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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

RuGettinIt
heisman said:
But that’s the reported infighting at the Woody. LJ doesn’t like Knowles’ 4-2 scheme. In a traditional 4-3, the OLB can set the edge. In a 4-2, the DE has to set the edge. You can’t really turn the DE’s loose if setting the edge is their primary responsibility.
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Have heard this before and that’s really on Day for handcuffing Knowles if true.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

DubCoffman62
sparcboxbuck said:
I know, that’s why I’m going to file that under crazy ass shit. It was an opportunity that we missed out on that, had it just gone for a FG, would have been a difference maker.

Also why I consider It to be a team loss. Far too many examples of “just one thing” being different and we’d have a different outcome. That’s notwithstanding the instances that Oregon had that were similar… but it certainly felt like we had more than our fair share of those things.
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There were a lot of little things but in the end they were right there with an opportunity tin win on the road against the #3 team in the country.They simply SCed it
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*2024 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

NFBuck
osubartender23 said:
But do they? So many of their fans still believe that the cheating had little to do with them winning. They also believe that Harbaughs a god and that no one is more important to their success than him. All you have to do is read their message boards to see this. They have their heads buried so far in the sand that is comical.
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They know. They're just choosing to willfully ignore it because - 1) it diminishes the only 3 seasons worth a dam they've had in a quarter century, and 2) they know that their world is about to come crumbling down around them because of it. If they don't talk about it, it ain't there.

This isn't just one or two guys or a faction of their fanbase, it's EVERYONE. They simply do not acknowledge it. Part of it I'm sure is because anytime one of them starts to turn self aware and brings it up, the MoE quickly zaps the offending post
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

ORD_Buckeye said:
For all the gnashing of teeth over Knowles, if there's one defensive coach that should be on the hot seat, it's LJ. Neither Sawyer nor JTT bothered to show up last night. In fact, both have historically been completely hot and cold from one week to the next. Overall last night for the team: 0 sacks and only 2 TFL. Maybe LJ really was this DL savant or maybe he just recruited three generational talents in a row in the Bosa Brothers and Young.

And that doesn't even factor in the rumors that he refuses to play nice with the person who's supposed to be his boss.
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I feel like if you don't have generational talent on the d-line, you have to scheme more to open up the pass rush. You can coach individuals up but at the end of the day opposing teams are going to figure out how to protect their QB with the O-line and RBs/TEs especially if you aren't going to confuse them with who you are sending.

Missed assignments help to create a pass rush. If you refuse to make the O-line communicate and question who is coming then they can settle in and just keep doing the same assignment play after play.

Beating your guy is only part of the equation with pass rush. Its alot easier to beat your guy when they get concern about another guy or if the guy next to them is going to make the right decision to help or not.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

ORD_Buckeye
heisman said:
But that’s the reported infighting at the Woody. LJ doesn’t like Knowles’ 4-2 scheme. In a traditional 4-3, the OLB can set the edge. In a 4-2, the DE has to set the edge. You can’t really turn the DE’s loose if setting the edge is their primary responsibility.
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Interesting. I didn't understand that. Thanks.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

RuGettinIt

RB07OSU said:
There is some saying about talk being cheap and I think it applies here. I want the confidence but if there is no execution, then it is simply talk.
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I quit paying attention to the noise from the coaches during spring practice and fall camp. Day always says cute little shit ahead of big games. Walk the talk for once.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

heisman
ORD_Buckeye said:
For all the gnashing of teeth over Knowles, if there's one defensive coach that should be on the hot seat, it's LJ. Neither Sawyer nor JTT bothered to show up last night. In fact, both have historically been completely hot and cold from one week to the next. Overall last night for the team: 0 sacks and only 2 TFL. Maybe LJ really was this DL savant or maybe he just recruited three generational talents in a row in the Bosa Brothers and Young.

And that doesn't even factor in the rumors that he refuses to play nice with the person who's supposed to be his boss.
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But that’s the reported infighting at the Woody. LJ doesn’t like Knowles’ 4-2 scheme. In a traditional 4-3, the OLB can set the edge. In a 4-2, the DE has to set the edge. You can’t really turn the DE’s loose if setting the edge is their primary responsibility.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

RuGettinIt
AKAK said:
I'm not going to rehash most of the many shortcomings you guys have already pointed out.

I will say, I think for both the players and coaches, I think this is the best possible time for the bye week.

It was just a sloppy game with shitty adjustments and they were from all the usual reasons, poor in game coaching, lack of discipline and the environment in the stadium (and the shit OPI)

But, we can't have dumb penalties (which had not been a problem), lose turnovers, manage the clock like ass and win against good teams on the road (and look, the missed kicks were not as big as that shank turned onside kick, I don't personally think Oregon deserves all that much credit and I think Lanning is a tool.)

Everyone part of the program needs to execute better, all 3 units, all the coaches, everyone. The defense needs to decide if its going to limit big plays or get the football. The offense needs to figure out how its going to account for the defense being able to dictate pressure because they're not scared of the deep ball. But mostly we need to build confidence based on sound execution and leadership.

We're going to have a pretty good idea on Nov 2 if we applied the lessons learned here or not. I realize everyone wants to get back after it but I think a week of camp can help.
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What’s disappointing about what you have accurately described here is the fact that our OC and DC are some of the most experienced coaches in CFB, as is LJ. And Day’s not inexperienced either.

To listen to these coaches say we have to do better, coach better, etc. after a loss is just such a WTF comment. I really wonder if they don’t know how to adjust in game, with the experience they have, what are they really going to do to change anything.
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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

Buckeyefrankmp
Mike80 said:
If Howard throws the out it's a 47-49 yarder instead. Much more makeable.
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If the DBs know that there is only 6 seconds left then they can play very tight knowing that the ball has to be thrown almost when Will Howard get the ball from the center. I don't think that throw would have worked. Best plan would have been to call the timeout and scheme up a hail mary type of play if you don't think your kicker can make the field goal. There were no good options with 6 seconds left.
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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

ORD_Buckeye
RB07OSU said:
I agree with everything here except trying a 55 yard FG, Fielding can't hit from that distance so you might as well just throw a Hail Mary really. But all of the other points you brought up led to that scenario and were absolutely fucking mind numbing. I highlighted your second point - he had to rely on the pass to get that spot in the field, but then you run the ball, spike it, and have a very easy kick.

At that stage of the game, take what it does to just simply win and get out, not go for the jugular airing it out with a QB that was up and down all night. Run it with either Trey and Quin, and even if you get no yards you still have a great shot at game-winning FG. Ryan Day outthinking himself despite the absurd amount of resources he has is a recurring theme that I am pretty much done with unless he wins out and makes a run at the Natty. It is a fair point to say "well who would be better", but Day is just not cutting it in games that matter.
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Howard threw for over 300 yards with 2 TD and no interceptions, and he got the ball into JJ and Egbuka's hands regularly (combined for just under 200 yds with 2TD). His QB rating last night was higher than Gabriel's. I can see Trey, but Quin had a horrible game last night and averaged 1.9 yards a carry. I love the kid so far this year, but last night Oregon had his number, and he wasn't the solution to anything.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

ORD_Buckeye
For all the gnashing of teeth over Knowles, if there's one defensive coach that should be on the hot seat, it's LJ. Neither Sawyer nor JTT bothered to show up last night. In fact, both have historically been completely hot and cold from one week to the next. Overall last night for the team: 0 sacks and only 2 TFL. Maybe LJ really was this DL savant or maybe he just recruited three generational talents in a row in the Bosa Brothers and Young.

And that doesn't even factor in the rumors that he refuses to play nice with the person who's supposed to be his boss.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

sparcboxbuck
Herb Kirkstreit said:
Was there an explanation for why our bye week was so early? Before we played any legitimate teams?
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Had to do with UW joining the B1G. They were supposed to be the big out of conference game this year with a home and home. When they joined they cancelled the home and home to accommodate the B1G schedules going forward.
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LGHL Hangout in the Holy Land: Ohio State falls short in yet another big game

Hangout in the Holy Land: Ohio State falls short in yet another big game
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The Buckeyes fell to Oregon 32-31, and we are asking the simple question: What needs to change?

The latest episode of Land-Grant Holy Land’s flagship podcast is here! Join LGHL’s Josh Dooley and Justin Golba as they discuss Ohio State football, basketball, recruiting, and much more! Come for the hot takes. Stay for the warm ones.


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We are back for another recap episode of Hangout in the Holy Land, and now we have the first loss of the season to discuss. The Buckeyes fall to Oregon 32-31, and the masses are calling for jobs. Is that justified or an overreaction?

The defense struggles to limit the big play, Ohio State shoots themselves in the foot multiple times, and Will Howard slides down one second too late as the Buckeyes come up just short in Eugene, Oregon.

Now, the question becomes: How will the Buckeyes respond? We break down the game, what went wrong, what went right, and how the Buckeyes can move forward with a 12-team playoff and a rematch against Oregon down the road a possibility.

Make sure to like and subscribe to the podcast. As always, Go Bucks!


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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

BUCK3YE5
NFBuck said:
I've been saying for a while now that all of the changes in CFB have sapped much of my passion for the sport. One of the bonus side effects is that I don't feel the lows anymore. Five years ago, would've woke up stewing about that game. Today...eh. Disappointed, but not feeling much. I suppose maybe the highs won't be as thrilling either, but we will see
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For me, its kinda just shifted the lows.

Losing this game sucked, for sure. But thats not really what's bothering me. It's looking at the things that happened yesterday, and what it means moving forward for the outlook of this team, that is bothering me.

More forward looking instead of lamenting a loss. Which in that sense is a good thing I suppose that our season isn't over already. But it's definitely a different feeling.
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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

RB07OSU
BUCK3YE5 said:
He crumbles in the biggest moments of the biggest games. It keeps happening and he doesn't seem to be learning or applying the lessons correctly.

Just the end of this game alone:

-Didn't call timeouts before the 2 minute warning, literally just throwing away time
-Never runs the ball after getting to the 28 yard line with 40+ seconds left and a timeout
-Didn't know the clock would continue running after a penalty
-Didn't call a timeout to stop the clock from running after the penalty
-Decided to run another play with 6 seconds left instead of attempting a 55 yard FG
-Ended the game with a timeout in his pocket

I mean, holy fucking shit. This is pretty basic level stuff and he fucked up on every single one of these decisions.

I want to remain optimistic but this is year 6 and this shit is still happening. At this point, my faith in Day is now directly tied to how this team performs the rest of this season. If he doesn't win out from here (and make a deep playoff run) and/or win the National Championship, he's dead to me.
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I agree with everything here except trying a 55 yard FG, Fielding can't hit from that distance so you might as well just throw a Hail Mary really. But all of the other points you brought up led to that scenario and were absolutely fucking mind numbing. I highlighted your second point - he had to rely on the pass to get that spot in the field, but then you run the ball, spike it, and have a very easy kick.

At that stage of the game, take what it does to just simply win and get out, not go for the jugular airing it out with a QB that was up and down all night. Run it with either Trey and Quin, and even if you get no yards you still have a great shot at game-winning FG. Ryan Day outthinking himself despite the absurd amount of resources he has is a recurring theme that I am pretty much done with unless he wins out and makes a run at the Natty. It is a fair point to say "well who would be better", but Day is just not cutting it in games that matter.
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