I have to admit, other than that return against UCLA, he never really played like he had that kind of speed, that typically stands out. Never thought he was slow or anything but 4.28?? Sheesh, kid made himself some coin today.

Also the genetics in that family. Good lord.

Tanner said:

No idea why he wasn't the main guy on kick and punt returns

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Trust the coaches.

Nah there's no question they are still playing hard but at times they go 100 miles a hour in the wrong direction so to speak. OSU, especially basketball, needs a effective sports psychologist.

dragurd said:

First trick play they ran he looked slow but the guys kept saying he was one of the fastest guys on the team. Clearly he was

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He was sure fast on the one he housed against UCLA.

No Harden. No Mitchell.

Second verse, same as the first. Cleveland man

Jesus wept. Even women's softball is infected!

First trick play they ran he looked slow but the guys kept saying he was one of the fastest guys on the team. Clearly he was

No idea why he wasn't the main guy on kick and punt returns

Mike80 said:

nah just blame the coaching - it's far easier for lazy takes to flourish that way.....

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Both things can be true. The coaching can be not good along with NIL not being good either. It's equally lazy to just excuse everything else because of NIL.

When it comes to Diebler so far, he's a coach with no figured-out identity of his own and it really shows with the team. The offense is usually just a mess of 5 guys trying to play 1 on 1 ball. which really only works if you have a absolutely loaded roster. Defensively the individual talent is not good but there is just no direction and cohesion as a unit, you can make up some for individual faults if you have a good plan in place, but we do not have that, the result is guys looking like they are lost a lot of the time and giving up the comical amount of wide open looks that we do. These are things that good coaches can somewhat mend with a good system and plan, now no coach is taking this team to the sweet 16 or beyond, but I don't think you let bad coaching off the hook just because Diebler doesn't have a highly funded roster. YES, NIL needs to get better. But the actual coaching by Diebler needs to wildly improve next season as well.

I don't think they have quit. The home game against scUM was a similarly bad performance, but they bounced back and beat USC in the next game.

DZ83CK said:

Agreed. This team looks really bad in some games because a couple times every year certain teams like Iowa the other night manage to basically stop the offense in its tracks & get them off their gameplan. It's happened in past years against Northwestern, too. Tilly not being able to go does impact the offense, he's a big who can pass and handle the ball, and obviously he has a bigger skillset than Ivan. The fact that Ivan was starting this game is a wake-up call for anyone who thinks OSU is investing in a competitive roster.

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nah just blame the coaching - it's far easier for lazy takes to flourish that way.....

God, I hope we can shut down the fucking hype train early.

Mike80 said:

That's ridiculous. No one has quit on this team.

They looked undermanned and a little out of gas to me. We know the roster limitations they have, so having people out is a killer. And let's not forget, which you all seem to be doing, that Iowa is one of the better defensive teams in the entire nation - so having limitations on offense is a large hill to climb over as well. None of that equates to a team that Diebler has "lost" or quit....that's wishful thinking from those who want Deibler to fail.

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Agreed. This team looks really bad in some games because a couple times every year certain teams like Iowa the other night manage to basically stop the offense in its tracks & get them off their gameplan. It's happened in past years against Northwestern, too. Tilly not being able to go does impact the offense, he's a big who can pass and handle the ball, and obviously he has a bigger skillset than Ivan. The fact that Ivan was starting this game is a wake-up call for anyone who thinks OSU is investing in a competitive roster.