If they aren't 18 yet, can they even enter into a contract (or is that parent/guardian thing)?

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Jumping in pools and push-up contests is part of the Oregon recruiting strategy

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Scoff if you want, but coaches not taking themselves too seriously probably helps recruiting.

GeorgiaBuck2 said:

Dude will never win a title lmao.

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If he doesn't win it all by 2027 then he may have the hottest seat in all of sports. Because Uncle Phil is doing everything in his might to get Lanning all of the talent in the world.

buckeyemania11 said:

With how much the true top end talent is getting spread around now its really going to be a even bigger game of who can best evaluate and develop those next tiers of players. Obviously you still want to land as many top 100ish guys as you can, but the real winners are going to be made by executing the best with the next ranges of players, along with good yearly roster retention and good strategic use of the portal to fill any gaps needed.

What good are Texas A&M and USCs "loaded" classes if half of those guys are out of the program and on to somewhere else in a year or two? No good at all.

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That's what's so frustrating about a segment of our fanbase. OSU in no way had a team full of former 5stars last season, they had a complete team, which yes, they had some former 5stars. But they also had a former 3star at QB, a former 5star IOL playing LT for most of the season, an unranked TE transfer from the MAC, and multiple transfers in general who no one knew would mesh with the team. That's what makes the BS narrative that Day "bought" this team so laughable. He had to make a complete team, and no amount of money thrown at players is going to create a team at this level. That might work in the NFL(might), but grown men who are professionals don't have to worry about classes, fans on campus, etc. And OSU didn't have the jealousy or contract issues that you heard about at other schools, and the best example is OSU being the only team not to lose a major contributor, or someone who could be starting next year to the Portal.

Jaxbuck said:

So if I understand these new rules correctly, the schools can pay current roster employees (players) a share of revenue. There is a salary cap and the death panel to watch our for bullshit NIL deals. Right?

If I want to start poking at the does of gaming this system, what is to stop my collective from offering a signing bonus tied to a 5 year contract to play at my school, then stashing that kid at another school for the first year or two to let them develop?

Shouldn't count against my salary cap until I call them up, no?

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There's a lot of holes if you think about it. Like the HS kids don't count towards the NIL salary cap, so these deals being offered to the 2026 class I believe are through collectives and not the actual school. Hence why USC can offer a TE $10mil(of X amount of years). At least that's what I think I understand from reading

buckeyemania11 said:

Apparently it's also a legal question as to if buy out clauses in these contracts will actually be enforceable in the end.

Can Collectives Actually Enforce NIL Buyouts in College Football Star Contracts?

An unprecedented situation in college football is transpiring over name, image, and likeness contracts.

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Guys like this are lining up once the NCAA NIL rules take effect. The first deal that's questioned will have litigation waiting

cincibuck said:

Do I have worthless jack offs in my classes? Yes.

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I never took any of your classes, sir.

Jaxbuck said:

You've got a field that looks like other fields now?

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But the font!

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Shocked I tell you

BuckBackHome said:

Smelly meals eaten at a desk in an open area.

Coworkers who like to clip their nails while working.

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Now this is sarcasm…..no one works in an office anymore

Dude will never win a title lmao.

pnuts34 said:

The funny thing is, even with talent being spread out, due to some staffs being better at talent evaluation than others(i.e. OSU), the same teams will continue to be the elite teams in CFB. In the past CFP there were 12 teams, and Boise St, IU, SMU and ASU were the only teams who'd be considered mid majors who made it, so almost 70% of the teams in the playoff were teams with classic CFB pasts and massive followings. Even with NIL, I only see that number being the cap. 3-4 teams in CFP as mid majors, and most will lose their first game. Sorry but I just don't see a Big 12 team beating Ped St in Happy Valley, or in Athens, GA or The Shoe. Football is too physical, its not like basketball where a team can get hot from 3.

And what gets forgotten is, the kids being talked about so much for what they're earning are usually the incoming freshman. And for anyone that's followed CFB, those players usually make the least impact on the field. Because they're kids who were literally living at home with their parents barely a year before they play their first CFB game. So expecting a true frosh to lead your team from the start is ridiculous, but because these teams payed so much money, these collectives expect an immediate return. Miami fans are already angry at Justin Scott and Marquise Lightfoot(2 guys who were once favored to OSU) for not being in the 2 deep, and barely playing as true frosh! If you're stockpiling your team with high priced under classmen, that's a recipe for disaster, due to immaturity and not being physically ready for the step up in competition. And the pressure only ramps up for their 2nd seasons. There won't be much patience for Bryce Underwood, or any of the high priced frosh that will be at USC in a year. USC is expected to win the B1G in no less than 2-3yrs. That's a tall task when you're relying on 18yos to be your best players and leaders.


Its literally generational money for some families. I know of several families, who the collegiate athlete has been able to retire his(and even her) parents.

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With how much the true top end talent is getting spread around now its really going to be a even bigger game of who can best evaluate and develop those next tiers of players. Obviously you still want to land as many top 100ish guys as you can, but the real winners are going to be made by executing the best with the next ranges of players, along with good yearly roster retention and good strategic use of the portal to fill any gaps needed.

What good are Texas A&M and USCs "loaded" classes if half of those guys are out of the program and on to somewhere else in a year or two? No good at all.

Mike80 said:

They got no balls if they don't test in prod!




Does this need the sarcasm font?

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I actually have client that went live about 4 months ago where this is basically the case. I warned them for months and all the status reports were red. Their PM did a soft shoe to the Execs on it and now the project is a shit show.

They’re asking for all sorts of changes and updates due to their failure to test and do a proper UAT. Pay up bitches you were told and it was documented.

So if I understand these new rules correctly, the schools can pay current roster employees (players) a share of revenue. There is a salary cap and the death panel to watch our for bullshit NIL deals. Right?

If I want to start poking at the does of gaming this system, what is to stop my collective from offering a signing bonus tied to a 5 year contract to play at my school, then stashing that kid at another school for the first year or two to let them develop?

Shouldn't count against my salary cap until I call them up, no?

pnuts34 said:

Oh, now that's a part of the rules I didn't think about. And you could be right. If that's the case, there could be a bunch of flips. But I figured something has been signed in order to commit. I doubt a player is allowed to flip if they start getting checks

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Apparently it's also a legal question as to if buy out clauses in these contracts will actually be enforceable in the end.

Jaxbuck said:

Getting really high level here but it's like what @RhodeIslandBuck pointed out. We are what, 25 years or so into the information age?

It takes a while for old institutions to die off and the new "thing" to emerge.

Traditional higher education and it's tie-ins to the workforce are dying, they just aren't all the way dead yet. Kind of like the NCAA and NIL. They are dead institutions but the bloated corpse of their bureaucracy continues to have some inertia that makes it seem alive.

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I don't think that quite right, but I do think that we've been in an age of higher education excess and that we're going to see some culling of institutions and a lot of streamlining within institutions with a handful of elite places for the wealthy to continue much as they do now.

buckeyemania11 said:

I believe the buy out rule only kicks in if the player transfers after they are already enrolled at the school. They can flip to as many schools as they want during the recruiting process.

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Oh, now that's a part of the rules I didn't think about. And you could be right. If that's the case, there could be a bunch of flips. But I figured something has been signed in order to commit. I doubt a player is allowed to flip if they start getting checks

pnuts34 said:

And what gets forgotten is, the kids being talked about so much for what they're earning are usually the incoming freshman. And for anyone that's followed CFB, those players usually make the least impact on the field. Because they're kids who were literally living at home with their parents barely a year before they play their first CFB game. So expecting a true frosh to lead your team from the start is ridiculous, but because these teams payed so much money, these collectives expect an immediate return. Miami fans are already angry at Justin Scott and Marquise Lightfoot(2 guys who were once favored to OSU) for not being in the 2 deep, and barely playing as true frosh! If you're stockpiling your team with high priced under classmen, that's a recipe for disaster, due to immaturity and not being physically ready for the step up in competition. And the pressure only ramps up for their 2nd seasons. There won't be much patience for Bryce Underwood, or any of the high priced frosh that will be at USC in a year. USC is expected to win the B1G in no less than 2-3yrs. That's a tall task when you're relying on 18yos to be your best players and leaders.

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Sounds like we need a CFP G League

BUCKYLE said:

Almost every single job in corporate America has a hard ceiling without a degree. Social work. Art history. Whatever. 20 years of experience in leadership in the industry doesn't matter a bit. You have to have a degree to prove...idk what. Not sure where im going with this. Kinda zurped out a little.

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My theory is that as a society matures it becomes more geared towards preservation of what has been achieved, particularly with respect to socio-economic status, than innovation to try to achieve, and when that happens a society becomes much more about credentials than skills. Western Europe has been like that forever, and I think the U.S. has become much more like that as it "matured" within the last 40-50 years or so. It also creates risk aversion among those who hire who, if a hire goes bad (and hiring is always somewhat of a crapshoot), would rather be able to point to a credential as an excuse for the hiring than run the risk of having taken a chance on someone who doesn't have it even if that person probably should have gotten the chance to do the job. That said, I think that's turning around, at least in some sectors of the economy, as lifelong learning and skills development, however achieved, is becoming more and more important as everything keeps changing. But it's also likely that that change is largely happening mainly once the degree threshold is reached and that those without are still largely being unjustifiably written off.

Jaxbuck said:

I thought this new rule book they created gave a lot more teeth to the concept of buy outs?

Or am I misremembering?

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I believe the buy out rule only kicks in if the player transfers after they are already enrolled at the school. They can flip to as many schools as they want during the recruiting process.

buckeyemania11 said:

Exactly, it's a completely different game than it was 10 years ago.

The days of a couple of teams hoarding all the top players are over, it's more spread out than ever.

The bought and paid for pure bag classes have yet to work at all for anyone, you can almost just ignore the Texas A&M, USC, Cryami and now scUM type teams when it comes to the rankings because those bought and paid for bag classes are much more likely to fall apart completely than actually win anything together.

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The funny thing is, even with talent being spread out, due to some staffs being better at talent evaluation than others(i.e. OSU), the same teams will continue to be the elite teams in CFB. In the past CFP there were 12 teams, and Boise St, IU, SMU and ASU were the only teams who'd be considered mid majors who made it, so almost 70% of the teams in the playoff were teams with classic CFB pasts and massive followings. Even with NIL, I only see that number being the cap. 3-4 teams in CFP as mid majors, and most will lose their first game. Sorry but I just don't see a Big 12 team beating Ped St in Happy Valley, or in Athens, GA or The Shoe. Football is too physical, its not like basketball where a team can get hot from 3.

And what gets forgotten is, the kids being talked about so much for what they're earning are usually the incoming freshman. And for anyone that's followed CFB, those players usually make the least impact on the field. Because they're kids who were literally living at home with their parents barely a year before they play their first CFB game. So expecting a true frosh to lead your team from the start is ridiculous, but because these teams payed so much money, these collectives expect an immediate return. Miami fans are already angry at Justin Scott and Marquise Lightfoot(2 guys who were once favored to OSU) for not being in the 2 deep, and barely playing as true frosh! If you're stockpiling your team with high priced under classmen, that's a recipe for disaster, due to immaturity and not being physically ready for the step up in competition. And the pressure only ramps up for their 2nd seasons. There won't be much patience for Bryce Underwood, or any of the high priced frosh that will be at USC in a year. USC is expected to win the B1G in no less than 2-3yrs. That's a tall task when you're relying on 18yos to be your best players and leaders.

BuckBackHome said:

And I would guess for a good percentage of these kids the money being offered to them is a difference maker for them and their loved ones.

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Its literally generational money for some families. I know of several families, who the collegiate athlete has been able to retire his(and even her) parents.

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Which weighs more, a Crystal Ball or a Fong bomb?