And I understand that the purpose of the last meeting was NOT to fire, but to discuss steps to address the issue.

Gunlife said:

If you dont think USF can compete your crazy. Shit just 5 years ago UCF was always in the running for the playoffs. FL has talent everywhere and the population has exploded over the last 5 years. I will be shocked if USF isn't a top 15 team in 2 years

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Yes because USF has always been a juggernaut we’ve competed against for recruits.

You’re right about UCFs rise under Frost. And now they still aren’t a threat. How many big recruiting battles have we lost to these schools?

Jagdaddy said:

Top shelf talent that USF is unlikely to land in lieu of us, yes, but not so much the in-state developmental high ceiling prospects that a decent USF program can keep away from the the bigger conference Florida schools that OSU is more likely to run into and that we tend to get from Ohio (#specialpowers). As for transfers, I’d rather see strong talent that can’t quite see the field much for us, steered out of the Big Ten. E.g., if Lincoln Kienholz decides to seek more opportunity elsewhere, I’d rather see him at USF than at some place like MSU, PSU, or UW.

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So let me get this straight. You want to gift wrap 4 and 5 star players that OSU has invested millions into and give them to a coach that has been learning the inner workings of your organization for almost a decade? Also at that point all those 4 and 5 star guys will have a chip on their shoulders...

You guys can't be this nieve in your day to day life

Jaxbuck said:

Yeah they need to look at all of it. Play designs, tendencies, personnel groups, game plans the lot.

They can’t do anything about the IOL at this point, that’s the only structural issue.

The rest is coaching really and to be fair, I have little to no doubt they can do it. Coaching offensive football has never been a bitch of mine about Day.

If I am generalizing, Redzone stuff and place kicking have been the weaknesses that show up with some level of consistency over his tenure.

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Don’t forget punt returning, although that seems to finally be at least competent over the last few weeks.

Yeah they need to look at all of it. Play designs, tendencies, personnel groups, game plans the lot.

They can’t do anything about the IOL at this point, that’s the only structural issue.

The rest is coaching really and to be fair, I have little to no doubt they can do it. Coaching offensive football has never been a bitch of mine about Day.

If I am generalizing, Redzone stuff and place kicking have been the weaknesses that show up with some level of consistency over his tenure.

ORD_Buckeye said:

Urban's shaking his damned head thinking, "I took the wrong dream job."

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OSU overreacted and scUM will do nothing at all. It’s crazy to me that people can’t find middle ground.

RugbyBuck said:

I’ve had a chance to breathe now, and scum imploding has been a nice bonus. I’d like to see these clowns again in the CFP final. I think they played their best and we played if not our worst, close to it and lost by three. I don’t see us taking them lightly and that happening again.

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As much as it sucked losing to these asshats, I felt that are chances of repeating as Natty Champs went up. Wake up call .....

Since it’s roughly Xmas-time, my grandmother would say, “Y’all listen here, that boy’s about to throw them moneychangers out the temple, you hear?”

Jaxbuck said:

Dr Demento…..now there is a blast from the past. Wow.

Love it

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+1

Gunlife said:

We dont get any recruits from FL? Wtf are you talking about. Listen I wish the world was a better place. Its not. Go read about all the crazy shenanigans that happen while these 18year olds are being recruited, its nuts.

I wish Hartline well, sincerely, but it's sink or swim for him. Thats just the nature of the beast.

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Top shelf talent that USF is unlikely to land in lieu of us, yes, but not so much the in-state developmental high ceiling prospects that a decent USF program can keep away from the the bigger conference Florida schools that OSU is more likely to run into and that we tend to get from Ohio (#specialpowers). As for transfers, I’d rather see strong talent that can’t quite see the field much for us, steered out of the Big Ten. E.g., if Lincoln Kienholz decides to seek more opportunity elsewhere, I’d rather see him at USF than at some place like MSU, PSU, or UW.

Gunlife said:

Everyone in division 1 ball is our enemy man. Every team out there can take recruits. You need to be a fucking savage to compete at this level. I was hoping Day had become a hardcore savage after that loss to TTUN last year. I hope I am right.

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Lol, no they aren't. The lion doesn't concern themselves with the goings on of the sheep. Nobody has the energy to have 300+ enemies.

I think Hartline will be like Urban. Absolutely a Buckeye to his core but while he isn’t on staff he’s going to go compete as hard as anyone. He won’t cut his own throat to do a coach at OSU any favors.

The biggest favor Urban did when he wasn’t the coach here was to call off the dogs on Tressel in 2006 after spending three quarters fisting his beloved Buckeyes. It’s just business at that level.

Hartline could absolutely end up taking some Florida recruits from us. Listen, in this day and age, if Texas Tech and IU can be a problem so can USF with a coach like Hartline. To dismiss it out of hand is being naive imo.

Jaxbuck said:

There can be no doubt. That’s what I’m getting at. Normal to good culture and that department gets a Silkwood level scrub down.

ScUM culture on the other hand says no big deal, Leaders and Best so whatever we do really can’t be that bad because we start out at baseline better than everyone else.

It’s not hyperbole. Thats how they are.

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Urban's shaking his damned head thinking, "I took the wrong dream job."

calibuck said:

I take pride in that … my staff … is the third leg of the stool

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Wish I could say the same.

ORD_Buckeye said:

It's not Warde. It's not Harbaugh or Sharronna or any of the other miscreants on that staff. It's not Juwanna. It's the cultural rot, arrogance and victimhood fetish that is the core institutional identity of the place. Simply changing out players won't change their game.

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There can be no doubt. That’s what I’m getting at. Normal to good culture and that department gets a Silkwood level scrub down.

ScUM culture on the other hand says no big deal, Leaders and Best so whatever we do really can’t be that bad because we start out at baseline better than everyone else.

It’s not hyperbole. Thats how they are.

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I said a few pages back, I have worked in places (one in particular) that would take a neutron bomb to the department from Warde down just for the Moore stuff. Forget anything else had ever happened under his watch. People are gone, only the building and furniture remain.

They literally take the "nuke the site from orbit/only way to be sure" view of dipping the pen in company ink. Fire everybody's ass (correctly) to ensure you get the right one(s).

The staffer didn't get that raise unnoticed. There is no way.

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It's not Warde. It's not Harbaugh or Sharronna or any of the other miscreants on that staff. It's not Juwanna. It's the cultural rot, arrogance and victimhood fetish that is the core institutional identity of the place. Simply changing out players won't change their game.

DZ83CK said:

I had an idea today. So instead of Mr Brightside, perhaps UM could pivot to the Everlast hit "What it's like" ... "Now his wife and his kids are caught in the midst of all of his pain/You know it crumbles that way, at least that's what they say when you play the game/God forbid you ever had to wake up to hear the news/Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to lose".

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If they want to go all 70s soft rock, might I suggest.

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SEREbuckeye said:

Everyone is coming out with receipts.

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Does Mars represent Warde?

Zippercat said:

I’ve been a Weird Al fan since the very early days when he was regularly played on the Dr. Demento radio show. Listened every Sunday evening in college days.

Dr. Demento - Wikipedia

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Dr Demento…..now there is a blast from the past. Wow.

Love it