Wake me up when the AD starts taking basketball seriously.

Jagdaddy said:

That’s reasonable. The BIG seems to have four tiers this year. A few elite teams, a few solid tournament teams that are substantially better than Ohio State, Ohio State (and maybe a couple of teams with them) and then absolute garbage that’s substantially worse than Ohio State.

Where I think you and I may differ is that I think that a better coach could get these guys to play both harder and smarter and that they have sufficient talent to be a one weekend tournament team and I’m not sure you’d agree with that. Whether we can attract such a coach (I think there’s a fair amount of room for improvement between Diebler and someone established and elite) is an open question. I’d give Diebler another year, but don’t expect much from it.

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I think Diebler should get another year honestly.

But that year has to be a year where you provide him with enough resources to not set it (the program) up for failure to prove to whoever you want to come in that you're willing to spend to get to the promised land. And if that does happen (it likely won't), but if it does happen, then if Deibler improves you got your guy for a bit more. If not, then firing him is easier and no one will seriously question it.

But it all comes down to putting out as an athletic department. And it's an AD that I think might be cooking the books a bit to show a 'profit' of $15Million....that seemed odd to me at any rate and I don't think I'm alone in that sentiment.

Anyway, without that, you're going to get another G5 coach who likely won't get the job done with the current scant portal resources.

OR, even worse, a Penn-state-after-Franklin situation where all your top candidates use you as leverage to go somewhere else and are very public about it.

Either or - it doesn't matter in the end unless the AD is willing to recognize it's not 2005 anymore and the landscape has changed.

buckeyemania11 said:

Dominant 8th inning by Edrington 1-2-3 3 strikeouts

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I Iike that

Why doesnt Grujic play at all???

Mike80 said:

I seriously doubt Diebler would be scrambling for any assistant job. Dude is respected as an assistant at the very minimum.

AS for the other one - who knows? By definition, that theoretical is not able to be determined. My opinion is he'd be in consideration just about anywhere that needs a coach and saying so is just as valid as your opinion and can be proven just as much as yours...

Silly theoretical musings that will lead no where do nothing to fix anything by the way.

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Maybe some low low level program gives him a head coaching job but he wasn't getting a HEAD coaching job at a major conference school.

Im still baffled at how scared chatman looked

One of the biggest bullshit losses I've seen. Mobley being injured saved Virginia's ass.

buckeyemania11 said:

Let's be honest and answer this question. Is Diebler even in any consideration for a power conference head coaching job if ohio State didn't just hand the job to him? I think the answer is a clear no, he's probably scrambling around looking for another assistant job (or maybe Holtmann takes him to DePaul with him)

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I seriously doubt Diebler would be scrambling for any assistant job. Dude is respected as an assistant at the very minimum.

AS for the other one - who knows? By definition, that theoretical is not able to be determined. My opinion is he'd be in consideration just about anywhere that needs a coach and saying so is just as valid as your opinion and can be proven just as much as yours...

Silly theoretical musings that will lead no where do nothing to fix anything by the way.

We may very well lose every game left on the schedule. And the AD would come out with some BS statement like "While we aren't where we want to be Coach Diebler is still meeting expectations". Joke program

Dominant 8th inning by Edrington 1-2-3 3 strikeouts

Mike80 said:

I wouldn't say less. I'd say not enough.

But that comes with a huge caveat that I think this roster is a lot closer to Maryland or Ped State talent-wise than TCUN/Sparty/Illinois/etc....they're in the middle of the pack but I think this group has actually overachieved at this point in time.

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That’s reasonable. The BIG seems to have four tiers this year. A few elite teams, a few solid tournament teams that are substantially better than Ohio State, Ohio State (and maybe a couple of teams with them) and then absolute garbage that’s substantially worse than Ohio State.

Where I think you and I may differ is that I think that a better coach could get these guys to play both harder and smarter and that they have sufficient talent to be a one weekend tournament team and I’m not sure you’d agree with that. Whether we can attract such a coach (I think there’s a fair amount of room for improvement between Diebler and someone established and elite) is an open question. I’d give Diebler another year, but don’t expect much from it.

Mike80 said:

At the time, he was winning at a 65-67% clip and making the tournament every year. Literally no AD on the planet is letting the coach walk in that situation - edit to add - and this ignores the global pandemic we were still sorta in at the time.

I get you hate the coaching decisions but let's at least try to be honest about the context here.

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Let's be honest and answer this question. Is Diebler even in any consideration for a power conference head coaching job if ohio State didn't just hand the job to him? I think the answer is a clear no, he's probably scrambling around looking for another assistant job (or maybe Holtmann takes him to DePaul with him)

buckeyemania11 said:

This goes beyond Holtmann. They completely botched the Matta situation too. It was time to move on but they did it in about the worst way possible. That leads to Holtmann and then the inexplicable Holtmann extension that probably led the University to care about spending when it comes to basketball even less. Gene Smith really screwed us here.

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At the time, he was winning at a 65-67% clip and making the tournament every year. Literally no AD on the planet is letting the coach walk in that situation - edit to add - and this ignores the global pandemic we were still sorta in at the time.

I get you hate the coaching decisions but let's at least try to be honest about the context here.

Wingate1217 said:

32 ft to 9…..what in the heck have we done to piss off the refs? I would like to know the stats on free throws this year home and away…..

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That illustrates the lack of movement on offense. No one is cutting to the basket and putting the defense in bad spots other than Bruce and he gets hip-checked every time he enters the lane.

Up 6-3 top 8

Mike80 said:

I think they should have waited until that next off-season to fire Holtmann really. Doing it in-season allowed for the dead cat bounce that got Diebler the job.

This is ignoring the fact that Holtmann was winning at a percentage higher than the program's all-time after. Diebler is as well. Sadly, unless a fundamental change happens in the AD offense in terms of where it wants its basketball program to be, this is what this program has been for the majority of the modern era....and right now the Big Ten is as tough as it's ever been historically. Bad time to run the best coach the program has ever seen out of town (Matta) and then pretend that the program will just continue along like it had been....

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This goes beyond Holtmann. They completely botched the Matta situation too. It was time to move on but they did it in about the worst way possible. That leads to Holtmann and then the inexplicable Holtmann extension that probably led the University to care about spending when it comes to basketball even less. Gene Smith really screwed us here.

GreenwoodBuck said:

Defend the coach all you want. This team has enough talent to have a better record than they have.

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Disagree.

This team is what it is.

buckeyemania11 said:

It's 100% on the university. They made the lazy horizon league level move of promoting the assistant who was under the guy they just fired. Diebler is in over his head but it's it's not particularly his fault since he shoulda never gotten the job to begin with

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I think they should have waited until that next off-season to fire Holtmann really. Doing it in-season allowed for the dead cat bounce that got Diebler the job.

This is ignoring the fact that Holtmann was winning at a percentage higher than the program's all-time after. Diebler is as well. Sadly, unless a fundamental change happens in the AD offense in terms of where it wants its basketball program to be, this is what this program has been for the majority of the modern era....and right now the Big Ten is as tough as it's ever been historically. Bad time to run the best coach the program has ever seen out of town (Matta) and then pretend that the program will just continue along like it had been....

Defend the coach all you want. This team has enough talent to have a better record than they have. Royal and Tilly have absolutely regressed as the season has went on. That’s coaching. This team lacks the fundamentals of simple dribble drive and pick, screen and roll, etc…That is coaching. This team constantly gets screwed by the refs. That’s coaching. Gene Keady or Bob Knight, or rat face, any of those coaches would not let refs constantly fuck their teams like our coach does. I would’ve had at least one tech tonight. And yes it would’ve been warranted. I’m tired of getting screwed by piss poor officiating! Virginia rode us all game full court, hand checked, body checked, and not a damn thing called. Absolute bullshit!!

1995 scUM. Set the stage for the subsequent agonies. But the one game in any Ohio State sport I’d change is the Sweet 16 loss to Kentucky when, for the only time in my life, Ohio State clearly had the best men’s hoops team in the country.

32 ft to 9…..what in the heck have we done to piss off the refs? I would like to know the stats on free throws this year home and away…..

Jagdaddy said:

I’d actually say that you’re both right. Diebler’s getting less to work with and doing less with it.

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I wouldn't say less. I'd say not enough.

But that comes with a huge caveat that I think this roster is a lot closer to Maryland or Ped State talent-wise than TCUN/Sparty/Illinois/etc....they're in the middle of the pack but I think this group has actually overachieved at this point in time.