Zem said:

Klosterman interview about his book. The "death of football" is just a small section of it.

"...in the book I kind of argue what I think's going to happen to football in 60 or 70 years. There are economic issues - particularly with television, advertising, some of these things - that as they balloon to even greater and greater heights, where the amount of money is so great that the NFL can only continue expanding, it does become fragile. ..."

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buckeyemania11 said:

I don't think football will ever "end" but I think definitely the NFL and college are both going to be eventually faced with situations where they have to do a hard reset

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Jaxbuck said:

Like any business-sell more to the same customer or go find new markets to sell your stuff into.

Obvious answer for NFL is new markets.

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Zem said:

For now, I guess. But in 60 years? I don't see Mumbai or Santiago being real excited to join the nfl. I'll be like, enough already. But dissecting the author's reasoning requires reading the book, or maybe the NYT article, and I have yet to do either. Besides, I can't get past the disadvantages for a team flying 9+ hours to play football.

For college, as I stated earlier, we're the only country on the planet that has college sports anywhere near this level.

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BuckBackHome said:

ESPiN ranks Browns at position number 32 for next season. Seems high to me;-)

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Woody1968 said:

Also don't underestimate how much the SEC and ACC country hates us.

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Woody1968 said:

It is definitely the result of Indiana being in there and playing against what is seen by many as a blue blood. Nobody really cares about Notre Dame anymore, and I don't think anyone expected that game to be competitive. Also don't underestimate how much the SEC and ACC country hates us.

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buckeyemania11 said:

Any NFL franchise that would even consider hiring a guy who has a 16-21 record coaching major college football as their head coach deserves to fold. It's easy to say "no way" when nobody is ever going to ask.

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Jaxbuck said:

Like any business-sell more to the same customer or go find new markets to sell your stuff into.

Obvious answer for NFL is new markets.

CFB is the one that will hit a hard wall there. They better start coming up with some additional products/services.

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Mike80 said:

Holtmann 6
Matta 13
O'Brien 7
Ayers 8
Williams 3
Miller 8

I'll have to do that tomorrow. Taylor damn near 3-peated and then was meh for most of the rest of his tenure. Miller started slow and got better until they canned him after winning the NIT in 1986....in the timeframe I went from. Miller had only been the coach for 2 years with zero tournament appearances...

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billmac91 said:

I’m too lazy to go find it, but curious the game splits of Mitchell and Harden on court together?

Probably hard to implement Game 1, but there should really never be a scenario in a game where one of them is off the court…..in a competitive game.

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brodybuck21 said:

How many years for each total? Would like to see Fred Taylor's numbers even though it's before the time frame you chose

Eldon Miller - 13

Gary Williams - 3

Randy Ayers - 12

Jim O'Brien - 14

Thad Matta - 40

Chris Holtmann - 11

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BigWoof31 said:

For those of you who didn't have the pleasure of playing Seattle this year (haha) - I assure you they do this to most teams.
Only the Rams and Stafford have the ability to solve their puzzle.

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Mike80 said:

Here's the thing though - that's NEVER been Ohio State historically, until Thad Matta that is. Thad Matta looks evermore like a complete unicorn in this program's history and since we're past 20 years since he was hired, and nearly 10 years since he was let go, the landscape of college basketball has changed entirely but Ohio State is still playing it like it's 2005.

To go full sports dork on you, I assigned a numerical value to every tournament appearance (25 out of 48 seasons if you were wondering and if you count O'Brien's 4 tournament years) from 1978-79 onward. This year was picked as it was the year of the Magic/Bird rivalry and the beginning of the modern era of College Basketball. The tournament expanded in 1985.

Anyway - of those 25 appearances, Matta REALLY stands out as the unicorn I keep saying he was with 9 of the 25 total appearances...I assigned each tournament result a number, from 7 (which is playing in the national final) to 1, which would be playing in but losing a play-in game, which hasn't happened yet. Here are the results:

Eldon Miller - 13
Gary Williams - 3
Randy Ayers - 12
Jim O'Brien - 14
Thad Matta - 40
Chris Holtmann - 11

It was an absolute stroke of luck (or genius) to hire Matta with the sanctions and whatnot that were ongoing at the time. As it is, he's the ONLY coach to elevate this program past its historical mean and he basically got run out of town. Without the Matta era, this program is moribund.

It's not that it can't happen - it's been proven it CAN. Should is another matter entirely. "Should" is earned, not a given. As far as that goes, there isn't a quick fix here - and anyone pretending that a new coach is going to magically fix everything is delusional.

It's going to take time, much increased NIL, a better or at least updated game atmosphere and a bigger national recruiting effort (international as well). All of it is going to take a much more aggressive focus from the AD to get it done.

Let us also remember that at Ohio State, if they are making money, the dog won't bark too loudly. That's just reality. Football is making money for the ENTIRE AD.

FWIW I don't think Diebler gets fired unless they somehow lose the rest of their games this year. I think they give him the 2nd full year (this is the 2nd full year) before putting on the pressure to win now in year 3. That said, if they DO pull the trigger, they cannot miss on the next hire and they absolutely must have a contingency plan (i.e. NOT what Ped State did when they fired Franklin)....and if they DO miss and that coach gets canned in 2 or 3 seasons, that rep of being a coaching graveyard at a football-focused school becomes harder to beat.

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Mike80 said:

It's going to take time, much increased NIL, a better or at least updated game atmosphere and a bigger national recruiting effort (international as well). All of it is going to take a mu
FWIW I don't think Diebler gets fired unless they somehow lose the rest of their games this year. I think they give him the 2nd full year (this is the 2nd full year) before putting on the pressure to win now in year 3. That said, if they DO pull the trigger, they cannot miss on the next hire and they absolutely must have a contingency plan (i.e. NOT what Ped State did when they fired Franklin)....and if they DO miss and that coach gets canned in 2 or 3 seasons, that rep of being a coaching graveyard at a football-focused school becomes harder to beat.

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DaveyBoy said:

I’m mostly there. But what got Thad fired was 2 years in a row out of the tourney and the talent level looking like they would miss the next year as well. So the bare minimum is 50% of the time in the NCAA….every other year. At least half of those tourney visits should go to S16. I really don’t think those are too much for Ohio State. 50% of the time in NCAA……25% of the time in the S16. 1 FF every 8 to 10 years.

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Jaxbuck said:

On Lawrence Welk's Birthday?

You insensitive pricks.

Have you no shame?

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