I want to see another good draft before i buy, but they're at least competitive now.
Dorsey has done a masterful job... keep drafting well and get a HC.
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I want to see another good draft before i buy, but they're at least competitive now.
Dorsey has done a masterful job... keep drafting well and get a HC.
Buckeneye
I lead, you follow.
Perhaps it's the long term trauma I've endured because of this team. Sure, watching them doesn't feel meaningless anymore. Dare I say it's even fun and rewarding.
However I'm not jumping on the "We've arrived" train yet. And I refuse to sell myself on Baker being the future until we get about this time next year. Too many examples of first year QB's showing promise
only to return to mediocrity. But I'm enjoying what this is in this moment - a young team making a playoff push in Cleveland.
However I'm not jumping on the "We've arrived" train yet. And I refuse to sell myself on Baker being the future until we get about this time next year. Too many examples of first year QB's showing promise
only to return to mediocrity. But I'm enjoying what this is in this moment - a young team making a playoff push in Cleveland.
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There is still work to be done, but they, for the first time, appear to have foundational pieces...and at the skill positions, no less...
Baker, Chubb, Landry, Garrett, Calloway, Njoku, Schobert, Ward.
Oh, they haven't arrived; but like I said above, they finally have young foundational pieces. They still need a lot of help on defense. But they have some pieces in place to build around.
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Buckeneye
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I'm glad somebody else is looking at this play. Saw that live myself, and while it worked it also raises some concerns. Hou sat all over those concepts especially the slant/flat with Duke, Njoku and Calloway to the boundary. IIRC that's how Cunningham got his first pick for the Texans. You can see the Denver MIKE backer has the line on it, but he just plays it like an asshole while Baker throws a heater.
50/50. I like seeing Bakers growth but I also realize better defenses have eaten this alive the last time we saw one.
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NFL has the video highlights up.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I cannot believe all of your negative posts and you say that you are a Browns fan. I wish I had the time to go back and read what you said about Chubb and his running style.. Not to mention Callaway. I rarely ever see anything positive coming from you regarding the Browns.
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Buckeneye
I lead, you follow.
Oh, I'm sorry... did you take a little break the last 20 years? Aside from the past 5 weeks what has there really been positive about this team that wouldn't make someone bitter?
Every fucking time they had a chance to do the right thing this ownership and front office usually went the opposite way with it. Shall I count the times even the amateur eye on this board wouldn't have fucked up 1st round picks
like these clowns have?
Also, I'm not wrong. Please, take a look at that pick before the half and some of Bakers work over the middle the last few games. The defensive blueprint from the Steelers, Chargers, Houston and last night was damn near the exact same. Fence Baker into the pocket, don't get upfield, force him to step up and read the middle. Missed Njoku 2 or 3 times last night alone. Keep in mind I'm not saying Mayfield can't continue to be my QB and that he's trash, far from it. Right now I'm happy as all hell he is in Cleveland. But there appears to be a glimpse of an issue that most here mentioned WELL before the draft that could be problematic in his career. And it's clear opposing coaches have seen at least something along those lines otherwise I wouldn't make mention of the copy-cat defensive plans.
By all means, feel free to try and disprove me. But you won't be able to.
Pre-season Chubb ran high and wasn't chopping his feet right, PLUS stopping his own momentum at times. Then Kitchens went very intensive on his work with him and it showed. I believe what I said was (to paraphrase) the kid has great potential but needs to work on the little things. I also remember saying that the interior gap runs with him weren't his strength because early on, like many rookies, would just sprint to the hole. So I said it best for the Brownies to work in that inside and outside zone game especially if they wanted to give him and Duke touches from the offset gun without changing up the blocking scheme. I specifically remember saying that watching the Eagles game in pre-season. Guess what we did after Hyde was traded and Hue was shown the door?!?!? Gee Jollie willickers, Mr Wilson - more than half our runs magically became I/O zone and single back counter work . Then Chubb flourishes. How shocking?!?!
Callaway still has an insanely high drop percentage. Sure, he has been better the last 6 weeks but I would be interested in seeing his snap counts during that time. Regardless whether you wish to come to terms with that truth is on you. Hands rarely, if EVER just magically become better once you go pro. Also a lot of numbers behind that to back up my assertion. I still worry about the routine catches with him and until he puts in a full season of work around a nominal drop rate, any logical football mind would.
You've seen a limited sample size on Calloway meanwhile I still haven't forgotten about Edwards falling off a fucking cliff after his blip of a 2007 season. Which is exactly the type of hype I used to buy into. Now as I've grown older I'm into more of playing for the long term results, cha' feel?
We're in a playoff hunt with a team that is very young. Believe me I'm excited as all hell. So much in fact I picked up tickets for next week and I'm taking my nephew to his first game. BUT, in that same light I also realize the teams we beat are very flawed. So when this season is done we'll realize what this was - beating bad teams at the right time to make a playoff push. Which I'm cool with. Know why? Because if we're beating the bad teams it means the Brownies aren't so bad and are in fact improving. I just don't want this to be a fleeting dream like we've seen before and actually keep an eye towards maintaining longevity and growth. Not handing Derek Anderson and the ghost of Jamal Lewis high paying contracts.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
No, I am sorry. I think you know from a pm that I sent you a few years ago that I go a lot further back than that. You are correct about everything that you posted. I am sorry that I even questioned you. One thing I do not understand is why you have to keep on bringing up the past. The past cannot be redone. Look to the future in everything that you do. It might help your outlook on a lot of things.
I think Otto Graham, remember when you saw him play, might have had some of the same problems as Baker and Ray Renfro had some of the problems that Callaway had when he first came into the league.
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Buckeneye
I lead, you follow.
I don't recall that particular PM but I'll check it out sometime today.
You questioned my fanhood, bruh. Yeah, going to take that one a bit personally.
You're a solid dude, and I believe that. I'm also glad to share with you the fanship that we have, including our love for the Bucks and tOSU itself. But this is laughably cliche'. It's football, not the game of life.
The past is relevant and you don't have to venture far back in this thread to see the "same old clowns" type comments that aren't even from me. Hell, go check out the Cavs and Tribe threads while you're at it. I would hope and trust you're applying this guidance consistently to some of the other fine posters on this board with a similar mindset as myself. So why you target me with a response is head scratching...?
But to answer your question - it's relevant when it comes to prediction models, trends and results. Bottom line, the Browns have not enjoyed any real measure of success and when they begin to taste it that success has been short lived. (at best) We have drafted poorly with only a couple examples to the opposite. We've been coached poorly and ownership has actively sabotaged this team at times (Manziel) I'm excited by what I see, but in reality we're all waiting for the other shoe to drop in some shape or form. Look at the Bills last year. Questionable team, beat some flawed squads along the way and relied on another team losing to get to the playoffs. Front office dismantles that entire group and are now back to being the Bills. In Cleveland, that thought hangs over your head. At least, until you win a championship.
You can't honestly tell me to ignore the past then bring up names like Otto Graham. While I love romancing those days and players, the style of play and (with maybe one or two exceptions, Jim Brown being one of them) players themselves might as well have been playing a different sport 60 years ago. In truth, Otto Graham probably wouldn't be much of an effective modern day NFL QB.
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I'll give the Browns their due. They've killed it the past 3 or so NFL Drafts.
Get a solid HC, and that's looking like a pretty dangerous Playoff team in 2019. Of all of the AFC North teams not named the Bengals, I probably dislike the Browns the least of all of them.
Get a solid HC, and that's looking like a pretty dangerous Playoff team in 2019. Of all of the AFC North teams not named the Bengals, I probably dislike the Browns the least of all of them.
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DZ83CK
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Not really. Sashi Brown was terrible at drafting the right players, the only one he got right was a no-brainer in Myles Garrett. Thankfully they got a guy who actually knew how to properly use a large number of high draft picks in Dorsey at just the right time. With another good Dorsey draft and a good HC hiring, they could easily win the AFC North next year.
Call me crazy, but I think the Browns job will be the best opening this offseason. They should get the best of whoever's available.
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If they can win the next two I'll go out on a limb and say they are the best team in the AFC North right now. They just played both Steelers games too early in the season. With another good draft and some FA signings they should actually compete for the conference next year. I'll accept the L in against the Saints since that was our shitty kickers fault, but the couple games the refs ripped away from the Browns hurt the most. Only good thing a couple more wins early in the season would have kept Hue Jackson in a job. Part of me thinks the master plan of keeping Mayfield on the bench and Hue Jackson as the coach was to get one more high draft pick before a turnaround next year. With Taylor getting hurt and Jackson/Haley being so shitty they had no choice other than to make the changes earlier than they wanted.
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I don't see how anyone can say the Browns haven't arrived.
I haven't been waiting for a Super Bowl champ or even a playoff contender.
I just wanted a fucking football team to show up. And that has arrived.
I haven't been waiting for a Super Bowl champ or even a playoff contender.
I just wanted a fucking football team to show up. And that has arrived.
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