Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[MaxBuck]

Because less of them can read?

That should be "fewer of them." And I was going to make some snarky comment about grammar, but you basically hosed me on that one, buddy.

 

[BUCKYLE]

That should be "fewer of them." And I was going to make some snarky comment about grammar, but you basically hosed me on that one, buddy.

I wanted gator to get the message?

 

[billmac91]

well apparently there still could be more, as the producer for the dan patrick show just said:



best of luck to you buddy....

and yes i understand why the dispatch and 10tv is going after pryor...like i said, i just wished it wasnt from a local media outlet that is opening up doors to see if theres anything behind it...as someone stated earlier, the reason most SEC schools do not get caught is because none of this undercover, john gotti survellience from their local media, would ever happen....but pryor has also not done a very great job of hiding this....he has been blantantly dumb about the whole car thing especially throughout this entire process of the investigation...its almost like as soon as a new allegation would come up from a media source, pryor would go out and get a newer and more awesome car...someone on the team needs to get him a bus pass or lend him a mountain bike that he can ride around on now

Dohrman is chasing down documentation and leads on cars. I think the book is out on these situations though...

Player has x,y,z has something wrong with their car, he takes home a "test car" while issues are repaired.

You'd have to be an idiot to believe Pryor's cars have had that many issues and that a regular customer would get the same treatment.

To be honest though, it still feels like a self-indulgent player/players breaking the rules rather than a "win at all costs" coach who fostered this behavior. Should Tressel have known something was up as Pryor had a new car every month? Yes. But if Pryor pulls the "hey coach, it's just a loaner while my vehicle is in the shop" I can see plausible deniability and some shennanigans being pulled over his head.

Still feel like Tressel is being hung for things that happen everyday outside of Columbus.

 

[kn1f3party]

I think we need a BP poll, which stage of grief are you currently in:

Denial and Isolation
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

 

[DaBears]

College football in the south is a whole other animal. The ethics are very different.

They have ethics in the South when it comes to college football? That's news to me . I used to live in Arkansas (a one team state) and if local media was doing this to the University of Arkansas football team, they would have been run out of the state. College football in the South is in a different galaxy.

 

[NFBuck]

Still feel like Tressel is being hung for things that happen everyday outside of Columbus.

I don't get this I guess.

Step back and imagine all of this is happening at "rival x"...wouldn't you, or at least a large majority of us, say "x" coach needs to fry? I know I would.

The "everybody else is doing it" excuse smacks of blind homerism...but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[CookyPuss]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...5/30/Jim.Tressel.OSU/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a2

Very good and fair article from Andy Staples.

 

[MaxBuck]

I think we need a BP poll, which stage of grief are you currently in:

Denial and Isolation
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

I'm in Acceptance - subject to revision depending upon the ultimate penalty.

Right now I guess I expect something similar to what Half-Monte and the Trojanets are suffering, but if it's more stringent, I reserve the right to go right back to Stage 2 - Anger.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

It's probably not fair to say "this is the story that got Tressel fired (or caused him to resign)" but it is probably fair to say that this is the straw that broke the camels back.

Perhaps, but it was inevitable that the camel's back would eventually be broken the minute that the original Yahoo story hit. If JT would have been fired/forced to resign back then, then Ohio State wouldn't be in the midst of the firestorm today.

 

[kn1f3party]

To be honest though, it still feels like a self-indulgent player/players breaking the rules rather than a "win at all costs" coach who fostered this behavior. Should Tressel have known something was up as Pryor had a new car every month? Yes. But if Pryor pulls the "hey coach, it's just a loaner while my vehicle is in the shop" I can see plausible deniability and some shennanigans being pulled over his head.

Still feel like Tressel is being hung for things that happen everyday outside of Columbus.

This.

I kept thinking the entire time I'm reading the SI article: 'they're trying to make me believe he is a win at all costs individual but they are presenting this as in he is naive and overly trusting of these self-serving, child athletes.' He reminds me of the History teacher you took advantage of to ditch class all of the time, or the community center manager that always assumed you were better than the allegations, or the boss that never held you accountable for your attendance when your performance was good. In real life these traits aren't punishable. When you manage an athletic program like that of Buckeye football these can kill you.

 

[billmac91]

I don't get this I guess.

Step back and imagine all of this is happening at "rival x"...wouldn't you, or at least a large majority of us, say "x" coach needs to fry? I know I would.

The "everybody else is doing it" excuse smacks of blind homerism...but maybe I'm wrong.

It's different circumstances to me. This still has the feel of rogue players vs. a coach doing things the wrong way.

Paying $180,000 grand, illegal recuiting, etc doesn't equate to players selling trinkets for cash, IMO.

I still get a little heated that people call tOSU "dirty" when the story clearly points out these guys had to sell their own belongings for cash/tattoos. A "dirty" program/coach makes sure these guys are well taken care of so they don't have to lose awards/memorabilia.

And the "everybody" else is doing it, isn't so much to point fingers at other programs, it's to point fingers at other players. College football players all over America are doing similar things without the university knowing...it doesn't mean the coach or university is compliant, it means they just don't know.

I feel like Tressel has changed the expectations of the compliance dept's all over the country. It's a shame he will be made the example of. It could have been a lot of other people....

 

[MaxBuck]

I don't get this I guess.

Step back and imagine all of this is happening at "rival x"...wouldn't you, or at least a large majority of us, say "x" coach needs to fry? I know I would.

The "everybody else is doing it" excuse smacks of blind homerism...but maybe I'm wrong.

Of all the tools a coach has at his disposal -- schematic brilliance, the ability to inspire loyalty, a knack for winning over the best recruits -- the most important is plausible deniability. Unsavory things must be taken care of in every high-profile program, but it's the job of low-level staffers to ensure none of the nastiness ever reaches the head coach's desk. A graduate assistant who hears about players taking discounts from a local business is supposed make it go away quietly and not leave a paper trail.

If this kind of stuff indeed happens everywhere, why should it devolve to Ohio State to be the scapegoat program?

I just don't know whether the level of stuff that apparently has been happening here indeed happens elsewhere. I know there are "impermissible benefits" doled out everywhere, but again - to this degree? If we are, in fact, worse than the norm, then we deserve to pay a heavy price. If we're not, then any penalty beyond Tressel's dismissal is too much. Honestly, this whole thing is forcing me to reassess the justice of the USC penalties.

 

[Gatorubet]

Perhaps, but it was inevitable that the camel's back would eventually be broken the minute that the original Yahoo story hit. If JT would have been fired/forced to resign back then, then Ohio State wouldn't be in the midst of the firestorm today.

Jeff, if so, do you think it has consequences for Gee and/or Smith?

 

[NFBuck]

If this kind of stuff indeed happens everywhere, why should it devolve to Ohio State to be the scapegoat program?

Because they got caught? Because one of the central figures continues to cruise around town in $35K sports cars? Because more and more shit comes out the more layers are peeled back?

As for this just being "rogue players"...whose responsibility is it to watch over his players? Again, this is where "failure to monitor" and "lack of institutional control" come up. I don't think JT should be the only casualty...nor do I think he will be.


I'm not saying the university has handled this correctly, but the bottom line is, some pretty awful shit has been going on under Tressel's watch. To make things worse, he lied about his knowledge of it. Accountability ends at the top. Should JT have been let go immediately? I can't answer that. But, I cannot, in my mind, rationalize him keeping his job at this point. I don't see how Gene Smith survives this either. This entire fiasco has been comically mismanaged from the jump. Hell, I'll bet St. Bill of ann arbor is chuckling somewhere.

 

[matcar]

Dohrman is chasing down documentation and leads on cars. I think the book is out on these situations though...

Player has x,y,z has something wrong with their car, he takes home a "test car" while issues are repaired.

You'd have to be an idiot to believe Pryor's cars have had that many issues and that a regular customer would get the same treatment.

To be honest though, it still feels like a self-indulgent player/players breaking the rules rather than a "win at all costs" coach who fostered this behavior. Should Tressel have known something was up as Pryor had a new car every month? Yes. But if Pryor pulls the "hey coach, it's just a loaner while my vehicle is in the shop" I can see plausible deniability and some shennanigans being pulled over his head.

Still feel like Tressel is being hung for things that happen everyday outside of Columbus.

Yeah it's self indulgent players taking advantage...but it's also a program that allows it to go on..that's on tOSU as it should be.

And as for JT getting hung for things that happen outside Columbus...I'd say he's being hung for what happened INSIDE Columbus and Smith will likely follow. Yeah, other programs assuredly have the same problems, but it's been outed here so it's time to pay for it.