Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[BuckeyeNation27]

And yet none of that addresses the hypocrisy of the school being allowed to sell things that the players can't. I don't even give 2 shits about it, I just agreed with somebody else who brought up the hypocrisy.

 

[jwinslow]

The university gets money from the sales of jerseys, et al, and funnels it back into the school. The players' performance helps everyone in the school. It's not like they're earning a shit-ton of money for a few greedy owners. In turn, they get a totally free four-year fucking education.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing people fucking bitch and moan about how "the players generate so much money and get nothing in return". In addition to their education, they get lifetime connections for job placement (you play football at OSU and don't get into trouble, you'll never want for employment, ever). All the NCAA says is for them not to sell their shit until they graduate.

That's not the argument, chap. Ticket sales & general revenue from holding football games are a reasonable trade for an education.

It is ILLEGAL to sell Pryor's jersey while he has eligibility remaining (which is why the Cam jersey was a poor example), whether it is one he worn or being marketed as his jersey.

Nike, OSU & other businesses sell thousands of Pryor jerseys every year, but because there is no nameplate, their lawyers have helped them get away with that double standard.

Turns out that most players don't break the NCAA rules because they are in dire straights or barely making ends meet, but because they're fucking greedy. You know what? You sell your Gold Pants, fuck you. You sell your Championship Ring, fuck you. You're a near-cinch draft pick for the NFL a year or two down the road and yet you just have to put the entire football program in jeopardy solely because you want a couple grand right this instant, fuck you.

Yeah, that's way overboard.

 

[Jaxbuck]

So the $0 car wasn't a $0 car, as the rational members on here already knew. Half the cars selling below the "market average", of course, what anyone who has lasted past the "hand out the syllabus" stage of an intro stats class would expect, and the Dispatch is already "walking back" their little yellow journalism drive by.

Amazing.

Which leaves me with a question -- is the "objective" Ohio State fan still supposed to be demanding the immediate firing of Tressel, Smith and the entire compliance department and that the NCAA immediately suspend the football program until further notice? I mean, I want to be objective so as not to be an embarrassment to rational fans who have carefully weighed the evidence and waited for facts to be presented. /sarcasm

Spielman is now a hater

?I?d be surprised if he?s coaching next year (2011). Why I say that is I think there is more stuff coming out,? the Ohio State legend said...........?He?s a friend of mine. I respect him. I would be honored if my son were ever good enough to have him play for a guy like Jim Tressel,? Spielman said.
?That being said, Ohio State is bigger than one individual. It?s bigger than the James Cancer Hospital. It?s bigger than the band and football and basketball and the Fisher College of Business. So what has to happen, in my opinion, is that the people in charge have to take an honest look and say, ?What is best for the university moving forward?? Then they have to make a hard decision.
?And I do believe Coach Tressel owes it to our university, he has to look in the mirror and say, ?What is best for the university looking forward.?? ?
Candid comments like that have angered some extreme elements of Ohio State?s fan base, but Spielman says he will continue to say what he believes.
?I?ve been on the end of threatening e-mails just for saying something like that. People have to understand it?s not a judgment. Somebody makes a mistake and they?re going to be held accountable for it. We?ll see what happens. Certainly there is no in-between (in people?s opinions). It?s either it wasn?t that big a mistake or he needs to go. Those are the feelings I get,? he said.

Bold is mine because I found it completely shocking /sarcasm

 

[jwinslow]

Lando (and others), we're very proactive about thread organization, and while Spielman's comment is notable, it still fits in the Yahoo Tattoos thread. I will move it shortly.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Isn't that the same stuff attributed to Spiels a week ago or more?

 

[Gatorubet]

Come on Gator if the whole world wants to jump to conclusions about OSU it only makes sense for us to look at other schools in the same cynical light.

If Cecil had control over where Cam went, and Cecil was trying to get 180k from the family's favorite school and was rebuked, then they decide to go to Auburn...its the same amount of circumstancial evidence being used against OSU with the car dealership issue. If nothing was on the table at any school for the family to take, they would have just went to Mississippi State which was their favorite to begin with.

Oh, I agree totally about the speculation and jumping to conclusions. I agree about the amount of circumstantial evidence in Auburn and Cam's case. I was talking about the narrow issue of BKB using the "Cam defense" of "we did not know". That only works when you are the next school he signs with. Had he signed with Miss State the offer was enough to have rendered him ineligible. Is the distinction stupid? Yep. Is it fair? Nope. But that is the rule as applied. So I was not defending the idiocy so much as pointing out why the "I did not know" will not work with tOSU families when it worked for Cam.

I'm pretty sure BKB knows that, but the hypocrisy got to him.

 

[billmac91]

BKB, you are skipping over the core holding in the Auburn Newton ruling. One, the dad's offer was to Mississippi State - who declined to participate with Mr. Newton, and in fact reported the offer to either the SEC or NCAA or both, I forget how it went down. Auburn is a different story.

As it stands, there is currently no evidence that Auburn was offered (or accepted) a plan to give improper benefits to Cam or his dad. Put another way, until you find that Auburn was approached or agreed to pay Cam, there is nothing you can point to regarding Auburn or Cam that is illegal because of his playing for Auburn.

If people associated with tOSU or family members of tOSU athletes took (or agreed to take) improper benefits, then they are in trouble. Not because of the sins of the father thing is ignored, but because the improper benefits were taken when they played for the institution the kid played for, and not an institution that they thought about playing for before the kids decided on tOSU.

Not technically true. Mississippi State alleges "Cam, told us he wanted to come here, but the money was too much".

 

[Landomatic]

Lando (and others), we're very proactive about thread organization, and while Spielman's comment is notable, it still fits in the Yahoo Tattoos thread. I will move it shortly.

Okay...I get it now. Was wondering why every time I come in here, there aren't a lot of new threads. You group threads into much broader topics than the other forum I'm on. Good to know.

 

[jwinslow]

Oh, I agree totally about the speculation and jumping to conclusions. I agree about the amount of circumstantial evidence in Auburn and Cam's case. I was talking about the narrow issue of BKB using the "Cam defense" of "we did not know". That only works when you are the next school he signs with. Had he signed with Miss State the offer was enough to have rendered him ineligible. Is the distinction stupid? Yep. Is it fair? Nope. But that is the rule as applied. So I was not defending the idiocy so much as pointing out why the "I did not know" will not work with tOSU families when it worked for Cam.

Actually, that only works when you are the next person in the gravy train. I seem to recall reports that had Cam sought the payments himself (instead of being blindsided by the oh-so-secret dealings of dad) he would have been punished.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I read that about Spielman earlier I think its concerning but I think it comes from the fact that SI had their top crack investigative reporter here for three weeks and he just left recently.... all the 97.1 guys think thats a bad thing, possibly without knowing what he found....hopefully he found nothing but if there is anything to find this dude would find it. He won a pulitzer for busting Minnesota basketball for their cheating scandle


Im fine with the truth....but if Tress gets shit canned because of a witch hunt and bullshit it will be a sad shame. If he is a mobster that runs a sports book and pays players then we have all been tricked for a long time and he will get what he deserves

 

[jwinslow]

Okay...I get it now. Was wondering why every time I come in here, there aren't a lot of new threads. You group threads into much broader topics than the other forum I'm on. Good to know.

Right, that organization also stems from the recruiting forum, which is a foundation of the site. On scout, it makes sense to let folks pop in with questions about the breaking news about recruit X or transfer B. On a fan site based around news & debate (not subscriptions), we opt for organization.

This also makes it much easier to track down old posts from the OSU-Texas game threads, Greg Little's recruitment by OSU, etc.

 

[TooTall]

Spielman is now a hater

Bold is mine because I found it completely shocking /sarcasm

TMZ strikes again.

 

[3074326]

Not ripping on you, but care to comment?

Comment on what?

That I found it fishy that so many student-athletes and their families bought from the same guy, and he got tickets to the National Championship game and Fiesta Bowl? Gibson paying for his car doesn't make me feel any better about that. There were what, 50ish names involved in this? I won't feel better about it until the investigation is over and shows no wrong-doing.

Or comment on the Dispatch doing a shitty job of reporting? I already commented on that in the post you quoted. If they don't do their job, they deserve a bunch of criticism. I've finished my schooling in journalism, and if there's one thing that was driven into our skulls more than anything else, it was making sure you have everything right before submitting a story.

Depending on what you wanted me to comment on, since you said you weren't ripping on me.. I wasn't siding with the Dispatch. I'm just not siding with the fans who seem to think it's ridiculous that the media shouldn't print negative stories. "Gotcha" journalism isn't an excuse, and I have no idea why it's being portrayed like the bad guy here. Stop fucking breaking rules, colleges.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

And yet none of that addresses the hypocrisy of the school being allowed to sell things that the players can't. I don't even give 2 shits about it, I just agreed with somebody else who brought up the hypocrisy.

It's not hypocracy. The school gains no competitive edge by selling merchandise...its gets 85 football scholarships allocated regardless if it sells $1 million in merchandise or $100 million in merchadise. The school, however, does get a competitive advantage if its players are permitted to funnel money into their pockets by being allowed to sell shit at either extremely inflated prices (because of their status, e.g., being football players) or selling things they've earned by being on the football team (and thus being available to the general student population).

You really think people by Buckeye jerseys just because a certain player wears one? I have several jerseys, and none were bought with a specific player in mind...I bought them because I wanted an OSU jersey. The numbers of the jerseys (2, 5, and 10) just happened to be those of players popular at the time. I would've bought them regardless of available number.

 

[Steve19]

I understand the concerns about recommendations to the one car dealer, but isn't there another argument? That is, that the dealer would be more likely to cooperate and know the rules. After all, Gibson laughed off the allegation saying that he was still paying off the car.

My point is that we heard an awful lot of garbage during the ESPiN witch hunt that MoC sparked. Nothing was found. So, I am reluctant to jump up on any window sills now.

Don't get me wrong, Mili's earlier post hit the same spots I would. Players that sell their "trinkets", show disrespect to every kid that grew up just wanting to have a chance to walk into that stadium wearing that uniform, to every player that wanted a pair of those gold pants, to every person who invests meaning in those things. If the argument is that these things mean nothing to these players, then those players shouldn't accept them in the first place.

If Tressel really is guilty of more than he admits and there really is a car scandal, then I am onsides for saying goodbye. I would just be very surprised if that is the case. I've heard this press banter before.