Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Darkmyst]

They have ethics in the South when it comes to college football? That's news to me . I used to live in Arkansas (a one team state) and if local media was doing this to the University of Arkansas football team, they would have been run out of the state. College football in the South is in a different galaxy.

First, Arkansas fans are some the most bat shit insane fans on the planet (seriously) and, second, I guess you missed all the fallout surrounding the recruitment of the Mitch Mustain. It turned out that under AD White and HC Nutt the athletic department was a cesspool.

The point is that Alabama fans pay attention to Alabama news. Arkansas fans pay attention to Arkansas news and OSU fans pay attention to OSU news and none of them is spending much time paying attention to news outside their respective conferences.

It may seem like (insert your team of choice here) is being unfairly singled out by the media but it's not. Yeah the likes of OSU, Mich, Alabama, USC are going to get more print coverage than UNC Ashville or UT Corpus Christi because they are much higher profile names. You get more coverage because of your high profile - on both the good stuff and the bad stuff. I'd like to think the NCAA and the media had some personal axe to grind to with my school when they voided our 2008 basketball season over the Derrick Rose thing but they didn't really. Same here. If you were putting together one of histories greatest football seasons you'd be getting just as much press, the only difference would be you'd be relishing in it rather than cringing at it.

 

[Roundabout]

All due respect, but Bama obsessively tails and turns in Auburn, Auburn obsessively follows and tried to find dirt on Bama, Tennessee and Bama do the same, etc.

The South is more obsessed with football than the Big-10, present maniacs excepting. The press follows the programs just as obsessively. If you do not think that the Bama press followed the Cam story, it is because you are up there and Alabama is down here. Nobody in Tuscaloosa has any idea about the Dispatch and what they print, nor would I expect y'all to follow the Alabama press and its quest for Cam dirt.

Take my word for it, the last thing in the world the Cam story has attached to it is an uninterested press and public. The Cam story is not a matter of "if" but "when". Y'all have rows of fertile ground to plow bashing our football ethics, but this allegation - that nobody cares about the Cam scandal - is not one of them.

I still think Auburn is going to BURN for this... its just going to take a few years, somewhat like the USC situation. You are right though the local media is there, and will always be digging for the story..... its just a matter of when not if.

 

[BearBuck27]

Yeah it's self indulgent players taking advantage...but it's also a program that allows it to go on..that's on tOSU as it should be.

And as for JT getting hung for things that happen outside Columbus...I'd say he's being hung for what happened INSIDE Columbus and Smith will likely follow. Yeah, other programs assuredly have the same problems, but it's been outed here so it's time to pay for it.

I guess, speaking only of the trinkets for cash/tats stuff, I'm just not sure how you could monitor that. Do you want the compliance staff to keep yearly inventory of every trinket each player has earned make them prove current ownership of said trinket?

I think this has been going on since 2002 because there was really no way of JT/compliance to know this was going on.

EDIT: Even after this came to light last year, I think it's unreasonable to have them speak to a guy under federal investigation. They probably asked other players and those players lied, or maybe Ellis was entirely truthful either (or honestly misremembered some stuff, that's a lot of detail going back a lot of years).

 

[NFBuck]

I guess, speaking only of the trinkets for cash/tats stuff, I'm just not sure how you could monitor that. Do you want the compliance staff to keep yearly inventory of every trinket each player has earned make them prove current ownership of said trinket?

It goes beyond the trinkets. He's not gone because some players sold some trinkets. He lied about his knowledge of these transgressions. He put his signature on a document saying he knew of no violations. That's a fireable offense right there. Now stuff is coming out about cars...drugs...housing...this is stuff that cannot go unnoticed. There were either people looking the other way, or there were some incredibly incompitent people charged with monitoring this stuff.

 

[buckeyebri]

I guess, speaking only of the trinkets for cash/tats stuff, I'm just not sure how you could monitor that. Do you want the compliance staff to keep yearly inventory of every trinket each player has earned make them prove current ownership of said trinket?

Now add to that cataloging of all tats...sure

 

[OSU_D/]

Perhaps, but it was inevitable that the camel's back would eventually be broken the minute that the original Yahoo story hit. If JT would have been fired/forced to resign back then, then Ohio State wouldn't be in the midst of the firestorm today.

Yep. I realize why people would want to stick up for JT given the good things he has done... but it was inevitable.

 

[Jaxbuck]

The undercover surveillance and the proliferation of TP's address and personal info on the news is a little creepy...

I'm calling in an anonymous tip about cheating going on in women's swimming and gymnastics.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I'm calling in an anonymous tip about cheating going on in women's swimming and gymnastics.

It's common knowledge they keep their illegal benefits in the shower.

 

[NFBuck]

Yep. I realize why people would want to stick up for JT given the good things he has done... but it was inevitable.

I believe in my heart of hearts that Jim Tressel is a good man. I believe he cared deeply for the kids that played for him. I believe he was a once-in-a-generation coach. I also believe he has flaws. He's human. He lost his job because of poor judgement...and rightfully so. The whole situation is a tragedy, but it's not unjust.

 

[Jaxbuck]

It's common knowledge they keep their illegal benefits in the shower.

and they only show them off in pairs

 

[y0yoyoin]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dufresne-jim-tressel-20110531,0,5835111.column

You expect young people to mess up. It's what they do. They make mistakes, and often compound them. The adults are supposed to know right from wrong ? especially professorial coaches who wear sweater vests and presidents who fancy bow ties. On TV, Ward and June Cleaver offer life lessons to Beaver and Wally. Like a million other scandals dealing with money and power, the cover-up at Ohio State was worse than the crime, and the cover-up for the coach who covered up was even worse. If only, in this ugly take on "Script Ohio," Tressel had not dotted the "i" in lie. Tressel might have survived had he only told the truth when he knew it. He was tipped off in April 2010 that some of his players, including star quarterback Terrelle Pryor, probably violated NCAA rules by accepting extra benefits from a tattoo parlor owner in Columbus. Tressel could have reported it then, suspended the players for the first five games of last season and the NCAA probably would have accepted it.
It might have cost Ohio State a major bowl bid last season, but what's that compared with today's cost? The first thing they tell you to do when you're in a hole is stop digging. Tressel, instead, grabbed the biggest shovel.

 

[SmoovP]

They have ethics in the South when it comes to college football? That's news to me . I used to live in Arkansas (a one team state) and if local media was doing this to the University of Arkansas football team, they would have been run out of the state. College football in the South is in a different galaxy.

Evidently, you didn't live in Arkansas during the Nolan Richardson witchhunt.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Evidently, you didn't live in Arkansas during the Nolan Richardson witchhunt.

Nolan Richardson was a WITCH?! Explains a lot.

 

[SmoovP]

Perhaps, but it was inevitable that the camel's back would eventually be broken the minute that the original Yahoo story hit. If JT would have been fired/forced to resign back then, then Ohio State wouldn't be in the midst of the firestorm today.

I didn't think it was inevitable until the Ray Small quotes came out.

I thought Tressel and OSU would ride it out until then.

 

[MaxBuck]

Evidently, you didn't live in Arkansas during the Nolan Richardson witchhunt.

Nolan had certain complexional disadvantages that contributed to his problems.