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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

ORD_Buckeye
DaddyBigBucks said:
There are several things that make this case unique in NCAA history. But one thing in particular stands out: Victims

The only other scandals that I can think of where there were victims were:
1) Some criminal at an institution victimized other members of the institution or people from the surrounding community (Sandusky et al)
2) The institution broke rules that robbed their own student-athletes of the education that was their only compensation for their skill at the time (North Carolina)

In both of the above cases, the victims were individuals. Not other teams.

OK... sure... when you play ineligible players, the other team has less of a chance of beating you. But to me that really tortures the definition of "victim". When you consider that some of our past All-Americans had stories of not having enough money to do laundry when they were in school (even though their tiny stipend was literally called "laundry money"): it seems clear that some of OSU's best players received no impermissible benefits. So did the players who did receive such benefits only attend Ohio State because of those benefits? I'm sorry, but that beggars belief; especially when those benefits were famously available elsewhere.

Semantics aside, there can be no quibbling about whether there are victims of the Cheaters' scheme. They stole signs from other teams using impermissible means. Then they used those stolen signs to gain a clear, unfair advantage. The people that they scouted and recorded (both of those things being illegal) were thus victimized directly by this scheme. Not some advantage obtained because some schools had more rogue boosters than others... A direct, intentional victimization of one institution by another.

The lengthy missive about what the COI is doing said that they like to check their boxes and stay "within the matrix". How in the blue hell is this anywhere in the vicinity of the matrix? This was not rogue boosters providing a difficult to quantify advantage. This was an institution stealing 3 straight championships when they had only been within sniffing distance of a championship once in the previous 10 season. Whatever precedent they think applies to this; they think wrong. As has been said many times before: There is no precedent. There is no matrix to fill out. This is something completely unique and it calls for a unique response. If it does not receive a unique response; I will officially be done with college football. I'm hanging on by my fingernails as it is.
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I put it this way. Ohio State is always accused of being the football factory, so we bend over backwards not to be one, and there's plenty of evidence: firing Woody, giving Cooper that ridiculously long leash, turning Tressel in when it would have been the easiest thing in the world to bury, Robie & Hyde's suspensions, running Urban off. When I returned to Columbus for a few years in the early 00s, I dated a professor. She and her friends would readily admit that while many of the football players weren't up to snuff academically, they were never given special treatment, and the AD was extremely vigilant about any academic fraud occurring.

Contrast that with tsun. They are both utterly self-obsessed and convinced of their purity. They don't feel any need to "try to not be a football factory" because in the core of their being they couldn't possibly conceive of ever being one and thus coaches in all four major sports have felt the freedom to be the worst hockey, baseball, basketball and football factories they could be. One of their former players actually wrote a book about how rotten the program was under Schembechler.
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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

Oh8ch
sparcboxbuck said:
Pro tip: Coconut oil. Not joking.
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  • Moisturizing: Coconut oil is known for its moisturizing properties, which can be helpful during masturbation.
  • Thicker than water-based or silicone lubricants: It can provide a thicker and more satisfying lubrication.
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Chunky Peanut Butter has its share of problems, but the dog seems to like it.
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CincyInterloper
charlohiottean said:
Long but informative from 11W:
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Harbaugh will not attend the hearing, according to his lawyer Tom Mars.
"He probably doesn't even know a hearing is going in," Mars told The Detroit News. "He's probably tending his chickens in L.A. or taking them to the beach."
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Harbaugh takes his chickens to the beach?
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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, etc.

DaddyBigBucks
There are several things that make this case unique in NCAA history. But one thing in particular stands out: Victims

The only other scandals that I can think of where there were victims were:
1) Some criminal at an institution victimized other members of the institution or people from the surrounding community (Sandusky et al)
2) The institution broke rules that robbed their own student-athletes of the education that was their only compensation for their skill at the time (North Carolina)

In both of the above cases, the victims were individuals. Not other teams.

OK... sure... when you play ineligible players, the other team has less of a chance of beating you. But to me that really tortures the definition of "victim". When you consider that some of our past All-Americans had stories of not having enough money to do laundry when they were in school (even though their tiny stipend was literally called "laundry money"): it seems clear that some of OSU's best players received no impermissible benefits. So did the players who did receive such benefits only attend Ohio State because of those benefits? I'm sorry, but that beggars belief; especially when those benefits were famously available elsewhere.

Semantics aside, there can be no quibbling about whether there are victims of the Cheaters' scheme. They stole signs from other teams using impermissible means. Then they used those stolen signs to gain a clear, unfair advantage. The people that they scouted and recorded (both of those things being illegal) were thus victimized directly by this scheme. Not some advantage obtained because some schools had more rogue boosters than others... A direct, intentional victimization of one institution by another.

The lengthy missive about what the COI is doing said that they like to check their boxes and stay "within the matrix". How in the blue hell is this anywhere in the vicinity of the matrix? This was not rogue boosters providing a difficult to quantify advantage. This was an institution stealing 3 straight championships when they had only been within sniffing distance of a championship once in the previous 10 season. Whatever precedent they think applies to this; they think wrong. As has been said many times before: There is no precedent. There is no matrix to fill out. This is something completely unique and it calls for a unique response. If it does not receive a unique response; I will officially be done with college football. I'm hanging on by my fingernails as it is.
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Home Repairs/HoneyDo List/Advice & Tips/etc.

RuGettinIt
iambrutus said:
so i had it on the agenda to do the siding on the shed this year, however upon further/closer inspection of the shed, I believe that would be putting lipstick on the pig. So I will not be replacing the siding, but hopeful to replace the entire shed next spring. Shifting focus to the yard this summer. I still am in recovery mode for the back yard after the patio replacement last summer. I need to get top soil delivered and level some spots, as well as a bunch of bare spots that never recovered last year.

the mrs has also added a few items to "our" list, minor bathroom remodel and updating tile of the entry way. We bought this place 8 years ago with full knowledge this was a house with a bunch of needs.

my mother in law's house has also become a project place for me - so i've got a busy summer ahead of me
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Best wishes brother. I’m rehabbing a 1945 house and it’s slow going. Getting a little old and might need to fire some stuff out
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Crump's brother
Captain Buckeye said:
You know what’s also weird?

Your star player investing in a “vacuum repair business”.

Not sure about any of you but when someone pitches me investments I perk up a bit when I hear the brands shark and General Electric thrown around.
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Kevin Dyson being the only exception, of course
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NFBuck
charlohiottean said:
Long but informative from 11W:

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Weave77 1 HOUR AGO
Here's a good article from The Detroit News that details what a COI hearing is like. I included some of the more interesting parts below:
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Harbaugh will not attend the hearing, according to his lawyer Tom Mars.
"He probably doesn't even know a hearing is going in," Mars told The Detroit News. "He's probably tending his chickens in L.A. or taking them to the beach."
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Getting the fuck outta Dodge affords one the opportunity to be glib.
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BuckeyeNation27
BUCKYLE said:
The penalties won't be public until then right? I thought they were informing tsun what they are today. Otherwise what the hell are they doing today?
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There's a good, sorta long link somebody posted here that was from a poster on 11w. It explains exactly what this meeting was and what it wasn't. Essentially, it's the first real opportunity for the COI to sit face to face with Michigan and tell them "this is what we know you did. Can you pull anything out of your ass that will explain why it shouldn't be punished severely?". Short of that rich booster married to a gold digging Michigan grad paying off the COI, no...there's not.

If I wasn't lazy I'd go find the link, bc it was interesting. It talks about how some people actually involved might not know the full scope of what the NCAA knows and can prove. Which I totally buy. Obviously the coaches know what they did, and obviously the evidence was laid out in the NOA. But Michigan seems like the kind of place where the higher ups that actually got their eyes on the NOA wouldn't tell the rest of the program what's on it. Just seems like a Michigan thing to do. I also doubt everyone involved knows what dirt Clinksdale and the other guy that turned states evidence gave up.

If everything PremierDrum and others have said is accurate, and I don't have a reason to doubt them, I bet the prevailing thought running through the heads of the Michigan people in attendance is "oh fuck".
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