BuckeyeNation27 said:

2006 vs Florida was the last time I can remember it being allowed for Ohio State to be "the team" without somebody attempting to shit all over us for something. Losing that one by getting absolutely dominated changed something in CFB.

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So around that time, the faintly (or not so faintly) racist chants about "southern speed" and the "spread option" where the total hype by ESPN. Remember, the mindless hyperbole from Frosty brought about a LOT of this - he was a lot more respected back then than he is now. Add in ESPN's war in 2003-2004 against Ohio State and Jim Tressel, along with Frosty saying he wouldn't send his kids to play under Tressel and it was inevitable.

Since the SEC SEC SEC couldn't develop quarterbacks in the traditional sense at the time, the conference bought into the speed narrative and doubled-down on it. The spread. The speed. Everything. They were already whining in 2002 about how their conference schedule was so hard that no one from the SEC would be unblemished in the eyes of the BCS.

Also, at the timeframe this came about (2004-2005), USC wasn't an east coast draw for them and a lot of USC's games would be on late night ESPN or Fox Sports Net starting at 10PM.

Ignoring the fact the B1G network did it first, in 2004, ESPN didn't want to pay higher rights fees for the Big Ten broadcast rights. This forced the Big Ten to look at developing their own network which we know today as the Big Ten Network. However, once Disney bought into the SEC iz duh best hype, the E-SEC-PN network was born in theory if not in name. Their biases were completely uncovered and it became increasingly clear they were favoring the SEC SEC SEC. After that, The Longhorn Network became a thing in 2011 and once Disney was convinced they could build a conference network and it would work (not that LHN did however), the SEC and ACC channels were developed. And, irony of irony, the rights fees they balked at with the Big Ten were be pennies on the dollar today.

2006 vs Florida was the last time I can remember it being allowed for Ohio State to be "the team" without somebody attempting to shit all over us for something. Losing that one by getting absolutely dominated changed something in CFB.

Nutriaitch said:

good opening series Sweep.
yeah it was only Milwaukee, but still nice to come out looking good that first weekend

15-5 Friday night
5-3 Saturday
21-6 Sunday

Brown and Dardar each hit 2 bombs
Yorke and Arrambide each hit one (and Yorke really hit tow, but one was called foul)

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Opening weekend sweeps are always nice

good opening series Sweep.
yeah it was only Milwaukee, but still nice to come out looking good that first weekend

15-5 Friday night
5-3 Saturday
21-6 Sunday

Brown and Dardar each hit 2 bombs
Yorke and Arrambide each hit one (and Yorke really hit tow, but one was called foul)

Thought these were cool when I was little as they were a special treat. I think I will stay away from their return.

I didn't start following CFB as heavily until this century. I wouldn't change anything in the Cooper era since more wins might butterfly effect him into coaching longer and not starting the modern era of Buckeye domination. The Florida loss for the championship comes to mind since it was for a ring. Outside of that I'd love for Stroud to have a pair of gold pants over the cheaters.

‘76 or ‘06 were the most painful by a significant amount for me (my fandom started around ‘75). I would probably pick ‘06 just because it’s more recent.

Great question. I'd have a tough time choosing amongst these:
1995 cheaters
1996 cheaters
2021 cheaters
2022 cheaters
2023 cheaters
2024 cheaters (but this may be the first on the list to get cut)

Others I would consider:
1998 Sparty
2005 Penn State (the Rail)
2016 Clemson
2020 Bama
2022 Georgia
2025 Miami

buckeyemania11 said:

I WANT the program to succeed but from my observation Diebler just isn't very good as a coach. If you aren't gonna pony up big money you need a coach who can coach his ass off and IMO at this moment Diebler has not shown that he is that guy. I understand they probably aren't going to get some big name hire and there are no assurances they will "upgrade" but you at least gotta try. Give him 1 more year but if he doesn't somewhat comfortably get into the tourney next season it's time to move on and try someone else.

No Diebler in the grand scheme is not directly the problem of why the program is swimming in mediocrity, but unless he shows something significantly different next season you 100% move on and try someone else. I just don't see the justification of sticking with a guy who's not getting it done for 4-5-6 years and hoping maybe there's finally a spark. That'll just bury the program further.

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NIL has Diebler at a huge disadvantage compared with teams like UM. If you can't see that and recognize there is something there that is very real and holding him back, you're just being willfully ignorant. I do believe there will be some more funds for next season - it may be they will still be behind top programs by a significant amount, but it should be different from the way they were truly held back by the university last offseason. You want to pin Diebler to a team that OSU hasn't invested competitive resources in, as if its mainly his fault, and it's wrong.

Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux said:

It’s almost the equivalent of making a gumbo and NOT adding tomato to it!

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Considering I’ve never done either, I’ll consider adding both to my todo list in retirement. Not sure if I’ll get to it, but I’ll add em both to the list.

Absolutely love this man’s enthusiasm for how elite is the state of NCAA division 1 tennis.
Last question, If Tucker is right, the doubles point will decide the winner this week.

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Chipped in what I could for now, hopefully I'll be able to give a lot more here soon.

My monthly donation should be set up now. BP is a vestige of the peak of internet forums era. We can't let it die

DZ83CK said:

Did Jake Diebler kill your dog or something? YOU HAVE ZERO PLAN TO MAKE THE PROGRAM BETTER. YOU SAY "FIRE DIEBLER, FIRE DIEBLER, FIRE DIEBLER" and claim there are unnamed better coaches who will take over the program, without ever providing details, without ever providing any inkling of an argument that can be disproven. You have no depth to your arguments, you can't progress beyond attacking Diebler to actually providing anything resembling a real plan for improvement, and you are so pie-in-the-sky about this coaching job that you are delusional. You ignore the reality that FOOTBALL IS KING AT OHIO STATE AND WILL ALWAYS GET FAR MORE RESOURCES THAN BASKETBALL, TOP COACHES KNOW THIS AND WON'T COME TO OHIO STATE BECAUSE OF IT.

You hear what Gus Johnson said in the game yesterday? He pointed out the obvious, OSU is not investing heavily in basketball because they're putting everything they can into football. Everybody realizes this but you. Like it or not, the reality is this program is going to be an afterthought for the foreseeable future, and any hoops coach that OSU has is going to have to deal with the constraints that come with mediocre resources and support. Once again, top coaches WILL NOT come to a program that will only provide mediocre resources and support. It simply will not happen. But hey, keep living in fantasy world acting like Jake Diebler is the real root of the problem, and keep attacking him every hour on the hour as if it does anything more than irritates fans who actually want the program to succeed. Login to view embedded media

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I WANT the program to succeed but from my observation Diebler just isn't very good as a coach. If you aren't gonna pony up big money you need a coach who can coach his ass off and IMO at this moment Diebler has not shown that he is that guy. I understand they probably aren't going to get some big name hire and there are no assurances they will "upgrade" but you at least gotta try. Give him 1 more year but if he doesn't somewhat comfortably get into the tourney next season it's time to move on and try someone else.

No Diebler in the grand scheme is not directly the problem of why the program is swimming in mediocrity, but unless he shows something significantly different next season you 100% move on and try someone else. I just don't see the justification of sticking with a guy who's not getting it done for 4-5-6 years and hoping maybe there's finally a spark. That'll just bury the program further.

Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux said:

When you're 10-15 overall, while being 1-11 in conference, you can't afford to throw your players under the bus.

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Well he obviously couldn't keep the same failed roster, so maybe in hindsight that attack was a last-ditch effort to plead with his boss to keep his job.

bigdog3300 said:

To anyone who watches every game (I also apologize to anyone who does this), what would you say is the identity of the team? I've watched maybe a half dozen games this year but I'm unclear as to what they can hang their hat on when their shots not falling....not good on the boards, not a lights out shooting team, not a defensive stalwart, not bully ball, not 40 minutes of hell press....

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They hang their hat on $ for Ohio State. They're keeping costs low with men's basketball to help keep dozens of non-revenue sports. That's the whole focus of the program.

buckeyemania11 said:

Team has had no identity pretty much dating back to the after Oral Roberts loss part of the Holtmann era. Go figure when you just hand the job to the assistant of the guy you just fired it's a continuation of the same issues.

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Did Jake Diebler kill your dog or something? YOU HAVE ZERO PLAN TO MAKE THE PROGRAM BETTER. YOU SAY "FIRE DIEBLER, FIRE DIEBLER, FIRE DIEBLER" and claim there are unnamed better coaches who will take over the program, without ever providing details, without ever providing any inkling of an argument that can be disproven. You have no depth to your arguments, you can't progress beyond attacking Diebler to actually providing anything resembling a real plan for improvement, and you are so pie-in-the-sky about this coaching job that you are delusional. You ignore the reality that FOOTBALL IS KING AT OHIO STATE AND WILL ALWAYS GET FAR MORE RESOURCES THAN BASKETBALL, TOP COACHES KNOW THIS AND WON'T COME TO OHIO STATE BECAUSE OF IT.

You hear what Gus Johnson said in the game yesterday? He pointed out the obvious, OSU is not investing heavily in basketball because they're putting everything they can into football. Everybody realizes this but you. Like it or not, the reality is this program is going to be an afterthought for the foreseeable future, and any hoops coach that OSU has is going to have to deal with the constraints that come with mediocre resources and support. Once again, top coaches WILL NOT come to a program that will only provide mediocre resources and support. It simply will not happen. But hey, keep living in fantasy world acting like Jake Diebler is the real root of the problem, and keep attacking him every hour on the hour as if it does anything more than irritates fans who actually want the program to succeed. Login to view embedded media

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When you're 10-15 overall, while being 1-11 in conference, you can't afford to throw your players under the bus.

Jaxbuck said:

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Let me just put this out there. The Canadian curling cheaters. Who else cheats? Who is close to Canada? Draw your own conclusions.

1969 TCUN for me.