LovelandBuckeye said:

She looks mid AF. But good for Carson Beck who looks like the poster boy for a Special Olympics campaign.

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Downgraded apparently for cheating

Sawyer with an int. Throwing up the O-H afterwards.

buckeyemania11 said:

Jay Hills whole career is either at Utah Weber State or BYU. It's a big step up in competition and a big change when it comes to the type of program and what you have to deal with at said type of program. I'm sure DFBIA sees this as a slam dunk but he wasn't upgrading jobs until Whittingham got hired late at scUM. He's been good at BYU but moving to scUM is a completely different monster, especially when they've been used to NFL caliber DCs, now they are saddled back with a pure college guy.

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He also apparently is Whittingham's white whale. He tried to hire him twice as DC in Utah apparently.

Id agree that normal bowl games are probably a poor measuring stick now but you can't have it both ways. It can't mean SEC DOMINANCE when the SEC does well and then the next time be totally meaningless when the SEC doesn't do well.

Mike80 said:

Sooner or later the SEC SEC SEC sisterfucking morons will resume sucking their own dicks about how tough their conference is....right now we're entering EXCUSE SEASON

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If you go back to old old threads, I made one about BCS facts for your SEC friends. It was about 20 years ago now.

I showed the exact same type of thing- the matchups were almost always a higher placed, higher ranked SEC team playing an underdog Big Ten team in the SEC home footprint.

Oddly enough, ESPN and SEC dick swingers never acknowledged it. They just pointed to the same Bowl scoreboard that @BB73 just showed and that was it.

osuvictory1 said:

They literally hired the BYU DC. LOL!. Their setting themselves up for having to pay for their roster.

That dude isn't going to be able to simply walk into a school in Columbus/Cleveland, or a high school in GA or FL and just create a relationship that never existed.

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OTOH, BYU is a notorious cheap-shotting team throughout the years, so he'll fit in there.

Buckeye86 said:

Utah record

2016 - 9-4
2017 - 7-6
2018 - 9-5
2019 - 11-3 (probably cheating?)
2020 - 3-2
2021 - 10-4 (accused of cheating)
2022 - 10-4 (accused of cheating)
2023 - 8-5
2024 - 5-7
2025 - 10-2 (trash schedule)

UM record

2016 - 10-3
2017 - 8-5
2018 - 10-3
2019 - 9-4
2020 - 2-4
2021 - 12-2 (cheating)
2022 - 13-1 (cheating)
2023 - 15-0 (cheating)
2024 - 8-5
2025 - 9-3 (trash schedule)

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I mean sign stealing isn't cheating much like it isn't in baseball it's how they went about getting them

scarletngray said:

It just depends. Tressel made the step up from YSU to Ohio State and brought some assistants with him. Urban made the step up from Utah to Florida. Cignetti from JMU to Indiana and brought some assistants with him. It can be done. But, I hope that you are right.

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Urban had Greg Mattison and Charlie Strong as Co-DCs, these were guys who had plenty of experience nationally. Mattison at scUM and ND and Strong at South Carolina and Florida before Meyer got there. Urban also had plenty of experience outside of that mormon sphere as well. He was only at Utah for 2 years.

Whittingham shoulda brought in at least one coordinator with more experience outside of that sphere to help with the transition. The guys he's bringing are all guys whove basically spent their whole careers in that bubble

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Oh boy...

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Little late for that with helmet coms

Oh boy...

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I’m sorry but if you give up 365 yards to anyone that’s something to remember. They beat up on a very poor ACC.

If you think about it. Miami/ND/AM are literally identical to each other. They’re roughly the same talent level and same program.

We all know what ND/OSU looks like and that’s about what we have here. All that to say Miami can certainly win this game but it’s not likely.

Of course DFBIA thinks a big influx of Utah and BYU coaches is landscape changing. Nothing screams national title contenders like Utah and BYU!

That Ja'Marr Chase touchdown was filthy.

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woofermazing said:

I dunno, Jay Hill is known for his defense being Jim Knowles level complicated to learn. Bringing in new guys every year might not work out as intended.

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I hadn't really thought about this, but you make a good point about a change in the game. If your plan is to bring in a bunch of mercenaries for a year or maybe two, you better be bringing top talent or a DC who can manipulate his D to fit his personnel (very few can do this).

It'll be interesting to see how Cignetti s "we're just a bunch of misfits " shtick plays to the next batch of .... who? His previous gig is dry to him, more or less. At least as much as any other schools players are.

Edit: all to say, Dion is a cautionary tale here as well. In college, maybe culture and development matter. And, of course, let's not pretend college isn't a developmental league.

Jay Hills whole career is either at Utah Weber State or BYU. It's a big step up in competition and a big change when it comes to the type of program and what you have to deal with at said type of program. I'm sure DFBIA sees this as a slam dunk but he wasn't upgrading jobs until Whittingham got hired late at scUM. He's been good at BYU but moving to scUM is a completely different monster, especially when they've been used to NFL caliber DCs, now they are saddled back with a pure college guy.

BB73 said:

Here we are a little over halfway through the bowls:

CONFERENCE (BOWL TEAMS)	RECORD	WINNING PERCENTAGE
AMERICAN	4-3, 2 left	.571
ACC	5-3, 4 left	.625
BIG 12	2-0, 6 left	1.000
BIG TEN	5-0, 7 left	1.000
CONFERENCE USA	3-3, 1 left	.500
INDEPENDENTS	0-1, done	.000
MAC	2-3, done	.400
MOUNTAIN WEST	2-5, done	.286
PAC-12	1-0, done	1.000
SEC	2-4, 6 left	.333
SUN BELT	2-4, 3 left	.333

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Congratulations to the PAC-12 for winning the bowl % championship.

osuvictory1 said:

They literally hired the BYU DC. LOL!. Their setting themselves up for having to pay for their roster.

That dude isn't going to be able to simply walk into a school in Columbus/Cleveland, or a high school in GA or FL and just create a relationship that never existed.

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ScAM Webb is reporting that Whittingham is going to fill the staff with 7 or 8 guys from Utah/BYU. this is complete mediocrity in the making. Those guys work well in the vacuum of those programs but the odds of them fitting in well at scUM are not very good

On the field strategy isn't a total culture shock like it was with Rich Rod but literally everything else will be a radical change.

The SEC knob gobblers spend all year claiming that teams like Missouri and LSU would be national title contenders in any other conference, then when they lose to said other conference teams in bowl season want to claim that the games dont matter. Annually predictable

Mike80 said:

All the same, it was fun as shit to watch Mizzou get man-balled by Virginia last night all over the field

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Virginia was without their star RB too, but you won't hear any of the usual hacks mention that, only what Missouri didn't have.

Missouri QB started the last 3 games and had all kinds of time to prep for this game. It wasn't a Ohio State vs Missouri bowl game type situation even though that's what they are trying to make it out to be. They also had both of their stud RBs playing as noted before

buckeyemania11 said:

They pimped Missouri big time as a "quality win" for Bama and OU.

Missouri did not beat a single team with a winning record.

Missouri had both their RBs who combined for 2400 and 22 TDs playing last night and still only managed 7 points against Virginia.....won't stop the "durrr doesn't mean anything" excuses though.

Virginia is definitely outside of the top 5 if they played all season in the B1G or SEC the ACC is only marginally better than the AAC this year.

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All the same, it was fun as shit to watch Mizzou get man-balled by Virginia last night all over the field