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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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Tlangs;1943299; said:
his paycheck would have been fatter next year.

This year he is coming off of a foot surgery with no NFL combine to show off how much of a freak he is. NFL gms get boners over the combine numbers.


5th round money for the next 4 yrs < 3rd round money starting next year for 3 years
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Gatorubet;1943245; said:
You could have waited until Tress was banned from tOSU via a show cause ruling, that is true. Why you think keeping him on pending that finding is now a wise strategy, that I cannot fathom. Cutting losses was key.



That the Ohio BMV did not find impropriety in the car deal is great, but that has nothing at all to do with the pending NOA and the current investigation by tOSU and the NCAA pursuant to that NOA. One is mostly just babble between the press and bloggers. The other is more akin to a criminal charge, and nothing about the second is resolved by the good news of the other.

As to "multiple colleges being WAY more corrupt", you should afford them the same deference and presumption of innocence concerning their NOA as you (correctly) insist on applying to your own NOA.



I can see how how a fan could feel this way, truly I do. But to anyone not highly emotionally invested in the program from a Buckeye fan perspective, that bold sentence is damn near laughable Bill. Nobody in the NCAA gives a [Mark May] about how badly you feel about the loss of your coach when he violated 10.1 and let ineligible players take you to a bowl game - especially when he punked the NCAA (by hiding his knowledge of the violations) into letting his guys play after they were caught, thereby diminishing the severity of the tat-five violations assessed in December. TP walks
entirely for his crimes, neither missing games in 2010 like A.J. Green, missing the Bowl when the Justice Dept outed them, nor missing a game in 2011 despite having cheated to get the 2011 Sugar Bowl berth. Most non-Buckeyes think this an egregious result.

The NCAA also does not see nor care about "father figure" status...unless you can point me to a mitigation bylaw that says father figures are treated less harshly. Point in fact, they see a coach "who failed to deport himself with honesty and integrity associated with the conduct and administration of college athletics". The NCAA is not comprised of Buckeye fans who cherish The Game wins. The NCAA does not care about hospital visits with sick kids when it looks at 10.1 issues. I'm not trying to be a dick here, but the fan stuff has nothing to do with the legal stuff, and while it is fine to argue that it really should - to suggest that it does is intentionally misleading to some readers who will buy that line.


Too true. Nice to see things are getting better, allegation wise.
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True but the NCAA doesnt care about reactionary media reports-talking heads screaming for the death penalty or fans of opposing teams and their opinion on what should happen to Ohio State either
 
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billmac91;1943229; said:
Just feels more and more like tOSU jumped the gun on forcing Tressel out. None of these reports are sticking, and multiple colleges are being found to be WAY more corrupt than what was happening at tOSU.

It doesn't make what happened with Tressel OK, but it puts it in perspective. I'd hope the NCAA realizes just how much the University has suffered and already been punished just in the loss of JT....a father figure to 85 scholarship athletes and an amazing teacher.

This off-season has just been a whore's nightmare....
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Sorry, but I disagree. If anything, they were (due to JT's past actions and the bad taste over the O'Brien dismissal) more than lenient. The reality is that he was gone the minute it became known that he had received those e-mails in April and lied about them in September and December. Lying to the ncaa and your university and covering up violations is usually a cause for immediate dismissal (see: O'Brien, Jim), because of his body of work, Gee gave him the opportunity to state his case behind the scenes. In the end, there was too much pressure building (not from the press but from actual constituencies of the university) for him to have all but the slimmest chance of ever holding onto his job.

JT saw the writing on the wall and, to his credit, agreed to leave gracefully
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1943327; said:
Sorry, but I disagree. If anything, they were (due to JT's past actions and the bad taste over the O'Brien dismissal) more than lenient. The reality is that he was gone the minute it became known that he had received those e-mails in April and lied about them in September and December. Lying to the ncaa and your university and covering up violations is usually a cause for immediate dismissal (see: O'Brien, Jim), because of his body of work, Gee gave him the opportunity to state his case behind the scenes. In the end, there was too much pressure building (not from the press but from actual constituencies of the university) for him to have all but the slimmest chance of ever holding onto his job.

JT saw the writing on the wall and, to his credit, agreed to leave gracefully
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I don't disagree with your sentiment...my point is more...."If UNC doesn't get LOIC while having an NFL agent on staff who made $31,000 last year, had tutors admittedly writing papers for players, and had university employees paying for football players parking tickets....I think JT could have been retained over his non-compliance in regards to trinkets for tattoos."
 
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The more I look at it, I'm beginning to think that LOIC has more to do with an entire department and multiple sports than it does just one sport/ team.

Southern Cal had fball and hoops and tennis, Boise had nothing huge but several programs involved. Both got LOIC'd.

Ohio State and UNC are only being looked at for one sport, and have seemingly bigger issues than the other two (I think OSU > Boise and UNC > USC, in terms of scope).

What worries me is that we Buckeye fans are hoping that LO LOIC means we won't receive penalties similar to SC; this may not be the case, should the COI feel the need to "deal with" a "renegade" program.
 
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MaliBuckeye;1943336; said:
The more I look at it, I'm beginning to think that LOIC has more to do with an entire department and multiple sports than it does just one sport/ team.

Southern Cal had fball and hoops and tennis, Boise had nothing huge but several programs involved. Both got LOIC'd.

Ohio State and UNC are only being looked at for one sport, and have seemingly bigger issues than the other two (I think OSU > Boise and UNC > USC, in terms of scope).

What worries me is that we Buckeye fans are hoping that LO LOIC means we won't receive penalties similar to SC; this may not be the case, should the COI feel the need to "deal with" a "renegade" program.
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It was in women's tennis, but having somebody that's a recruit (and not enrolled in the school) play in actual matches is a huge violation, and worthy of LOIC.

I agree that what they did in football wasn't a major violation by itself, and that they got LOIC mainly because of the problems in other sports.
 
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Good explanation of what is being looked at in the CPD


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Here's what we know about three key issues that have arisen since April.
The cars: After the BMV released its report Tuesday, Ohio State called off its own planned independent investigation. The BMV has nothing to do with the NCAA and therefore wasn't worried about whether NCAA rules were broken, though the investigation didn't find any evidence of dealers receiving OSU memorabilia or tickets in car deals.
"In light of the report from the BMV and an examination done by the Ohio Independent Automobile Dealers Association, we have seen no evidence that would lead us to believe that Ohio State student-athletes violated any policies when purchasing used cars," OSU spokesperson Jim Lynch said. "Therefore, we will not be conducting an independent examination outside of what has already been done by these parties."
Overall, this is very good news for Ohio State.
To illustrate that, consider the alternative, if the BMV had found that laws were broken because dealers had misreported deals in order to give OSU athletes a break. That would have been a major problem. But this is the opposite of that. Still, some may wonder why the university isn't taking another look at the cars on its own. That could really clear the air. But Larry James, Pryor's former attorney, took time Tuesday to reinforce that all the cars the former OSU quarterback drove were properly accounted for. And you'd think that if Ohio State isn't looking harder, the OSU administration must have some idea the NCAA is satisfied. So this potentially damning part of the puzzle could be finished.
The Sports Illustrated allegations: In an SI story released May 30, the day Tressel resigned as Ohio State's coach, nine other players on the current roster were named by an anonymous source as receiving extra benefits at a tattoo parlor. Parents of many of those players have disputed their sons broke any NCAA rules, and James, representing those players as well, has been confident all along that eight of the nine would be completely cleared. He gathered memorabilia from the players to help make that case.
If the NCAA finds more violations related to the tattoo parlor, it could show that Ohio State's problem went deeper than the six players initially suspended in December. At this point, it seems like there's a good chance the NCAA may not find that.
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