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Buckeye autograph seekers, memorabilia collectors (all merged threads)

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1936777; said:
Hard to say. I'm not a tax lawyer, so I wouldn't know.
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Well you better figure it out, bub.

FCollinsBuckeye;1936779; said:
I'm sorry if I came off as attacking a hobby - I know BP has many autograph collectors. I have no problem with 'legit' autograph sessions, etc. I am just disgusted at the buying and selling of this stuff. Much like I'm disgusted at the buying and selling of ivory. Sure, buying some little carved ivory knicknack in some third world bazaar seems innocent enough. However, that simple act of giving someone money for that little piece of ivory encouraged the continued poaching of elephants back up the supply chain. The naive tourist didn't shoot an elephant, but he participated in that supply chain that killed a magnificent beast.

I don't want to see our magnificant beast slain, and I don't think you do either.
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I wish someone would have poached the elephant in the room a couple months ago.
 
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FCollinsBuckeye;1936779; said:
I was afraid my post would be construed as attack on 'legit' autograph seekers. However, I gave you an out, Bucklion:



You are among the former, and not the latter. I have no doubt your basement/Buckeye room is awesome. I'd love to have a few beers and watch a game in such an environment.



Herein is the problem. It is clearly not worthless. Each and every signed piece of memorablila will fetch a price. It's the 'aftermarket' that is the problem.

I'm sorry if I came off as attacking a hobby - I know BP has many autograph collectors. I have no problem with 'legit' autograph sessions, etc. I am just disgusted at the buying and selling of this stuff. Much like I'm disgusted at the buying and selling of ivory. Sure, buying some little carved ivory knicknack in some third world bazaar seems innocent enough. However, that simple act of giving someone money for that little piece of ivory encouraged the continued poaching of elephants back up teh supply chain. The naive tourist didn't shoot an elephant, but he participated in that supply chain that killed a magnificent beast.

I don't want to see our magnificant beast slain, and I don't think you do either.
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No, I know what your point is, and there is actually a lot of it I agree with, at least to an extent. I know plenty of people who try to turn a profit with the stuff, and they do it in bitchmade ways, which is why I stay away from all of that entirely. I think the major problem insofar as current players (meaning any players still in college at a given time) is that people want to feel like an "insider", and they think they can buy their way to that. That involves autographs sometimes, but a lot of other, and more sinister, things too. I think you go a bit too far with the poaching example, because with that basically ANY purchase of ivory like that comes from a dead elephant, whereas I see nothing inherently wrong with paying Hopalong Cassady 40 bucks at a public session to sign my throwback helmet...which is significantly different, say, than walking up to Braxton Miller and offering it to him. THAT would be more like buying the ivory, IMO.
 
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Nicknam4;1936770; said:
How ridiculous would it be to ban the selling of any college player's signed memorabilia? I feel like this could help solve the problem of players not resisting temptation. (Or it could make the situation much, much worse)
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The market for this stuff is huge, everywhere you go. There are fans of Sun Belt teams with rooms dedicated to Arkansas State memorabilia. The bigger the program the more avid the fans, the more this stuff happens. I know four or five guys who have entire sections of their houses completely covered with Husker memorabilia. My brother-in-law's basement is 100% covered, every wall - even the ceiling.

But it's not just memorabilia. Even if you could ban that, it'd be time spent with the athletes. Dinner, visiting the tailgate, golf, whatever - there's a segment of every single fan base that will spend big bucks to have greater association with the team, players, coaches, whatever. You can't change this, unfortunately, all you can do is educate your players and coaches and administration to a reasonable degree and hope they follow the rules.
 
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Bucklion;1936786; said:
I think you go a bit too far with the poaching example, because with that basically ANY purchase of ivory like that comes from a dead elephant, whereas I see nothing inherently wrong with paying Hopalong Cassady 40 bucks at a public session to sign my throwback helmet...which is significantly different, say, than walking up to Braxton Miller and offering it to him. THAT would be more like buying the ivory, IMO.
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I agree completely. My whole problem with 'after market' signatures is for current players who are accordingly governed by NCAA rules.

see what I did there?

I wrote the elephant analogy for no other reason than to type 'magnificent beast' a few times.

Nice, I got to type it again. :p
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1936755; said:
The NCAA, in my opinion, needs to decide - are we a business or are we an amateur sports organization. They can't have it both ways, I don't think.
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The Olympics have it both ways, and they don't pay athletes. The one thing they do allow, however, is for athletes to sign marketing deals and retain "amateur" status.

I think a lot of this NCAA stuff could be resolved by letting the marketable players sign marketing deals. Most won't have the opportunity but the 3rd string punter isn't getting anything more than his academic scholie now. That wouldn't change.

Meanwhile, if OSU sells 40,000 jerseys that just happen to be the number of the starting QB, they can actually put his name on the back and he can get a piece of the pie from Nike. It's open, above board, and reduces financial temptation for things that get coaches and programs in trouble.
 
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