedule playing a 2 deep zone of some sort no matter what else you did to them, a young QB, a mediocre OL and a big step back in the RB room overall.

Again, Day very likely knew his offense and was managing the constraints all along.
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