Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Deety]

Isn't the focus of this not so much on the price of the car, but whether people who are not Ohio State athletes/their families would get the same deal? Doesn't much matter if the car is worth the price he paid or not, what matters is if that dealership gives the same/similar price to Joe Off The Street.

People are focusing too much on the $13k sticker price, and what condition the car was in, etc. That's secondary to the greater question.

Umm, how Joe Off The Street gets the same deals is pretty much what we've been discussing. Car deals are very inconsistent. I could have three identical cars on the lot. One would sell at list plus lots of silly extras. Another would sell slightly lower because there was some negotiation. The third would be a ridiculous deal because that buyer did the research, knew the price and incentives, and was a pain in the neck in negotiations. The only real standard to see if a deal is unusual would be if the dealership took a loss on that particular car after any holdbacks or bonuses from the manufacturer.

BTW, are you a first time buyer? Hey, let me get you a special deal. Oh, new job? Hey, here's your special deal. You would have preferred a darker shade of paint? No problem, I'll help you out with the price on that. You'll refer all your friends, right?

 

[BayBuck]

Isn't the focus of this not so much on the price of the car, but whether people who are not Ohio State athletes/their families would get the same deal? Doesn't much matter if the car is worth the price he paid or not, what matters is if that dealership gives the same/similar price to Joe Off The Street.

People are focusing too much on the $13k sticker price, and what condition the car was in, etc. That's secondary to the greater question.

I agree that should be the focus, is there an improper benefit not available to the public, and it makes me think of how my dad always got deals from used-car salesmen: "I'm going to be buying a lot of cars from someone in the coming years, and if you give me the price I'm looking for, that someone can be you." We're talking about buying/selling cars here, this is THE place for negotiating prices and getting deals, and there are a lot of ways to move those prices around.

 

[AKAK]

People are focusing too much on the $13k sticker price, and what condition the car was in, etc. That's secondary to the greater question.

Eh, Blue book is sort of "the people on the street"

I mean, in the event that they want to audit the dealerships' total sales history, then, yeah, maybe. I doubt we see that.

The one thing that strikes me is that in most cases this Kniffin character is going to have to say at some point while selling the cars, "Hey, let me go talk to my mangager" (They really do talk to them, even if they know the outcome) and that manager has to approve the sale price.

The other possiblity I didn't think of is that, and Deety sort of alluded to this, is that they could have been in a situation where the players (and people can do this too) say, I'm looking for X type of car and the dealer gets one fom the auction and for the "guarantee" of moving it quickly, they get a discount since they are more or less preordering.

I don't know... I'm sort of holding onto the note in the original article that said that in about hlf the case it was less than the book value... ao, as someone noted, doesn't mean that the other half was equal or greater. If that's the end story here, there's nothing to see.

 

[Bill Lucas]

I'm sort of holding onto the note in the original article that said that in about half the case it was less than the book value.

And what is the less than amount? I mean if it's an average of $250 less or something similar then who gives a hoot.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I dont get what good it would do for a dealership to sell 50 cars and take a loss just to sell to an Ohio State player....what does this dealer get out of it??? Tickets to games? Dealers are in business to make money not sniff jock straps....The only reason car deals have happened in pay for play is to entice recruits. Is the media implying that this dude sold cars to players at discounts because he is a fan??? That makes no sense to me at all

 

[Rookie]

Can we just chalk this up to the intimidation factor? If a 6'3 240lbs+ person walks through the door I wouldn't hesitate handing them the greatest deal of their life just so I could avoid a hulk smash to the face.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

It occurred to me - all the players who had family members also buy car have to do is say "I had no idea" and that should be sufficient under the Cam Newton holding....

They are the same, in that respect. The sins of the father are supposed to count against the son (NCAA rules-wise). But... we already know the NCAA doesn't believe that in a fucking pay for play scheme, so why would they enforce it now?

 

[Deety]

The other possiblity I didn't think of is that, and Deety sort of alluded to this, is that they could have been in a situation where the players (and people can do this too) say, I'm looking for X type of car and the dealer gets one fom the auction and for the "guarantee" of moving it quickly, they get a discount since they are more or less preordering.

We were near a military base and had a bunch of young men who had trouble getting loans - lenders much prefer students. If a car came in that I knew I could deal on, I'd start making calls. You could call that special treatment - I called it keeping the bills paid. So unless the dealer takes a loss after holdbacks, bonuses, extended warranties, saran-wrapping or other unnecessary treatment, and their cut of a dealership loan (don't do those, people), it isn't an unusual deal.

Never did mind someone anxious to pay list, though. :)

 

[Piney]

And what is the less than amount? I mean if it's an average of $250 less or something similar then who gives a hoot.

BINGO!

It would have helped if the Dispatch gave that number. Cuz technically $1 under the blue book value is still less than value.

I can see why Gibson's stood out, but they had to use that as the hook to get everyone in. Because it didn't take them long to correct their error.

Really to me, this is all about nothing. The only real issue of this all is 50 players went to the same salesman. BUT, that can be due to referalls and such. Especially since football is such a team sport of course you ask your buddy where he got his ride and he tells you he had a good experience with this one guy, go see him.

So REALLY this all comes down to whether compliance at least did their job by checking on them.

 

[jwinslow]

BTW, are you a first time buyer? Hey, let me get you a special deal. Oh, new job? Hey, here's your special deal. You would have preferred a darker shade of paint? No problem, I'll help you out with the price on that. You'll refer all your friends, right?

If you knew that deal would land you 49 other sales, you'd do the peanut butter jelly dance on top of the great deal.

 

[buxfan4life]

If you knew that deal would land you 49 other sales, you'd do the peanut butter jelly dance on top of the great deal.

So this is Kniffin?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V55Zq5whVCI&feature=related"]YouTube - Try to watch this without laughing or grinning[/ame]

 

[BUCKYLE]

If you knew that deal would land you 49 other sales, you'd do the peanut butter jelly dance on top of the great deal.

Death penalty.

 

[scooter1369]

Will you accept COBOL punch cards?

Don't dis on COBOL. I still use that shit.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

So the $0 car wasn't a $0 car, as the rational members on here already knew. Half the cars selling below the "market average", of course, what anyone who has lasted past the "hand out the syllabus" stage of an intro stats class would expect, and the Dispatch is already "walking back" their little yellow journalism drive by.

Amazing.

Which leaves me with a question -- is the "objective" Ohio State fan still supposed to be demanding the immediate firing of Tressel, Smith and the entire compliance department and that the NCAA immediately suspend the football program until further notice? I mean, I want to be objective so as not to be an embarrassment to rational fans who have carefully weighed the evidence and waited for facts to be presented. /sarcasm

 

[ginn421]

I'm one of those guys, and I want to clarify what I said because I don't think I elaborated enough on it. Don't blame the media for finding OSU's violations. If the media misreports something, blame the living hell out of them for being shitty at their jobs. :p
... I still find it fishy that so many student-athletes and their families went to the same guy. But if there's nothing, the Dispatch deserves all of the blame for shitty reporting.

Not ripping on you, but care to comment?