Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[TooTall]

I have to side with the 99% on this one. If I were you, I'd consider myself in the 1% minority that purchases jerseys because of other reasons.

If that were the case, I could have saved myself $185 bucks and gotten some generic blue #18 jersey from my wife....

$185.00

$29.99, down from $84.00

The NFL is a different animal.

 

[jwinslow]

Well, when you grow up and actually do something that entails siginificant sacrifice and/or accomplishment, then you can feel qualified to comment on this, sport.

I wouldn't sell my Western Australia Ironman medal for anything...it's the material representation of the years and thousands of mile of training I did in preparation for the challange. Players who disrespect their Gold Pants and Championship rings not only belittle the symbol of accomplishment, it disrespects the other who also earned them. So, uh, no...it's not way overboard.

I agree completely with the disrespect and selfish characterization of the act, particularly wrt their teammates and program. I disagree strongly with cheapening and degrading that otherwise salient point with 'f you [insert one of the 5 or similar offender here]'

 

[jwinslow]

Wow. How galatically stupid is this comment? If this were the case, why did Ohio State have to take out a $194 million dollar loan for the stadium refurbishment? The school still relies heavily on alumni donations and state funding for facilities. And even if the athletic facilites are significantly funded by sales of merchandise, guess who directly benefits from that? That's right, Sherlock...the athletes themselves.

Because competitive advantages involve things besides absolutes. That monstrous 194 million loan is smaller than two years worth of OSU revenue.

When OSU gets 1/11th of the BCS bowl payout, that is a competitive advantage. It doesn't have to be the entire revenue stream or even on par with a Wexner donation to meet that standard.

All of those feed into the competitive advantage that OSU has over a school like Miami OH.

Of course it benefits the players. That doesn't change the argument.

Pryor has more resources at his disposal because the school sells star driven jersey sales . That doesn't change the double standard.

I'm not arguing that players should be allowed to sell gear, it would be opening Pandora's box. I am arguing that schools are allowed to engage in an ethical double standard because it is profitable.

 

[Gatorubet]

Wow. How galactically stupid is this comment?

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[MililaniBuckeye]

I just went to the local cardboard heros. i couldn't find an Ohio State #47 jersey. I wonder why?

Why was the #10 jersey the one that was in the store to purchase?


BECAUSE TROY SMITH WORE THAT NUMBER!

And there will be other numbers down the road, and people will buy them. I wear my jerseys even though #5 and #10 on our current team may not be All American.

I agree completely with the disrespect and selfish characterization of the act, particularly wrt their teammates and program. I disagree strongly with cheapening and degrading that otherwise salient point with 'f you [insert one of the 5 or similar offender here]'

Well, gee...sorry if I feel strongly about it. Feel free to choose the "BP_WorkSafe (default)" option.

 

[Folanator]

Mili, my Ironman Kona medals are avaiable for the right price....

 

[jwinslow]

YouTube - Follow The Advice Of The Galactically Stupid! A Few Good Men

Given the responses in this thread, I don't think mili would fare very well if we took a straw poll of what is more stupid, arguing that merchandise revenue is a competitive advantage or arguing that star amateurs don't drive jersey sales, while including incredibly unusual and personal reasons for purchasing them.

Hawk was a better player and liked much more than Pryor among OSU fans. Same with Laurinaitis, at least as far as popularity.

There's a reason that their jerseys appear in the sale aisle months after their departure from OSU.

 

[Deety]

One chicken nugget. Two chicken nuggets...

 

[jwinslow]

And there will be other numbers down the road, and people will buy them. I wear my jerseys even though #5 and #10 on our current team may not be All American.

because the stars will be wearing different numbers and thus need to be replaced, even though robiskie doesn't hold a candle to ginn, holmes, Jenkins, Boston, etc.

Fans want to wear their favorite player's jersey. That is illegal to sell until they graduate, and since most fans will have lost interest by then, they find a loophole by leaving off the name when everyone knows it is still a Pryor jersey.

Well, gee...sorry if I feel strongly about it. Feel free to choose the "BP_WorkSafe (default)" option.

Plenty of profanity appears on BP.

Almost none directed at Buckeyes remains.

 

[3074326]

I understand the concerns about recommendations to the one car dealer, but isn't there another argument? That is, that the dealer would be more likely to cooperate and know the rules. After all, Gibson laughed off the allegation saying that he was still paying off the car.

My point is that we heard an awful lot of garbage during the ESPiN witch hunt that MoC sparked. Nothing was found. So, I am reluctant to jump up on any window sills now.

Don't get me wrong, Mili's earlier post hit the same spots I would. Players that sell their "trinkets", show disrespect to every kid that grew up just wanting to have a chance to walk into that stadium wearing that uniform, to every player that wanted a pair of those gold pants, to every person who invests meaning in those things. If the argument is that these things mean nothing to these players, then those players shouldn't accept them in the first place.

If Tressel really is guilty of more than he admits and there really is a car scandal, then I am onsides for saying goodbye. I would just be very surprised if that is the case. I've heard this press banter before.

I'm not saying there is something going on here.. I'm just not optimistic based on the other stuff that's happened, and what I've heard personally. I've said once or twice that I knew Maxton was involved before I got to that part in the story. That concerns me.

Another thing that concerns me is that I can think of about 4341204399 other people to give a ticket to other than a damn car dealer. Unless he's a personal friend of one of the players/families (which is possible), I find that very odd. Why would they give the car dealer something like that unless he was a friend, or giving them one hell of a deal? I can't think of any other reason.

And that's happened what.. seven times?

 

[Onebuckfan]

Why argue over the hypocrisy of the rule, the NCAA made the rule and they aren't changing it...because they fail to see the hypocrisy of it. If tOSU is going to use the hypocrisy defense I don't think the NCAA will absolve JT and ths school. I hope the school has more to say than the ruling body are hypocrites..

 

[Taosman]

Duane Long's latest kind of says it all for me. Even if JT had done the right thing, OSU would still have gotten hammered by the media. There is no advantage to self reporting. http://www.duanelongreport.com/
We live in a media driven world where "doing the right thing" doesn't sell news and people like Cam Newton and the SEC get rewarded by winning at all costs.

Justice is not blind. It has gotten sold to the highest bidder.

 

[SmoovP]

I don't think it qualifies as hypocrisy that OSU can sell jerseys and OSU players cannot, because OSU and OSU players are not equivalent entities.

And if the excuse is "everybody else is doing it" is good enough reason to NOT do the right thing, this country is fucked.

Somebody has to stand up and be the good guy. OSU used to be that guy.

 

[jwinslow]

The issue of hypocrisy is not a defense of this issue. They knew the rules, broke them, and worse yet, covered it up.

I would compare it to the ncaa video games. Those are clearly profiting from the likeness and image of the players, but because the name field is anonymous, they can get their lawyers to argue that it isn't based on them, when common sense suggests otherwise.

I don't think it qualifies as hypocrisy that OSU can sell jerseys and OSU players cannot, because OSU and OSU players are not equivalent entities.

And if the excuse is "everybody else is doing it" is good enough reason to NOT do the right thing, this country is fucked.

Somebody has to stand up and be the good guy. OSU used to be that guy.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Some irony in this to me is that it sort of does have to do with competitive advantage, in as much as the NCAA is basically saying schools can make money off it, but not get kids because of it. What I mean is that if the players could sell all their game worn shit, and they all knew they could going in, where would many of them go? Somewhere like Ohio State, or USC, or Oklahoma, or with a rabid fan base that will basically mean they get more money than they would if they went to, say, Indiana, Boise State, or North Carolina. Income from game-worn shit would turn into one of the primary recruiting tools, and the NCAA doesn't want that...so they just let the schools get who they can and basically do the same thing, so the schools get the money, but the NCAA can say they're all about "competitive balance" in recruiting...or something. I don't know, the whole thing is fucked up, but I can see where letting the kids sell all their jerseys and trinkets is a bad deal.

I know why it's wrong.....but it should be wrong for everybody.