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Urban F. Meyer (Former OSU, CFB and NFL coach)

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ORD_Buckeye said:
As to how it all ties into Meyer, I think that he overestimated his position. Given his salary, the public adulation that a successful Ohio State football coach gets and just plain old football coach arrogance, that's hardly a far out consideration. When he was confronted with the reality that the powers that be don't consider him bigger than the university, he's had a hard time dealing with it.
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I believe there has and always will a degree of friction between certain elements on the academic side and certain elements on the athletic side. I remember Woody stating and I am paraphrasing, “I know that they couldn’t do my job but I sure as hell could do theirs “. As he was referring to some members of the facility.
 
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Wingate1217 said:
I believe there has and always will a degree of friction between certain elements on the academic side and certain elements on the athletic side. I remember Woody stating and I am paraphrasing, “I know that they couldn’t do my job but I sure as hell could do theirs “. As he was referring to some members of the facility.
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Yeah. I've heard that quote before. For the most part Woody though was a real believer in the academic mission of the university. And while I don't believe that he could have done their job for one minute (being an amateur history buff does not make one a qualified historian, much less an astrophysicist, economist or chemist), whatever tensions there may have been, I do know that Woody deeply respected their jobs, which is why you have a Wayne Woodrow Hayes endowed chair at the Mershon Center rather than a bunch of athletic scholarships named after him.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I'm not disparaging them. I just think that--lacking some severely counterbalancing aspects to their application--that they don't belong at Ohio State. They don't belong at Wisconsin, or Illinois, or Minnesota, or Texas or Washington or a campus of the University of California system either. Ohio funds 12 other public four year universities, and many of those would be a much better fit for them. One of the cruelest ironies of the Jim Rhodes era was the vast thousands of kids who packed up and headed for Ohio State in the 60s and 70s not fully realizing that they had next to no chance of graduating or even making it to their sophomore year. They'd have been much better served had the system steered them to a campus where they could have succeeded. Like Ed Jennings said, Ohio can have an internationally respected research university or it can have an "everyman's university." It can't have both. Ohio made the right decision.
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You are full of shit. There are way more 24's and lower that get into OSU. My daughter is one of them. I know of several in fact. She is now a Junior and has a 3.7. You are a legend in your own mind. OSU is not this creme de la creme you try to make your fairytale school out to be. It is widely known that you can transfer from basically any college with anything above a 2.0 and get into OSU. They try to make the incoming Frosh class look good on paper when in reality they let in hundreds of kids that spend a semester or two at their local community college in no problem. My daughter was accepted out of high school with a 23 on her ACT. She had a room mate transfer in second semester from Ohio University Southern campus that graduated high school with a 3.1 and had a 20 on her ACT. One of her roommates this year transferred from Shawnee State where she came in to OSU with a 2.9 gpa.

So yeah, kids with 24's can do more than just fine at OSU. My daughter will have a 4.0 this semester.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Yeah. I've heard that quote before. For the most part Woody though was a real believer in the academic mission of the university. And while I don't believe that he could have done their job for one minute (being an amateur history buff does not make one a qualified historian, much less an astrophysicist, economist or chemist), whatever tensions there may have been, I do know that Woody deeply respected their jobs, which is why you have a Wayne Woodrow Hayes endowed chair at the Mershon Center rather than a bunch of athletic scholarships named after him.
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Dude you really have this strange view of OSU. IF you don't think there are freaking professors at OSU that sit on their asses while TA's grade papers and run class then I have no clue what planet you are on? My daughter was a TA, I know exactly how some classes are ran. Woody would be a huge upgrade in some instances. There are a ton of courses at OSU that are not taught by a Phd, TON of them. And then there are more where the Phd is lazy and has several TA's doing most of the work. And often those TA's are students themselves, even Sophs at OSU. That is reality.
 
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Hstead said:
You are full of shit. There are way more 24's and lower that get into OSU. My daughter is one of them. I know of several in fact. She is now a Junior and has a 3.7. You are a legend in your own mind. OSU is not this creme de la creme you try to make your fairytale school out to be. It is widely known that you can transfer from basically any college with anything above a 2.0 and get into OSU. They try to make the incoming Frosh class look good on paper when in reality they let in hundreds of kids that spend a semester or two at their local community college in no problem. My daughter was accepted out of high school with a 23 on her ACT. She had a room mate transfer in second semester from Ohio University Southern campus that graduated high school with a 3.1 and had a 20 on her ACT. One of her roommates this year transferred from Shawnee State where she came in to OSU with a 2.9 gpa.

So yeah, kids with 24's can do more than just fine at OSU. My daughter will have a 4.0 this semester.
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Yes, they're there. 5% of this year's freshman class was 24 or below, but they'd better have something really special in their application to make up for that. For a school that rejected 55% of its applicants last year, what do you think the rejection rate was for 23 act kids? The average is pushing 30. The middle 50% range is now 28-31. The incoming Honors class of 1100 students had the same stats and was the same size as the freshman class at Dartmouth.

And I'm all for letting kids who don't make the cut out of high school transfer in after they've proven themselves elsewhere. What you're attempting to denigrate and lessen Ohio State for are the exact same policies that Berkeley and UCLA follow. And those kids still have to compete in the classroom with all the kids who did score 30 and graduate in the top tenth of their high school class. More power to them for doing so. Excellence does not need to go hand in hand with elitism or exclusivity.

And Ohio State is and should be among the creme de la creme of public universities. Anyone who doesn't want that for it and the citizens of Ohio can fuck all the way off.
 
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Hstead said:
Dude you really have this strange view of OSU. IF you don't think there are freaking professors at OSU that sit on their asses while TA's grade papers and run class then I have no clue what planet you are on? My daughter was a TA, I know exactly how some classes are ran. Woody would be a huge upgrade in some instances. There are a ton of courses at OSU that are not taught by a Phd, TON of them. And then there are more where the Phd is lazy and has several TA's doing most of the work. And often those TA's are students themselves, even Sophs at OSU. That is reality.
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Why do you hate Ohio State UNIVERSITY so much?
 
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