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QB Todd Boeckman (official thread)

matcar;1429851; said:
Todd played well against very poor competition. Once the competition improved, he was not a good QB, fair is how he would be best described. I was one of his biggest supporters before the year began last year as I hoped/predicted he would rebound. As it turned out, he was who he is. A fair QB. Not NFL material. It's OK, Todd is still a great person and I'd assume he'll go on to great things, it just won't be on an NFL football field.

except he was flown into Chicago yesterday to workout and meet with Chicago after an impressive pro-day. I'd say you are wrong. Wrong in a sense that he'll move onto other things aside from football. He has a long future in the NFL as a backup IMO. I'm not sure why any team would waste time and money on bringing a guy in if they don't have serious interest.

At the very least, he is guaranteed to be a free agent pick-up.
 
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I'm having a hard time keeping up with this debate over Todd's skills at the next level. Will he suck because he couldn't hold on to his starting job? Will he be a solid journeyman because he was All Big Ten? Count me among the Homers (like billmac) who think he's got a great shot in the league, at least as a strong #2 for someone. Skillwise, he seems substantially stronger than Craig Krenzel (intending no knock on Craig). But then, I was one who thought all Justin Zwick needed to shine was reps.
 
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For the record, though I think he'll be given a shot, I don't see him becoming much more than a #3/emergency QB/practice squad player for a couple of seasons. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what I foresee. I just think it's a bit myopic to outright dismiss him and say he has zero shot based on what he did in college. Many QBs had shaky college careers and went on to blossom in the league.

Krenzel got a brief shot because he fell into an ideal situation on a team with no QBs and injuries. Could happen to TB too. You never know. Hell, even John Navarre got a start in AZ.
 
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Steve19;1429674; said:
My concern with Todd as a pro is with his ability to handle pressure. I don't think he is mobile enough and he takes a lot of physical abuse in sacks. I first noticed how badly he handled pressure in the 2007 MSU game. So did opposing teams, because they put him under constant pressure thereafter. One can blame the offensive line for not giving him enough protection, but I saw something in the last interception he threw against USC that told me he would not be our starter anymore.

I also don't believe that his performance the year before was really as good as his numbers suggest. He doesn't have a cannon and many of those long TD balls he threw, in fact most of them, were thrown short. Great receivers made him look better, I think. In the big games where he could have shined, it seems reasonable to say he didn't.

As much as I like Todd and sincerely respect the way he conducted himself this year, I honestly don't think he would make a good pro quarterback. On the other hand, I am a big fan of his and think he will be a real success in life. He has what it takes.

Folks, this is a fine example of how a Buckeye can be critiqued without any bashing. Choose your words carefully when criticizing guys, and a frank evaluation of a player's abilities and potential can be done without worrying about getting a warning for bashing because you're not blowing smoke up every Buckeye's ass all of the time.
 
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billmac91;1429868; said:
except he was flown into Chicago yesterday to workout and meet with Chicago after an impressive pro-day. I'd say you are wrong. Wrong in a sense that he'll move onto other things aside from football. He has a long future in the NFL as a backup IMO. I'm not sure why any team would waste time and money on bringing a guy in if they don't have serious interest.

At the very least, he is guaranteed to be a free agent pick-up.

You know that we are all hoping he does well, right? It would be so cool to see a class act like this really get a shot at the top.
 
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Bear's would be a reasonable place to go. If they could ever find a QB they could be a force. Decent line, very good defense... they need only a QB and a couple of receivers. Hope he gets the shot.

I don't think you can blame Todd's demise soley on Todd. This was a team with a very iffy O-line. A running, scrambler type, QB could survive with this line, but a drop back passer invited anybody with a decent corner and LBs to go after him.
 
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Those still wanting to slam TB are still wrong for the same reasons. Todd didn't get the help he needed. He needed the guys up front to give him time. In the LSU game he looked fine until the line broke down. And Robiskie dropping a sure touchdown that was a game changer. (pass was perfect!) In the Illinois game the team was just flat out played.Illinois wanted it more.
How many games did he lose that can be placed on the whole team? Every one.
Illinois game= team loss.
LSU game=team loss.
Todd Boeckman is every thing a Buckeye should be!
 
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Bears to go in for another look with Buckeyes' Boeckman
By Brad Biggson March 17, 2009

The Bears are going to take a closer look at a quarterback.

The team is reported to want to follow up with Ohio State quarterback Todd Boeckman following the Buckeyes pro day last week in Columbus, Ohio. It's believed that college scouting director Greg Gabriel may have been in attendance that day.

Boeckman lost his starting job after three games last season to freshmane Terrelle Pryor but some view him as a sleeper in this year's not-so-touted class of quarterbacks.

Bears to go in for another look with Buckeyes' Boeckman - Inside the Bears
 
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Todd played well against very poor competition. Once the competition improved, he was not a good QB, fair is how he would be best described. I was one of his biggest supporters before the year began last year as I hoped/predicted he would rebound. As it turned out, he was who he is. A fair QB. Not NFL material. It's OK, Todd is still a great person and I'd assume he'll go on to great things, it just won't be on an NFL football field.
that was the knock on troy also. and pryor against the "good" teams he played against wasnt stellar either. granted id say generally speaking most qbs put up better numbers against the marginal teams than the usc/texas/penn states of the world...
 
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Sleeper: Ohio State QB Todd Boeckman
Wed, Mar 18, 2009
Rick Gosselin

Talk about a fall from grace -- Todd Boeckman was the All-Big Ten quarterback as a junior at Ohio State in 2007 but lost the job three games into his senior season to freshman Terrelle Pryor. Boeckman wasn't invited to any post-season all-star games, nor was he invited to the NFL scouting combine.

But there's a place in the NFL for a quarterback who measures 6-4 3/4, weighs 240 pounds, runs a 4.75 40 and won 13 of his 16 career starts. In his one full season as a starter at Ohio State, Boeckman completed 61 percent of his passes (191 of 299) for 2,379 yards and 25 touchdowns. He led the Big Ten in passing efficiency.

The New England Patriots once drafted a quarterback who didn't start a single college game -- and Matt Cassel proved worth the investment. When he finally got a chance to play four games into his career, he passed for 3,693 yards and 21 touchdowns and steered the Patriots to an 11-5 finish in 2008.

Boeckman strikes me as the type of prospect who could pique the interest of the Patriots or another quarterback-rich team with a low-round investment.

NFL Blog | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News
 
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TOUGH DECISION?

Tressel was asked how difficult was the decision to bench Todd Boeckman in favor of Pryor since Boeckman had been with the program so long and was a senior.

Tressel?s reply was that he owed it to the team to start the best player at every position, not just quarterback.

?But if there?s a tie, I will always go with the older guy,? Tressel said. ?I?ve been a college coach for 35 years, and I haven?t seen a tie yet.?

Sunday Special: Tressel retools OSU offense - Canton, OH - CantonRep.com
 
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Buckskin86's article he cited gets at the point the best for me. The issue as I see it is one of coaching. If Todd lacks something as a QB, what that is as far as I see is leadership. He is perhaps too quiet, as seems the case for Romo here in Dallas. That is not the end of the situation, but coaching, despite his present age--he still sounded young in that interview--but as I was saying, coaching for me will be the thing that makes him or breaks him. My Bears should get him if they can, but I do not trust the coaching for the QB position in Chicago. I would love to see what Parcels and the Dolphins could do with him, but most people to me underestimate the impact of coaching. Parcels wins with servicable QBs while other coaches need 'stars' of one callibur or another. Boeckman could be valuable for the right coach, especially if he were to sit for two years and learn. His problems with the rush to me are the sign of a QB that lacks game experience, and the leadership that goes with it. I would have understood if Boeckman was kept as the starter last year. In the bowl game against Texas this year, TOSU would have won in my opinion if Boeckman had been given more than a pass down here and there but had started the game. He was on a roll and really showed what a good passer can do, which TP did not show because of his developmental stage as a passer at this stage.

What QB would have forced TP to sit last year after the USC loss? In the history of Ohio State, only Art Schlichter seems to me talented enough to hold back TP. Others may have done it because of their superior knowledge of the game. In the long run, getting benched because of TP is not a mark against Boeckman but rather a mark in favor of TP. I think he is that good, despite his stage of development as a passer being clearly to me behind Boeckman. Anyway, this is how I see the situation and think Boeckman has enough to be a very solid pro, especially if he gets in with the right coaches and is not rushed with the expectations of immediate success. Too many people underestimate the value of system and coaching when it comes to QB success in the NFL. The condition of immediate gratification hurts many drafted players it seems to me. But that is part of life in any event. Todd needs to get the time playing in the pros. How many coaches could succeed the way Bellichek(sp) did last year with a QB who has no game experience? Not many others it seems to me. That is what real coaching can accomplish. That is as rare as a five tool baseball player or an Elway or the like. But even Elway needed a new coach to go all the way. The Steelers have the system where Todd could grow and become successful, though I doubt he would ever supplant Ben Roethlisberger. He could get the maturity to be a good QB but such a thing does not often show itself in a man's mid or early 20s. Having other pros around him would not hurt Boeckman, though the pro game is different than college no doubt. Boeckman will be a late pick is my guess. I hope it is at a place that will give him a real chance, but I still think he needs to grow up as a leader, which for his personality type takes time.
 
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brough;1435880; said:
Buckskin86's article he cited gets at the point the best for me. The issue as I see it is one of coaching. If Todd lacks something as a QB, what that is as far as I see is leadership. He is perhaps too quiet, as seems the case for Romo here in Dallas. That is not the end of the situation, but coaching, despite his present age--he still sounded young in that interview--but as I was saying, coaching for me will be the thing that makes him or breaks him. My Bears should get him if they can, but I do not trust the coaching for the QB position in Chicago. I would love to see what Parcels and the Dolphins could do with him, but most people to me underestimate the impact of coaching. Parcels wins with servicable QBs while other coaches need 'stars' of one callibur or another. Boeckman could be valuable for the right coach, especially if he were to sit for two years and learn. His problems with the rush to me are the sign of a QB that lacks game experience, and the leadership that goes with it. I would have understood if Boeckman was kept as the starter last year. In the bowl game against Texas this year, TOSU would have won in my opinion if Boeckman had been given more than a pass down here and there but had started the game. He was on a roll and really showed what a good passer can do, which TP did not show because of his developmental stage as a passer at this stage.

What QB would have forced TP to sit last year after the USC loss? In the history of Ohio State, only Art Schlichter seems to me talented enough to hold back TP. Others may have done it because of their superior knowledge of the game. In the long run, getting benched because of TP is not a mark against Boeckman but rather a mark in favor of TP. I think he is that good, despite his stage of development as a passer being clearly to me behind Boeckman. Anyway, this is how I see the situation and think Boeckman has enough to be a very solid pro, especially if he gets in with the right coaches and is not rushed with the expectations of immediate success. Too many people underestimate the value of system and coaching when it comes to QB success in the NFL. The condition of immediate gratification hurts many drafted players it seems to me. But that is part of life in any event. Todd needs to get the time playing in the pros. How many coaches could succeed the way Bellichek(sp) did last year with a QB who has no game experience? Not many others it seems to me. That is what real coaching can accomplish. That is as rare as a five tool baseball player or an Elway or the like. But even Elway needed a new coach to go all the way. The Steelers have the system where Todd could grow and become successful, though I doubt he would ever supplant Ben Roethlisberger. He could get the maturity to be a good QB but such a thing does not often show itself in a man's mid or early 20s. Having other pros around him would not hurt Boeckman, though the pro game is different than college no doubt. Boeckman will be a late pick is my guess. I hope it is at a place that will give him a real chance, but I still think he needs to grow up as a leader, which for his personality type takes time.

there are 2 extremes I am seeing, that I think are both misplaced. You have the poster who says Todd is sone with football, good luck in whatever it is you choose to pursue. You aren't good enough to play in the NFL.

And then you have the poster talking about Todd hopefully getting a chance in the right system to make himself a career.

What is wrong with Todd catching on with a team, with the understanding he is a backup? Chicago didn't fly Todd in to become the next starting QB of the Bears. NFL franchises recognize his character, and physical abilities, and see a potential backup QB. At best. In fact, I bet most teams see a 3rd string, practice QB. A guy they can call onto the squad if the backup or starter get hurt.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and he'll make a great living doing it. I am convinced Todd will make a career at the next level, I just don't think it is realistic to expect him to catch on somewhere and become a franchise QB.
 
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