ORD_Buckeye said:

Makes sense. He wins it this year then Underwood wins it the next two. Swiss fucking watch if I understand it correctly.

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Ever see a Swiss watch with his ears pinned back?

Classic nba finals

Tommy Fleetwood is well on the road to going Full Monty. Hard to watch him down the stretch today.

Jesus Christ. Watching scoop try to talk thru this shit and hear "hey insert username thanks for the $20". Maybe they've announced donating the money or something but just seems in poor taste if not. Hope they sre. Crimony.

Bestbuck36 said:

I heard he might be their Heisman candidate!

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Makes sense. He wins it this year then Underwood wins it the next two. Swiss fucking watch if I understand it correctly.

colobuck79 said:

Apparently this is his third DUI. And a young man is dead, will never realize his dreams, have a family, grow old. Fuck Barton.

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What MADD doesn't want you to know since they've fully transitioned from being an advocate against drunk driving and into being straight up neo-prohibitionists is that the overwhelming number of drunk drivers who kill someone are both repeat offenders and were driving at least twice over the .08 limit.

Captain Buckeye said:

Stop it. He needs to go away for a while but it was obviously a mistake.

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No, and I'll explain why you (and millions upon millions of others) are wrong.

Mistakes are things we make, errors or lapses in judgements, that have unforseen consequences. You can also toss in minor ignorances and simple oversights.

This is a pattern of behavior that has lead to an eventuality. Self destruction that has sadly also destroyed the life of another with it.

No.... this is not a "mistake". You drank in wild excess, then got behind the wheel of a vehicle. Something he has done for years. Only this time, the numbers game finally reached its finality.


Mistakes are forgivable - this isn't.

When you stop absolving people of awful, often times repeated choices, you'll be shocked at the difference it makes in holding yourself and others accountable.

Kirk should be held to the fullest account the law allows. Sadly the law isn't always synonymous with justice.

Nutriaitch said:

NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!!!!!!

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My quinoa crisps were good luck!

LordJeffBuck said:

I am certainly not "sympathetic" toward Barton. I don't know why you inferred that from my post.

When you wield the criminal law hammer, every societal problem begins to look like a nail. But if the problem ain't a nail, then it doesn't matter how hard you swing your hammer you're not going to solve the problem. But you stated that you view this problem emotionally (sympathy) so I guess that you're going to keep looking for bigger, better hammers and stronger arms to swing them. Good luck with that.

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It wasn't a nail until he killed a kid. Now it's a nail that has to be hammered flat.

colobuck79 said:

The longer the jail time, the longer he won’t be driving drunk and killing other people.

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This is certainly something the court should consider. There are a lot of factors that going into sentencing, and I’m no expert on what they are. But with certain crimes and/or repeat offenders, at some point it becomes less about punishment or deterrence, and more about protecting society from a dangerous person who won’t or can't stop behaving badly.

BB73 said:

I don‘t accept that “all society is left with is retribution against a sick person”.

Jail time can certainly prevent him doing the same thing and killing or severely injuring somebody else during the next several years.

It is also possible that long sentences are a deterrent to some other potential drunk drivers, thus reducing the number of these tragedies.

I am far more sympathetic towards the family of the deceased young man than the addicted person that recklessly killed him. But I’m not trying to imply that anybody else isn’t also sympathetic to that family.

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I am certainly not "sympathetic" toward Barton. I don't know why you inferred that from my post.

When you wield the criminal law hammer, every societal problem begins to look like a nail. But if the problem ain't a nail, then it doesn't matter how hard you swing your hammer you're not going to solve the problem. But you stated that you view this problem emotionally (sympathy) so I guess that you're going to keep looking for bigger, better hammers and stronger arms to swing them. Good luck with that.

Could be the QB in 2026

Jaxbuck said:

Some can, some can’t. Some kill for drug money. Some do incredibly reckless shit under the influence like this. Some recover.

There is no stat that I am aware that tells us what “most” addicts are like. It’s an extremely individual experience.

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GPA 100%

I'm a jackass on here, and in life a lot of times, but I use my graduate degrees and experiences working with veterans everyday and this post encompasses almost every one of their lives, and mine for that matter.

For some people they can't see what they have, only what they don't have or lost, and that shit drives them to do the most wreckless shit you can imagine and it's not easy to understand outside of it.

Kirk is fucked for sure in more ways than one but someone is gone and there's no way to make up for it, ever.

And I'm done with this thread it's making me emotional. Pray for peace in all their lives and your own.