Confirmed: UM's Turner did not graduate, now at TSUN

[OH10]

Personally, I think he's just trying to get out of playing in next year's game.

 

[korchiki]

Part of me doesn't want to see him pass it because of what it would do to all the scUMers but for the kid's sake, I'll go on the record as saying I hope he passes.
Still weird that a kid is able to pull a 3.4 GPA but not pass the OGTs. Seems fishy to me.

Correct me if I am wrong but I was told that teachers at most schools prepare their students for these tests. It could be that the kid is still "intelligent enough" but he has not prepared appropriately for these specific tests. Basically I am saying that he coulds till get his classwork done but anyone who thinks that the classwork leading up to the tests doesn't have a direct influcence on how a kid does is sorely mistaken.

 

[southcampus]

I remember my sophomore year being like that. Teachers teaching for the test; what's going to be on the test, test taking methods, good writing habits, etc. Once your sophomore year is over with, if you didn't pass it's not like they just keep teaching you for the tests. You go on to your junior year just like the rest of us.
It truly would be a shame to see a kid not be able to take advantage of his athletic ability but I think what is even more a shame is that a school can have a kid getting a's and b's in your system but can't pass the standards set forth by the state, which are pretty low standards at that.

 

[bigdog3300]

Correct me if I am wrong but I was told that teachers at most schools prepare their students for these tests. It could be that the kid is still "intelligent enough" but he has not prepared appropriately for these specific tests. Basically I am saying that he coulds till get his classwork done but anyone who thinks that the classwork leading up to the tests doesn't have a direct influcence on how a kid does is sorely mistaken.

They do prepare the kids big time for the test. The teachers each find out the % of kids that passed the OGT's that they taught, and that's a major factor in if they get a raise or not, and in times of lay off's it also is. The "guide book" basically tells you what to teach for it, when to teach it, how to, etc. Teachers absolutely hate it, and to be honest the test is pretty much worthless, I would say everyone should be able to pass it as a soph. but apparently that isn't true.

 

[ysubuck]

They do prepare the kids big time for the test. The teachers each find out the % of kids that passed the OGT's that they taught, and that's a major factor in if they get a raise or not, and in times of lay off's it also is. The "guide book" basically tells you what to teach for it, when to teach it, how to, etc. Teachers absolutely hate it, and to be honest the test is pretty much worthless, I would say everyone should be able to pass it as a soph. but apparently that isn't true.

That is completely untrue (at least in Ohio).

 

[Electron Boy]

That is completely untrue (at least in Ohio).

you're right, but it IS often a factor in how secure your job is.

the truth is that some kids simply don't test well for whatever reason. i'm not trying to make excuses for this guy, but i'm also not going to condemn a kid for not passing an extremely high pressure test. some kids can be great in the classroom, turn in homework on time, participate in class, write good essays, etc., but the minute that test is placed in front of them and the clock starts ticking, they clam up. other kids might have learning disabilities but still get good grades by working their butts off twice as long as other students; unfortunately that hard work often means little when faced with a timed test.

i dunno. like i said before, it's sad for the kid, and i think it's pretty wrongheaded to go "LOL WHAT A MORON" when we don't know his situation. if it turns out the guy was a lazy bum who got good grades by "accident" or with "help," then yeah, make fun of him all you want. but i'm not going to judge him until i know all the facts.

 

[buckeyefool]

They do prepare the kids big time for the test. The teachers each find out the % of kids that passed the OGT's that they taught, and that's a major factor in if they get a raise or not, and in times of lay off's it also is. The "guide book" basically tells you what to teach for it, when to teach it, how to, etc. Teachers absolutely hate it, and to be honest the test is pretty much worthless, I would say everyone should be able to pass it as a soph. but apparently that isn't true.

Here is a link to the haf length sample test before everyone starts calling this kid a moron lets see how many ace this whole test. And dont forget to read the rules in the beginning of how you have to take the test.

ODE - OGT Half-Length Practice Tests

 

[craigblitz]

I hope this a rumor only and the young man is eleigible and is able to have a great opportunity at college and opportunity to chase a dream of playing in the NFL. You should never root for a kid to fail even if he demonstrated poor taste in choosing the TSUN.. I kid.

 

[jlb1705]

Here is a link to the haf length sample test before everyone starts calling this kid a moron lets see how many ace this whole test. And dont forget to read the rules in the beginning of how you have to take the test.

ODE - OGT Half-Length Practice Tests

How could anyone NOT ace them? They link the answers right below the test! :tongue2:

 

[BUCKYLE]

the truth is that some kids simply don't test well for whatever reason. i'm not trying to make excuses for this guy...

So true. Some people just have problems with tests, period.

but i'm also not going to condemn a kid for not passing an extremely high pressure test

Eh, he has had five opportunities to take virtually the same exact test. The pressure may build after the third straight failure, but at most schools, I'd imagine that there is plenty of tutoring and prep available to anyone that needs to pass, and even more so to an athlete. I went to school with a guy that ended up going to a D1 college to play football, and the coaches would have him studying for his proficiency tests for an hour before practice each day, while everyone else was warming up and going over plays and such. It seems to me that it's one of two things...either he has a problem taking tests (learning disabled, stress, etc)...or, he didn't take it seriously until it was (almost) too late.

i dunno. like i said before, it's sad for the kid, and i think it's pretty wrongheaded to go "LOL WHAT A MORON" when we don't know his situation. if it turns out the guy was a lazy bum who got good grades by "accident" or with "help," then yeah, make fun of him all you want. but i'm not going to judge him until i know all the facts.

Who in this thread has said anything like that?

 

[BB73]

Who in this thread has said anything like that?

Most posters have been pulling for the guy to succeed. However, there was one mention of it being 'easier than a pregnancy test'. Having looked at the sample tests in buckeyefool's link, though, that doesn't appear to be the case.

 

[Electron Boy]

Most posters have been pulling for the guy to succeed. However, there was one mention of it being 'easier than a pregnancy test'. Having looked at the sample tests in buckeyefool's link, though, that doesn't appear to be the case.

it isn't. the OGT is specifically designed to be more difficult than the proficiency tests were. the threshold for passing is much lower, but i don't have a hard time believing a kid takes a look at a question like "identify the prokaryotic elements of this ribisome" and then goes "aw crap" and fails the test.

It seems to me that it's one of two things...either he has a problem taking tests (learning disabled, stress, etc)...or, he didn't take it seriously until it was (almost) too late.

totally agree with this.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Most posters have been pulling for the guy to succeed. However, there was one mention of it being 'easier than a pregnancy test'. Having looked at the sample tests in buckeyefool's link, though, that doesn't appear to be the case.

Well, the poster that said that went to Newark High School. I can tell you that if someone from Newark thinks the test is easy...it probably is.

In all seriousness...even that bit of exaggeration is a far cry from "LOL WHAT A MORON!". This board doesn't really put up with that type of thing, and it gets old when people act like it's a problem.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Here is a link to the haf length sample test before everyone starts calling this kid a moron lets see how many ace this whole test. And dont forget to read the rules in the beginning of how you have to take the test.

ODE - OGT Half-Length Practice Tests

Do I get to be taught this stuff for a whole year leading up to it, or do I have to try to remember stuff from 10 years ago when I was in high school?

Obviously I didn't take any test like this bc I grew up in PA. We took standardized tests but they didn't mean anything. I can't imagine the Ohio ones are any harder.....and the PA ones were easy as shit.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

I have a few friends from Massillon, who went to and played for the Tigers.

This is true, but he's going to be in summer school taking the tests again.