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QB Todd Boeckman (official thread)

Billmac91 Said,
there are 2 extremes I am seeing, that I think are both misplaced. You have the poster who says Todd is sone with football, good luck in whatever it is you choose to pursue. You aren't good enough to play in the NFL.


I don't get this, I type fast and could have edited the post to be more clear, but the post I cited only began to get at the point of coaching that the Patriots have the luxury to take advantage of. That is what I wanted to point out. Todd so far as I see could do what Matt Cassel did having played none at USC. Will he be drafted for this purpose, course not. Can he do well as a back up? Sure. I do not think that a career as a back up means much if when his name is called, he could not do the job adequately. What's adequately? Garcia?

As for the rest of this post, just because I was speaking in terms of what conditions would be needed for Boeckman to become an adequate starter does not mean that I think he would be drafted for that purpose. That is a false inference. Not uncommon but false none the less.

Billmac91 said,
And then you have the poster talking about Todd hopefully getting a chance in the right system to make himself a career
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Nope, did nothing of the sort, this was all me and was my point. I like seeing people working their best under good management, which raises the bar on their potential. Bad management holds people from reaching their potential. By 'management' here I mean 'coaching' of course. The point is the same in business too though.

Billmac91 said,
What is wrong with Todd catching on with a team, with the understanding he is a backup? Chicago didn't fly Todd in to become the next starting QB of the Bears. NFL franchises recognize his character, and physical abilities, and see a potential backup QB. At best. In fact, I bet most teams see a 3rd string, practice QB. A guy they can call onto the squad if the backup or starter get hurt.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and he'll make a great living doing it. I am convinced Todd will make a career at the next level, I just don't think it is realistic to expect him to catch on somewhere and become a franchise QB
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Nothing I said denies this. I was talking about what I was talking about, and your points are not addressing my point, which does not mean I disagree with you. But no player is kept when the coaches think they cannot do the job adequately when called on. And if they are, that is just poor coaching. Money and other things come in to play here. But again, nothing I said disagrees with your point. My point is the importance of coaching on the QB position.
 
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Billmac91 said,
You have the poster who says Todd is sone with football, good luck in whatever it is you choose to pursue. You aren't good enough to play in the NFL.

'sone' What did you mean here? I can't figure out your typo. Nothing I said, so far as I can tell, would make anyone think I'm deluded enough to think I could have played in the NFL. If only pros can post here, it would get very quiet on these boards. Not to mention, so you are implying that you can or did play in the NFL? Cool, but you still missed my point and I don't back down just because you did, I still stand by what I said and am always willing to learn from those that know more than me. But I can only begin from where I am now.
 
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brough;1435906; said:
I got some of the confusion Billmac91, I was commenting on post 1333 and not 1334 until later. But Buckskin96 said nothing himself.

typo. should have been 'done'. I'm not calling you out brough, it is more of a theme I have seen throughout the thread. Some say he can't play in the NFL, others saythey hope he gets a chance to excell. My opinion is in the middle....I'm hopeful Todd has a chance to make a career out of football. My best guess, is he does it as a backup.
 
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What you say is not unlikely, but he will have to make it through camp somewhere, or at least on to a practice squad. Giving him three years as a back up means he would be exactly what you say. The question from there for me is it would only be then that we would see what he could possibly become as a QB, backup, serviceable or never had it.
 
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billmac91;1435934; said:
typo. should have been 'done'. I'm not calling you out brough, it is more of a theme I have seen throughout the thread. Some say he can't play in the NFL, others saythey hope he gets a chance to excell. My opinion is in the middle....I'm hopeful Todd has a chance to make a career out of football. My best guess, is he does it as a backup.

The two aren't necessarily exclusive. I hope he gets a chance and makes something of it, but my honest take is that he doesn't have the talent to make it in the NFL, even as a back up.
 
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billmac91;1435885; said:
there are 2 extremes I am seeing, that I think are both misplaced. You have the poster who says Todd is sone with football, good luck in whatever it is you choose to pursue. You aren't good enough to play in the NFL.

And then you have the poster talking about Todd hopefully getting a chance in the right system to make himself a career.

What is wrong with Todd catching on with a team, with the understanding he is a backup? Chicago didn't fly Todd in to become the next starting QB of the Bears. NFL franchises recognize his character, and physical abilities, and see a potential backup QB. At best. In fact, I bet most teams see a 3rd string, practice QB. A guy they can call onto the squad if the backup or starter get hurt.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and he'll make a great living doing it. I am convinced Todd will make a career at the next level, I just don't think it is realistic to expect him to catch on somewhere and become a franchise QB.

Mike Tomczak, anyone?
 
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Viking;1439838; said:
The two aren't necessarily exclusive. I hope he gets a chance and makes something of it, but my honest take is that he doesn't have the talent to make it in the NFL, even as a back up.

Might have been worth posting this if you gave a reason for this opinion. I am interested in seeing what it takes, as clearly as I can, to be successful in life, and football is a great microcosm for such phenomena to show itself. If the QB from TSUN can be drafted last year after being beat by Boeckman, I see no reason that Todd could not do the same, though in the situation at hand, he will be drafted much later, if at all. Understanding why in a clear way is what interests me. From what I have seen, talent does not seem to be the problem. ; )
 
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OregonBuckeye;1440402; said:
The amount of crappy college QB's who've hung around for a while is staggering. Todd was not a crappy QB. I can definitely see Todd sticking around for more than just a couple years.

Todd was not a crappy QB, but he's shown little that would make one think he's NFL material. He's got a decent arm, but he gets rattled when hurried. If JT and company considered that a problem here at tOSU, what on Earth makes you think an NFL coach is going to ignore that when you have even less time to make critical decisions with BIGGER, FASTER, MEANER guys coming at you and corners that are on WRs like glue.
 
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Buckeyes reflect as draft nears
By Joe Huddleston
March 30, 2009

MOUNT VERNON ? With less than a month before the 2009 NFL Draft, two potential draft picks made their way to the 2009 Knox County Spring Home and Garden Show on Saturday afternoon for a meet and greet. Former Ohio State Buckeyes Todd Boeckman and James Laurinaitis were on hand to sign autographs and step away from the NFL spotlight.

?I always like doing signings and getting to talk to the fans. You always hear stories of how you touched them in some way,? said Boeckman. ?When a little kid smiles, I always love seeing that because I know I made someone?s day. I always look forward to it.?

Laurinaitis is expected to be a first-round selection, while Boeckman will likely be waiting until Day 2 to hear his name called. Boeckman?s stock dropped after he lost his starting quarterback spot to freshman Terrell Pryor. He didn?t let that stop him, however.

?It was really tough to go out there after last year. I helped lead our team to a national championship game and then kind of got thrown to the side for a little bit,? Boeckman said. ?It was hard on me. I thought I deserved the right to be out there, at least a little bit. I had to play my role, be a team captain and do whatever the coaches asked me. When I went out there on the field, I wanted to make the most of it. I did feel like maybe I should have been given more opportunities to get on the field, but I just wanted to do what I could to help the team out, whatever it was ? backup, third-strong, fourth-string or starter.

?It was a tough experience overall,? said Boeckman. ?But if that is one of the toughest things I have to go through in sports, then I am pretty fortunate. Overall, I learned the ropes. It could happen in real life with your job, so I guess going through an experience like this could help me out overall.?

?I?m working hard,? said Boeckman. ?We had our pro day, and I had some workouts with some pro teams. I?m doing everything I can, hoping somebody will take a shot on me. I?m looking forward to it. Hopefully, I can make a team either through the draft or free agency. I just want a chance to show my skills. It only takes one person to like you; you never know what can happen.

?My pro day went well. I thought I threw well and did about as good as I could. Hopefully, it works out and it showed somebody that I have skills to go out there and compete in the NFL.?

If football isn?t in Boeckman?s future, he isn?t sure what he is going to do. He hasn?t stopped to think about that possibility.

?Right now, I definitely don?t know what I want to do,? said Boeckman. ?(If I don?t make a team,) I?ll go through the job interviews and the process. I?m not sure where that will take me, but I plan on coming back to Columbus after my playing days are over.?


Buckeyes reflect as draft nears | Mountvernonnews.com - Mount Vernon News
 
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matcar;1440498; said:
Todd was not a crappy QB, but he's shown little that would make one think he's NFL material. He's got a decent arm, but he gets rattled when hurried. If JT and company considered that a problem here at tOSU, what on Earth makes you think an NFL coach is going to ignore that when you have even less time to make critical decisions with BIGGER, FASTER, MEANER guys coming at you and corners that are on WRs like glue.
I guess the o-line gave him enough time :)
 
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matcar;1440498; said:
Todd was not a crappy QB, but he's shown little that would make one think he's NFL material. He's got a decent arm, but he gets rattled when hurried. If JT and company considered that a problem here at tOSU, what on Earth makes you think an NFL coach is going to ignore that when you have even less time to make critical decisions with BIGGER, FASTER, MEANER guys coming at you and corners that are on WRs like glue.

Yeah, I keep hearing this. You're looking at it the wrong way. He's not being looked at as a high pick. He's a low pick or free agent. No one expects him to carry a team to the Super Bowl. I'm sure a lot of teams like his size and character. He's a nice option as a back-up.
 
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