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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

Thump
Buckeneye said:
Watched more of the game.

Defense

Dillion Gabriel has an ugly throwing motion and his arm tops out pretty soon when driving the ball downfield. Combine that with the exaggerated windup, I'm shocked Knowles didn't send more pressures early. On that first bomb over Denzel, he had no business biting on that stutter. Looks like quarters to that side? Either way, Burke has underneath help expanding to the numbers from Hancock and nothing over top. That's just losing your head and not understanding where your help is at. If the receiver breaks this short and back down the stem, it has to be an incredibly placed ball from the farside hash to beat your coverage. Need to have better situational awareness and play more heads up.

The 3rd and 9 Bomb 2 for the TD - it was a 3 man rush, with your entire line dropping into their zones underneath. Man on the perimeter.
What's hilarious about this call, Ducks ran a switch to the boundary and got Downs on one of their receivers who was beat vertical as well. The point man in the stack to the trio side wasn't bumped or jammed before being turned over. He was given a free release against corners who are coached to play heavy at the chains and, reminding me of something coach Patterson at TCU said "Don't go until you know". So as long as the pass pro holds up, you're putting your corners in a hell of a bind. That's great coaching, recon and play calling from Oregon knowing our defensive tendency in those situations (heavy chains on 3rd)

NO idea what that call was on 2nd and 5 late. Bad communication between Ransom and Downs for a big conversion.


Our linebackers struggle in space, getting depth and anticipating route combos while minimizing the grey area in their zone calls. I feel like there's a lot of false steps in their work. The opposite of what I grew up watching with Hawk & Carp. They also don't key to attack the run fit as quickly as I'd like at times. So when they are late, I feel like they try to make up for it by being overly aggressive and getting burned the next time.

Our IDL play drew some ire from me last night. Ty at the shade, and how he plays at times really hurts the defense as a whole. I doubt he's being coached to read frontside pull from the center, shoot it, get down blocked and allow the center a free release onto the linebackers. Because it happened a couple times for chunk runs last night. In gap and power, you've got to fight past it or through it depending on what you read in front of you.

Our edges are good, not great. Like I said previously, they lake elite quick twitch off the corner. So to compensate, in passing downs/distances, they really scream upfield trying to bend and man do they open some clear running lanes that scramblers are going to exploit later this season if they don't clean that up ASAFP. JT and Sawyer aren't 1st round picks at the moment.

Not to beat a dead horse, but Ransom is a slow processor. He's slow in fit to cover, he's slow coming from depth, takes bad angles, questionable in space and a liability tackling and picking up coverage from back on a hash. As a DB, it's painful to watch. I know @RB07OSU played DB as well, and unless I'm high, I know he's seeing similar things. That TD run by Dillon is just the best example. Great safety play is like having 12 men on the field. Bad safety play is like having 10.

Oregon was only 6/14 (ouch, area code) on 3rd down. But 3 of those 3rd downs came against 3 man pressures, 1 for a bomb that setup a TD and the other for a big TD through the air. We call that a trend.


Offense.

Why did we go away from those weakside gap calls to Hendo? He was popping them early. Oregon's IDL was incredibly aggressive getting upfield. You can't pull your way out of that. The response from the coaching staff was correct and Hend broke off two back to back for big gains, then we punched it in 2 plays later. The Ducks had no answer even when they played the correct numbers game.

The late call against Smith was garbage. DB initiated contact, and Smith gave it back. He's just a freak freshman with incredible strength going against a DB much smaller than him. Refs should have swallowed that whistle.

Howard was decisive and on point early. The fumble and special teams travesty weren't his fault. This offense was on pace for another 10 points at minimum. He did great outside of play structure and creating opportunities - the TD to Smith putting the Bucks up 28-22 is one such example. He did get flustered later. On that fall down sack, he had Hendo wide open on the swing had his eyes gotten to the right spot. He actually missed him twice on that same drive trying to drive the ball to Smith. Jeremiah is a weapon, but you don't always have to force the 1on1 in these situations and lock in. Take the gift of given yards. This is going to come back to haunt him.


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WAY too many attempts at vertical shots when the Bucks hit the 30 yard line with 35 seconds and one timeout left. You could have called in two plays, high(er) percentage throws. Hell, you could have gone back to the the QB centric running game and ground a few yards out on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down. I can't help but to call into question some of the play design and what is being fed to the QB when you're almost in winning field goal range.




This defense won't get it done. Not through the meat of the B1G schedule and certainly not against those fucks up North. The tendencies are too much on film now. The biggest being how you can drive the ball downfield and outside if you have the pass pro because the corners are so aggressive at the chains on 3rd down. That has been a routine issue since 2022.

The offense was good early and got no help from the other side of the ball. Then, when they had the chance to win the game they got tight and sloppy.


Like I said above - consistency. If you aren't consistent, you aren't great. Oregon is a good team, but this is a game the Bucks had little business losing had they simply taken care of the football on offense and been more, shall I say 'patient' on defense'.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

Buckeneye
Watched more of the game.

Defense

Dillion Gabriel has an ugly throwing motion and his arm tops out pretty soon when driving the ball downfield. Combine that with the exaggerated windup, I'm shocked Knowles didn't send more pressures early. On that first bomb over Denzel, he had no business biting on that stutter. Looks like quarters to that side? Either way, Burke has underneath help expanding to the numbers from Hancock and nothing over top. That's just losing your head and not understanding where your help is at. If the receiver breaks this short and back down the stem, it has to be an incredibly placed ball from the farside hash to beat your coverage. Need to have better situational awareness and play more heads up.

The 3rd and 9 Bomb 2 for the TD - it was a 3 man rush, with your entire line dropping into their zones underneath. Man on the perimeter.
What's hilarious about this call, Ducks ran a switch to the boundary and got Downs on one of their receivers who was beat vertical as well. The point man in the stack to the trio side wasn't bumped or jammed before being turned over. He was given a free release against corners who are coached to play heavy at the chains and, reminding me of something coach Patterson at TCU said "Don't go until you know". So as long as the pass pro holds up, you're putting your corners in a hell of a bind. That's great coaching, recon and play calling from Oregon knowing our defensive tendency in those situations (heavy chains on 3rd)

NO idea what that call was on 2nd and 5 late. Bad communication between Ransom and Downs for a big conversion.


Our linebackers struggle in space, getting depth and anticipating route combos while minimizing the grey area in their zone calls. I feel like there's a lot of false steps in their work. The opposite of what I grew up watching with Hawk & Carp. They also don't key to attack the run fit as quickly as I'd like at times. So when they are late, I feel like they try to make up for it by being overly aggressive and getting burned the next time.

Our IDL play drew some ire from me last night. Ty at the shade, and how he plays at times really hurts the defense as a whole. I doubt he's being coached to read frontside pull from the center, shoot it, get down blocked and allow the center a free release onto the linebackers. Because it happened a couple times for chunk runs last night. In gap and power, you've got to fight past it or through it depending on what you read in front of you.

Our edges are good, not great. Like I said previously, they lake elite quick twitch off the corner. So to compensate, in passing downs/distances, they really scream upfield trying to bend and man do they open some clear running lanes that scramblers are going to exploit later this season if they don't clean that up ASAFP. JT and Sawyer aren't 1st round picks at the moment.

Not to beat a dead horse, but Ransom is a slow processor. He's slow in fit to cover, he's slow coming from depth, takes bad angles, questionable in space and a liability tackling and picking up coverage from back on a hash. As a DB, it's painful to watch. I know @RB07OSU played DB as well, and unless I'm high, I know he's seeing similar things. That TD run by Dillon is just the best example. Great safety play is like having 12 men on the field. Bad safety play is like having 10.

Oregon was only 6/14 (ouch, area code) on 3rd down. But 3 of those 3rd downs came against 3 man pressures, 1 for a bomb that setup a TD and the other for a big TD through the air. We call that a trend.


Offense.

Why did we go away from those weakside gap calls to Hendo? He was popping them early. Oregon's IDL was incredibly aggressive getting upfield. You can't pull your way out of that. The response from the coaching staff was correct and Hend broke off two back to back for big gains, then we punched it in 2 plays later. The Ducks had no answer even when they played the correct numbers game.

The late call against Smith was garbage. DB initiated contact, and Smith gave it back. He's just a freak freshman with incredible strength going against a DB much smaller than him. Refs should have swallowed that whistle.

Howard was decisive and on point early. The fumble and special teams travesty weren't his fault. This offense was on pace for another 10 points at minimum. He did great outside of play structure and creating opportunities - the TD to Smith putting the Bucks up 28-22 is one such example. He did get flustered later. On that fall down sack, he had Hendo wide open on the swing had his eyes gotten to the right spot. He actually missed him twice on that same drive trying to drive the ball to Smith. Jeremiah is a weapon, but you don't always have to force the 1on1 in these situations and lock in. Take the gift of given yards. This is going to come back to haunt him.


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Coach Day.

WAY too many attempts at vertical shots when the Bucks hit the 30 yard line with 35 seconds and one timeout left. You could have called in two plays, high(er) percentage throws. Hell, you could have gone back to the the QB centric running game and ground a few yards out on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down. I can't help but to call into question some of the play design and what is being fed to the QB when you're almost in winning field goal range.




This defense won't get it done. Not through the meat of the B1G schedule and certainly not against those fucks up North. The tendencies are too much on film now. The biggest being how you can drive the ball downfield and outside if you have the pass pro because the corners are so aggressive at the chains on 3rd down. That has been a routine issue since 2022.

The offense was good early and got no help from the other side of the ball. Then, when they had the chance to win the game they got tight and sloppy.


Like I said above - consistency. If you aren't consistent, you aren't great. Oregon is a good team, but this is a game the Bucks had little business losing had they simply taken care of the football on offense and been more, shall I say 'patient' on defense'.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

brodybuck21
NFBuck said:
I've been saying for a while now that all of the changes in CFB have sapped much of my passion for the sport. One of the bonus side effects is that I don't feel the lows anymore. Five years ago, would've woke up stewing about that game. Today...eh. Disappointed, but not feeling much. I suppose maybe the highs won't be as thrilling either, but we will see
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CFB is now the NFL lite. I'm a Packers fan and their last SB season (2010) they had 7 losses. Def a different outlook now after a big time loss
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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

LordJeffBuck
ShowMeBuck said:
I want to see some flaming hot questions from the press. I want to see how he responds.

“Coach, you are now 1-7 against top 5 teams. If you were the AD would you fire a coach like that?”

“Coach, please explain how you finish the game with an unused time out left. That seems like awful game management which is your responsibility, correct?”

“Coach, with such a stacked roster how do you explain comments like ‘we hope to be close in the 4th quarter’ when you would never hear Saban, Meyer or even Kirby talk like that? Do you think the teams soft mentality may be from that soft attitude of yours?”

I want flames.
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I'll give it a shot....

"I was saving the final time out to set up a field goal, but my fifth-year quarterback decided to go off script, scrambled around when his only legitimate option was to throw a pass, and burned the final six seconds off the clock."

"We were playing a night game in a hostile environment three time zones away against the #3 team in the country with an equally stacked roster, including the possible Heisman Trophy winner. And we lost by one point, thanks in part to my fifth-year quarterback's questionable decisions on the last play of the game (see above)."

"As far as the first question, right back at you: My overall record is 61-9, I don't lose by 30 points to unranked teams, and the main reason I'm even playing top-5 competition is because my teams have made the playoffs three times in five years. I recruit at the highest level, I send many players to the NFL (which makes them lots and lots of money), I've helped increase the value of the Ohio State brand to $2 billion (which makes the school lots and lots of money), and unlike most of my predecessors I run a scandal-free program. And don't even get me started on replay officials and advanced scouting...."

Some people need to get some perspective: Yes, Ohio State is a blue blood program, but the Buckeyes have only six major national championships in 133 seasons of playing football (1942; 1954; 1957; 1968; 2002; 2014). The standard at Ohio State shouldn't be "National Championship of Bust!" Ryan Day may never win a national championship at Ohio State, but beware of firing a top-5 head coach, especially when you have few (if any) better choices.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

billmac91
RB07OSU said:
There is some saying about talk being cheap and I think it applies here. I want the confidence but if there is no execution, then it is simply talk.
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I’d argue he lacked confidence in a major way last night. Prior to the game on the field he told the sideline reporter “this is a game we want to get to the 4th quarter and we feel we’re prepared to win from there”.

I’m still seething over that stupid statement. OSU had the potential to win by 3+ TD’s if it executed well. He has the most talented roster in college football.

You don’t talk that way if you expect your team to be elite….its kinda mind blowing to me and almost disqualifying as a HC of OSU. That was the opposite of confidence IMO.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

desert_buckeye said:
I'm still baffled that the official did not announce that the clock would start on his signal after the OPI. I have never seen them run the clock after a penalty without announcing, especially at that point in the game. Bucks lost some very valuable time there that probably decided the final score.
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Not only that but I need that rule explained to me cause the clock was stopped before the play so why would it run on the snap after the penalty?
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

BUCK3YE5
Buck I in Mich said:
All Fair points. That pass to Smith was supposed to be safe and effective (7 yard single coverage sideline route to your best receiver). I’m not arguing the refs call, but you certainly don’t factor OPI as a risk when calling that play.
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Maybe not OPI but what about holding on the OL? Or a sack?

There is just a lot more that can go wrong when throwing the ball.

And thats not to suggest we should operate in fear, but these things need to be considered when making decisions. Risk/Reward factor.
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What kind of car do you drive?

AKAK
sparcboxbuck said:
Interesting that BMW would source subpar parts. :/

I wonder if there is a difference in those things between the Ms and the regular BMWs. That, and the extra HP are what always sold me on the S4 and S6 over the A variants.
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Looks like you can get a sport suspension on the A's and the S's just come with it.

Now, due to the utility of the vehicle I also put up with Ford's BS. My truck has the fx4 package, and the best part of that is the floor mats. It has upgraded shocks, I don't for a second think that means better constructed. No to be fair, I was the second owner if this BMW and it was originally was sold in Hawaii. If that shock never saw road salt I would probably be fine.
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What kind of car do you drive?

AKAK
Now ..

NGL I did try to buy one of these a couple times (well at least once) dude selling it just wouldn't get where I needed to be on the number (I was 22 or 23 and you have the $ you have)


Worked out though. Couple weeks later I ran across a ln 88 scirocco 2. I think it was $2100.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

desert_buckeye
TampaBuckeyes said:
I’m actually OK with the loss. We were 1 questionable OPI call away from winning, and very well could have won the game. It was pretty evenly matched in a game where a lot went wrong for us. They played with their hair on fire in their home stadium, but it was clear that overall we had the better players. They just made more plays than us.

I almost prefer the loss than if they had made a walk off field goal. The loss stings more and makes them want it more and it gives them something to rally behind. We will likely see them again on a neutral field and I like our chances. There is a lot on tape for them to look at and improve on, and I think they can in most cases. The line play in general is my biggest worry, but it’s not so bad that we can’t still win out as is. Winning the game would have masked some of the issues, not solved them.

It’s not about winning in October, it’s about winning in December and January, and I think the L here gets them closer to that goal than a W would have.
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I'm still baffled that the official did not announce that the clock would start on his signal after the OPI. I have never seen them run the clock after a penalty without announcing, especially at that point in the game. Bucks lost some very valuable time there that probably decided the final score.
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Alabama Crimson Tide (official thread of Football, Fake Championships and Banjo)

Nutriaitch
Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux said:
I remember that year he beat Bama once.

He also crapped the bed against a terrible Jimbo led Aggy team that year.

Maybe we should print cups for BK saying that "He beat Bama by 1 point at home once!!!"
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didn’t say print the cups. but not surprised that’s our resident Aggy fan’s response.

said if he could beat that Bama team with Saban, he can beat this Bama team with DeBoer.

look, were not a championship level team yet. But every game on our schedule the rest of the way is definitely winnable with this team.
Nuss just played the absolute worst game of his career and we still won.
We get the Nuss we’ve had every other game and this defense keeps improving like they are, were going to have a really good year.
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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

1926Buckeyes
ORD_Buckeye said:
Howard threw for over 300 yards with 2 TD and no interceptions, and he got the ball into JJ and Egbuka's hands regularly (combined for just under 200 yds with 2TD). His QB rating last night was higher than Gabriel's. I can see Trey, but Quin had a horrible game last night and averaged 1.9 yards a carry. I love the kid so far this year, but last night Oregon had his number, and he wasn't the solution to anything.
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I think Q had whatever rumored hand injury leading up to this game, and after the fumble they seemed hesitant to put him in on anything other than passing or short yardage to gain a few and fall forward. I thought he'd have a big game and didn't seem himself.

The final drive was great up until the OPI. I liked the pass to Smith on the last drive, as with Simmons done they were less likely to pick up a decent amount of yards with a run and still have to burn a timeout. Refs could just as easily called holding on a run. It was an unlucky penalty due to a weak DB getting bodied when he tried to jam. He sold it and it just didn't go OSU's way. Day or someone in Day's ear needs to know the clock rules, but it seems odd that the refs would spot the ball and immediately run the clock without notifying both teams. Especially at the end of the game. Once there was 6 seconds to go, you're asking for a miracle. They're not hitting a 55 yarder, and as soon as Howard hesitated to throw the quick out, it was over.

The main thing that concerns me is the defensive staff possibly not being on the same page. You can't win like that and heads need to roll if they're not willing to put their egos aside and work with each other.

I'm a big fan of Day. I really want to see him succeed because, well, it means OSU succeeds. I also think he's a good blend of Tressel and Meyer. Even keeled and less likely to burn out than Meyer, but more aggressive and a better recruiter than Tressel. I still see that, but time is running out for him to deliver. No one is going to believe he can get it done until he does. The only frustrating part in all this are fans continuing to talk out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to Michigan. When OSU wins, they're dirtbag cheaters who pulled off one of the biggest cheating scams in college history. Obviously that's true. But when OSU losses, Day is John Cooper and either Michigan didn't cheat or Day was supposed to overcome 3 years of cheating anyway and beat them. Because like it or not, without that cheating, Day is close to what Urban Meyer was here.

Can't blame anyone who is frustrated and tired of the almosts and wants a fresh start. If you can't figure out a way to win with this combination of talent and experience, it feels like he never will. At this point I'm close to wanting a fresh start just so I can enjoy talking about the games and my favorite team again, and not have everything boil down to whether the coach is a choker, soft, etc.

Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux said:
This is way easier said than done.

Some people who overachieve at places do so due to having less pressure.

There are countless stories of someone doing well at a mid-major or lower P5 who didn't work out at a higher profile job.

At the end of the day, if the person you replace Day with doesn't win a title, it's a bust of a hire.
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@Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux sums up my opinion on replacing him perfectly. If you replace him with anyone other than a coach who wins 1 or more titles in 5 years, it's a failure. The odds of immediately finding another coach who wins the games he does, PLUS at least 50% of the ones he doesn't, is close to zero. It's a really tough spot being caught between some success, but not enough.

As for finding the guy that does less with more, Florida hired coaches who succeeded at CSU and Lafayette, and they fell flat on their faces. Fans were clamoring for Peterson to replace Tressel after the terrible post season runs of 06-08, and when he finally went to Washington he went 55-26, won a few conference titles, 0 top tier bowl games and retired.

If Day keeps failing in these big games, patience will run out and he'll be fired. It'll take care of itself. But I really hope he can find a way to get over the hump because I don't trust this AD to hire a moving target in the dark.
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Game Thread #2 tOSU at #3 Oregon, Sat. Oct. 12, 7:30 pm ET, NBC

BUCK3YE5 said:
I mean, we had 40 seconds still. You can run, no huddle, run again, then call a timeout. With two running plays you would certainly hope you could get some extra yards and make the FG under 40 yards.

It truly blows my mind that we did not do this. As soon as I saw Egbuka run out at the 28 and saw how much time was remaining, this was really a no brainer to me. Hell, just run the JT Barrett play with Will Howard a couple times, you're going to get at least a few yards each time.

Add this to the list with 2022 Georgia and 2019 Clemson as games we absolutely never should have lost under any circumstance but did thanks in part to some horrifically bad coaching decisions.

I'm so damn sick of losing games like this that we have no business losing. Those 3 games should have been wins 100 out of 100 times. Two of them cost us National Championship Game appearances, with one of them being a certain victory. The stakes weren't nearly as high for this one but one more slip up and it costs us a Big Ten Championship Game appearance. Two more slip ups and it costs us a Playoff appearance.
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All Fair points. That pass to Smith was supposed to be safe and effective (7 yard single coverage sideline route to your best receiver). I’m not arguing the refs call, but you certainly don’t factor OPI as a risk when calling that play.
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