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Tim Beck (HC Coastal Carolina)

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MililaniBuckeye said:
His time at UF has zero to do with what he's doing here. And no one said--or even-implied--he's perfect. But maybe you can give him some pointers about his flaws...
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Mili, his time as a coach, regardless of location, is an indicator to his coaching and his teams. I don't need to give him pointers while noticing the tendencies. The Ohio State offense, good AND bad, is all his. He is responsible for all the good times and all the struggles. The Beck witch hunt reminds me of when folks called Herman "Mensa". Look, I'm not going to argue with you any longer because it's a waste of my time. Again, I love Meyer, no one I'd rather have coaching this team, but he is the primary driver for our offensive positives and those few struggles.
 
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I don't like blaming one person either but when we struggle as thoroughly as we do against good defenses something has to give.

I don't think either Beck or Warriner are cut out for OC. If we have a chance to get a OC that has a strong track record I think you do that.
 
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ExpatAkronite said:
Well, I too have watched a lot of OR football--since the bloody fucking Toilet Bowl (remember when they wanted to kick both OR schools out of the PAC?). I don't think anyone (including Portland media) is really sure who was/is the QB guru--Chip or Helf. One thing though is a fact (you can search OR Live for the article) Mariota was "discovered" by a Hawaiian scout with long ties to UO. Helfrich was sent to take a look and confirmed it.

At the end of the day even if Helf is a great qb guru he hasn't proven himself a great recruiter or OC. Can any elite program afford to bring a guy in with one skill set? There seem to be calls to bring in Helfrich in about six different threads. From my cheap seats in Portland I don't get it. (Then again I don't make 3-5 mil a year to get it.) I would suggest only to temper the enthusiasm about Helf--there are young, upcoming OC's out there and Meyer has done a good job of finding them.
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Apologies fellow Oregonian. I'm not yet used to your presence. Thankfully I've grown up in the post-Rich Brooks era so I have predominantly fond memories of Oregon football.

Chip may have been the mastermind but even after he left, Helf kept the machine running until he started losing Chip's players. I'd attribute any drop-off on offense to the mash unit on the OL and a true freshman at QB rather than Helf being overrated as an offensive mind. They still averaged 35 ppg and 491 ypg this year despite all the youth.

I'm personally a big believer in him as an OC and QB coach. As a head coach? Absolutely not

Bringing it back to Beck, I don't want him to fail. I hope I'm wrong about him as a coach. I just haven't seen it yet
 
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Based on who has had success after Chip's departure, I'd say Scott Frost was more the brains of the operation than Helfrich. Guy just strikes me as a total bore. Sorry, but recruiting matters at a place like OSU. Don't see many prospects lining up to play for a guy like Helfrich.

If you're looking for a guy who coached the NFL flavor of the month, I'd sooner hire Brian Johnson from Mississippi State. At least he has some real familiarity with Urban and coached Dak Prescott for two seasons.
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
I think he's a poor recruiter as a head coach and that also led to his demise. But, I think with the Ohio State brand name, his west coast ties, and his ability to say he developed Mariota from a 3 star recruit into a Heisman winner and top 2 draft pick would appeal to plenty of recruits. We may lose traction in Texas but we would gain entrance into Cali.
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What makes you think that Helfrich would get us traction into CA? And his traction in CA isn't near as strong as Beck's in TX, or Beck anywhere...
Helfrich would be only a positive in actually possibly coaching. And would Urban ever bring in a coach that is only an average recruiter, from a recruiting base that is tough to get to location wise for coaches, recruits and families?
 
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pnuts34 said:
What makes you think that Helfrich would get us traction into CA? And his traction in CA isn't near as strong as Beck's in TX, or Beck anywhere...
Helfrich would be only a positive in actually possibly coaching. And would Urban ever bring in a coach that is only an average recruiter, from a recruiting base that is tough to get to location wise for coaches, recruits and families?
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Because the lifeblood of Oregon recruiting is California. You can't coach at Oregon without recruiting Cali. I'm not arguing he's a better recruiter than Beck at all. I think he would do just fine as an assistant at Ohio State though considering the numerous advantages we have in recruiting. He didn't seem to hinder Chip when he was an assistant there.

I have no idea what Urban's opinion of him would be. This whole scenario is highly unlikely anyway. But if for some reason Urban cared what I thought, I would choose Helfrich over Beck.
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
Because the lifeblood of Oregon recruiting is California. You can't coach at Oregon without recruiting Cali. I'm not arguing he's a better recruiter than Beck at all. I think he would do just fine as an assistant at Ohio State though considering the numerous advantages we have in recruiting. He didn't seem to hinder Chip when he was an assistant there.

I have no idea what Urban's opinion of him would be. This whole scenario is highly unlikely anyway. But if for some reason Urban cared what I thought, I would choose Helfrich over Beck.
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I hear you, I'm just playing the hypothetical game because there's nothing better for Buckeye fans to do until we find out our fate on Sunday... 8D
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Coaches evolve with time, situation, and location. We're done...
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I will agree with you there, Meyer certainly did attempt to change the offense in 2015 when he specifically went away from the predominantly QB-centric read option and used Cardale as his quarterback. He specifically noted the wear and tear on the quarterback position as witnessed by the physical pounding and ultimately the injury JT had. So he attempted to change direction.

But that didn't last long.
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
Check my username. I watch more Oregon football than anyone else on this board so allow me to drop some knowledge on yo' ass. He got fired because his defenses have been the worst in the country. I encourage you to look up their stats. Even the Big-12 looks at them in disgust.

As for this alleged "terrible qb play": he helped make Jeremiah Masoli, who had the skillset of a fullback, into a good college quarterback. He developed Darron Thomas who was mostly recruited as a receiver into a highly productive and efficient QB. He's the one who spotted a no-name recruit with hardly any offers named Marcus Mariota and convinced Chip to recruit him.

As far as post-Mariota, here are the stats:

Vernon Adams(grad transfer who didn't even have a full fall camp to learn the offense and played injured most of the year while missing time) - 64.9% 2,643 yards 26 TD's 6 INT's and a 179.1 QB rating!

Justin Herbert(true freshman who played behind an offensive line that started 4 other freshmen) - 63.5% 1936 yards 19 TD's 4 INT's 148.8 QB rating

He may have been a lousy head coach but he was very good with QB's.
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As an OC/QB coach I think he is one of the best out there. I'd love to see what he could do with Burrow, Haskins, Martell.
 
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jwinslow said:
2005 regressed for the first half of the year and wasted JT's best team. They need Krenzel-esque production from that offense to beat Texas and instead they got Bauserman production.

Tressel's offenses also tended to be kind of good but not elite, so it wasn't hard to maintain that level.
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2005 regressed the first half of the season because Troy got himself in the doghouse...
 
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Jake said:
When Tressel's offense is referenced it's usually called "Tressel's offense" but when the current offense is mentioned it rarely is called "Urban's offense", as though Beck/Warriner are running something foreign to UM and he's powerless to stop it. How is one head coach responsible but the other is not?
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I seem to recall Urban being baffled after the MSU game last year, and incredulous that Zeke only got two carries in the second half. He vowed to take a more active role in the offense, which resulted in the late season resurgence.

When Urban was first hired, his stated goal was to have the best coaching staff in the country. The best coaching staff in the country does not include Tim Beck. Oddly enough, it does include Lane Kiffin.
 
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