Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[buckeyesin07]

He is also the biggest Boise State [censored] of the entire bunch.

Kirk Herbstreit is on line 1.

 

[Divided42]

Let's assume it's true. Stealing equipment isn't an NCAA violation. You'd have to prove it was stolen and sold.

That's a bit tougher to do. Further still, stealing something and selling it isn't an NCAA violation.

Stealing pads/cleats/footballs from the University and selling them for profit isn't a NCAA violation? Uhh yes it is. The problem, unfortunately, is that the NCAA doesn't have to PROVE it, they just have to remove the plausible deniability from OSU. Bascially it has to be more likely that it did happen than it didn't. Or am I wrong on that? Well the audit would prove the stuff was stolen and it was already proven with Pryor, Posey, Adams, etc that at least a small number of stuff was being sold. So it comes down to does the NCAA think OSU has no plausible deniability with the stuff that was stolen and they can't prove was sold? At any rate not noticing or caring if OSU football equipment was missing is failure to monitor right?

 

[sammyjenkis]

Stealing pads/cleats/footballs from the University and selling them for profit isn't a NCAA violation? Uhh yes it is. The problem, unfortunately, is that the NCAA doesn't have to PROVE it, they just have to remove the plausible deniability from OSU. Bascially it has to be more likely that it did happen than it didn't. Or am I wrong on that? Well the audit would prove the stuff was stolen and it was already proven with Pryor, Posey, Adams, etc that at least a small number of stuff was being sold. So it comes down to does the NCAA think OSU has no plausible deniability with the stuff that was stolen and they can't prove was sold? At any rate not noticing or caring if OSU football equipment was missing is failure to monitor right?

Was Rife charged with receiving stolen property? If the authorities have gone through all his crap in all his storage units would they have compared what was found to what was listed on the police report? Would they have been able to identify with reasonable certainty what is stolen OSU property that conveniently happens to have player's signatures?

 

[BB73]

Stealing pads/cleats/footballs from the University and selling them for profit isn't a NCAA violation? Uhh yes it is. The problem, unfortunately, is that the NCAA doesn't have to PROVE it, they just have to remove the plausible deniability from OSU. Bascially it has to be more likely that it did happen than it didn't. Or am I wrong on that? Well the audit would prove the stuff was stolen and it was already proven with Pryor, Posey, Adams, etc that at least a small number of stuff was being sold. So it comes down to does the NCAA think OSU has no plausible deniability with the stuff that was stolen and they can't prove was sold? At any rate not noticing or caring if OSU football equipment was missing is failure to monitor right?

It seems to me that it's a reasonable possibility that the items that were reported to be stolen were actually stolen by somebody besides tOSU football players. And I don't know if the items specifically reported as being stolen were among the items that were found among Rife's stuff - I'm not sure if anybody does know whether that's the case or not.

And this doesn't seem to fit the "not noticing or caring" portion of your premise.

WBNS

University administrators said Friday that they are keeping an eye on Web sites and memorabilia shops after someone stole several pairs of shoes from the Ohio State football team locker room.

 

[ochre]

Stealing pads/cleats/footballs from the University and selling them for profit isn't a NCAA violation?

depends. Is stealing gear a privilege denied to the general student populace?

 

[Dryden]

"In light of the report from the BMV and an examination done by the Ohio Independent Automobile Dealers Association, we have seen no evidence that would lead us to believe that Ohio State student-athletes violated any policies when purchasing used cars," OSU spokesperson Jim Lynch said. "Therefore, we will not be conducting an independent examination outside of what has already been done by these parties."

Good call. When your Compliance Department is under fire for being understaffed and not thorough enough, it's the perfect time to pass the buck in the midst of the biggest investigation in University history.

 

[Steve19]

Stealing pads/cleats/footballs from the University and selling them for profit isn't a NCAA violation? Uhh yes it is. The problem, unfortunately, is that the NCAA doesn't have to PROVE it, they just have to remove the plausible deniability from OSU. Bascially it has to be more likely that it did happen than it didn't. Or am I wrong on that? Well the audit would prove the stuff was stolen and it was already proven with Pryor, Posey, Adams, etc that at least a small number of stuff was being sold. So it comes down to does the NCAA think OSU has no plausible deniability with the stuff that was stolen and they can't prove was sold? At any rate not noticing or caring if OSU football equipment was missing is failure to monitor right?

Here are your assumptions:

The audit proves that a lot of equipment was stolen.
An OSU player stole the equipment.
An OSU player sold the equipment.

None of these assumptions follows logically from the players' earlier admissions or the audit discrepancies. It's not clear at present what "a lot" of missing equipment really means.

Missing equipment may have been lost, damaged and improperly recorded as such, or stolen by someone else. The fact that it is missing doesn't mean that OSU administrators did not care or notice.

My point is that these players and the University will be judged on the evidence, not leaps of faith about what it means.

 

[BB73]

Good call. When your Compliance Department is under fire for being understaffed and not thorough enough, it's the perfect time to pass the buck in the midst of the biggest investigation in University history.

tOSU's compliance department had 6 folks, and is looking to expand to 8.

Meanwhile, Oregon has 4 full-time folks and an intern, and Dennis Dodd today called that "robustly" staffed, while taking a shot at tOSU's compliance department.

He also mentioned that the star Duck DB Harris was suspended because of a speeding ticket, but didn't bother to say anything about the fact that he car was rented for him by a University of Oregon employee. How many articles have we seen over the past 6 months which listed the issues of tOSU like a laundry list over and over again.

It seems like selective reporting to me.

CBS

Oregon isn't headed in that direction -- yet. The program's compliance department seems robustly staffed, with four full-timers and an intern, according to Mullens. But as we've seen in the Ohio State case, vigilance against wrongdoing varies from school to school.


James is not unlike thousands of his peers. He told CBSSports.com on Tuesday college players should be paid because "coaches make millions of dollars a year." James added that he "totally" understood why the Buckeye Five sold their gear for benefits and money.


"It's not something I would do," James said. "I wouldn't want to jeopardize my team, my career. But if a person chooses to sell something that is his, I don't understand [why he can't]. If he sells some gloves, they're just gloves."


For better or worse, Mullens finds a small comparison between Kelly and his old basketball coach at Kentucky, John Calipari.


"They have a tremendous work ethic and are outstanding leaders," Mullens said. "Cal thrives on, 'All eyes on him.' Chip's a ball coach who ... would prefer to stick to the trade of coaching and strategizing."


Mullens oversees a football program that has had its share of bad publicity since Kelly took over as head coach. Former quarterback Jeremiah Masoli was eventually kicked off the team after a series of legal problems. Former tailback LeGarrette Blount was suspended after punching a Boise State player in the 2009 opener.


James, a 2010 Heisman finalist, missed last season's opener because of a suspension. Star defensive back Cliff Harris is suspended indefinitely after recently being caught going 118 mph on the nearby I-5.


Will Harris end up like Masoli or Blount/James, who both thrived after returning from their suspensions?

Cont'd ...

 

[Steve19]

Actually, I think it is a good call. The Compliance Department is under fire for supposedly knowing about NCAA violations and hiding them. You gain very little in investigating yourself, especially when the government has access to better data than you do. Relying on third-party government investigators to handle what appear to be spurious allegations seems to have been a very good call indeed.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

Stealing pads/cleats/footballs from the University and selling them for profit isn't a NCAA violation? Uhh yes it is. The problem, unfortunately, is that the NCAA doesn't have to PROVE it, they just have to remove the plausible deniability from OSU. Bascially it has to be more likely that it did happen than it didn't. Or am I wrong on that? Well the audit would prove the stuff was stolen and it was already proven with Pryor, Posey, Adams, etc that at least a small number of stuff was being sold. So it comes down to does the NCAA think OSU has no plausible deniability with the stuff that was stolen and they can't prove was sold? At any rate not noticing or caring if OSU football equipment was missing is failure to monitor right?

i don't think you know what "plausible deniability" means. butch davis does. tressel didn't.

 

[sflbuck]

Stealing pads/cleats/footballs from the University and selling them for profit isn't a NCAA violation? Uhh yes it is. The problem, unfortunately, is that the NCAA doesn't have to PROVE it, they just have to remove the plausible deniability from OSU. Bascially it has to be more likely that it did happen than it didn't. Or am I wrong on that? Well the audit would prove the stuff was stolen and it was already proven with Pryor, Posey, Adams, etc that at least a small number of stuff was being sold. So it comes down to does the NCAA think OSU has no plausible deniability with the stuff that was stolen and they can't prove was sold? At any rate not noticing or caring if OSU football equipment was missing is failure to monitor right?

Just like the MoC fiasco, its amazing all the "Junior NCAA Investigators" that show up on message boards.

To your points:

1) The NCAA does have to prove something happened. Its just that proof is by the majority of the evidence. Plausible deniability or its removal has nothing to do with it. You would have us believe that if a game jersey is stolen and later sold in the open market and if Player A had committed a violation because he sold a gift he had received legally (say a Big 10 Championship Ring), then Player A is guilty of this new violation as well. What would really happen is investigators would interview Player A among others and look at their financial records to see if there is any unusual sources of income or if the took a vacation beyond their means to pay. They would then interview people around the players to see if they can add anything. in the end, when they have a as complete of picture as possible, they still have to have some proof that Player A was directly responsible for committing this violation.

People forget that MoC was NOT charged with receiving an improper benefit.(Could MoC or anyone here 'plausibly deny" he did not get improper benefits") He WAS charged with lying to NCAA investigators multiple times which is also a NCAA violation.

2) You would be right that OSU could be charged with failure to monitor if they did not notice (hard to believe this is true because OSU filed a police report) and did not care (might be hard to believe because the compliance department started looking on the Web and in shops for the missing items). Did the compliance staff look hard enough? I will wait for the NCAA's report for the answer to that question.

Thanks for playing "Junior NCAA Investigator"

 

[buckeyesin07]

Just like the MoC fiasco, its amazing all the "Junior NCAA Investigators" that show on message boards.

To your points:

1) The NCAA does have to prove something happened. Its just that proof is by the majority of the evidence. Plausible deniability or its removal has nothing to do with it. You would have us believe that if a game jersey is stolen and later sold in the open market and if Player A had committed a violation because he sold a gift he had received legally (say a Big 10 Championship Ring), then Player A is guilty of this new violation as well. What would really happen is investigators would interview Player A among others and look at their financial records to see if there is any unusual sources of income or if the took a vacation beyond their means to pay. They would then interview people around the players to see if they can add anything. in the end, when they have a as complete of picture as possible, they still have to have some proof that Player A was directly responsible for committing this violation.

People forget that MoC was NOT charged with receiving an improper benefit.(Could MoC or anyone here 'plausibly deny" he did not get improper benefits") He WAS charged with lying to NCAA investigators multiple times which is also a NCAA violation.

2) You would be right that OSU could be charged with failure to monitor if they did not notice (hard to believe this is true because OSU filed a police report) and did not care (might be hard to believe because the compliance department started looking on the Web and in shops for the missing items). Did the compliance staff look hard enough? I will wait for the NCAA's report for the answer to that question.

Thanks for playing "Junior NCAA Investigator"

The only thing worse than playing "junior NCAA investigator" is doing so while being a fan of an opposing team and yet attempting to pose as an OSU fan.

 

[Gatorubet]

The only thing worse than playing "junior NCAA investigator" is doing so while being a fan of an opposing team and yet attempting to pose as an OSU fan.

 

[LitlBuck]

tOSU's compliance department had 6 folks, and is looking to expand to 8.

Meanwhile, Oregon has 4 full-time folks and an intern, and Dennis Dodd today called that "robustly" staffed, while taking a shot at tOSU's compliance department.

tOSU's compliance department currently employs 7 compliance officers. There was an internal hire last week and have posted a position for an 8th compliance office staff member. I am sorry that I do not have a link but this was announced on the local Columbus news last week. Just a FYI:)

 

[lvbuckeye]

Inflaters gonna inflate

FIFY.