Tim Beck (HC Coastal Carolina)

[MililaniBuckeye]

So has JT Barrett. That does not mean he is without serious flaws.

I seem to recall our also doing pretty well with a kid named Braxton taking snaps.

Was there someone confusing Tressel with an above average offensive coach?

Just bringing some perspective to someone who seems somewhat unimpressed with Meyer's offense. And Tressel was arguably the most successful coach not named Hayes in school history, albeit with a markedly different game strategy than Meyer. I can't get access to our stats from under Cooper (work blocks cfbdatawarehouse), but I'll try and run a comparison between the offense production.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Very serious. Ever watch some of the later UF seasons? Not always sensational. I love Meyer, but I can see that no one is perfect. He is the best in the biz, but you can also see the flaws. No need to get chippy.

His time at UF has zero to do with what he's doing here. And no one said--or even-implied--he's perfect. But maybe you can give him some pointers about his flaws...

 

[Poe McKnoe]

Very serious. Ever watch some of the later UF seasons? Not always sensational. I love Meyer, but I can see that no one is perfect. He is the best in the biz, but you can also see the flaws. No need to get chippy.

Back when the Redskins TE was their starting part time QB, Chris Rainey was their #1 back, and Steve Addazzio ran the offense. Dark times.

His time at UF has zero to do with what he's doing here. And no one said--or even-implied--he's perfect. But maybe you can give him some pointers about his flaws...

Urban doesn't read BP?

 

[jwinslow]

I seem to recall our also doing pretty well with a kid named Braxton taking snaps.

I seem to recall a lot of lofty stats, and still not being able to handle the bully from East Lansing.

Just bringing some perspective to someone who seems somewhat unimpressed with Meyer's offense. And Tressel was arguably the most successful coach not named Hayes in school history, albeit with a markedly different game strategy than Meyer. I can't get access to our stats from under Cooper (work blocks cfbdatawarehouse), but I'll try and run a comparison between the offense production.

Both were amazing coaches and we will not fully appreciate them until OSU's unprecedented run of coaches comes to an end.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Great recruiter but he has shown nothing so far in his career to indicate he is a good QB coach. I don't blame all of the offensive struggles on him though. Clock management has been a clusterfuck all year and that's on Urban, and pass protection has been wildly inconsistent. But I don't like the way JT throws the ball anymore. His touch has all but disappeared and he's late on a lot of throws. Mark Helfrich does an exceptional job of playing to his QB's strengths and simplifying things for them and that's why I would love to see Urban bring him in.

 

[pnuts34]

Great recruiter but he has shown nothing so far in his career to indicate he is a good QB coach. I don't blame all of the offensive struggles on him though. Clock management has been a clusterfuck all year and that's on Urban, and pass protection has been wildly inconsistent. But I don't like the way JT throws the ball anymore. His touch has all but disappeared and he's late on a lot of throws. Mark Helfrich does an exceptional job of playing to his QB's strengths and simplifying things for them and that's why I would love to see Urban bring him in.

And to keep this on Beck, I have a few questions(not attacking just inquiring): how do we keep him as a coach for his recruiting prowess? How do we know that all of JT's regression has all to do with Beck, isn't some to blame on the O line, WRs and his own indecisiveness? Why is are all of the issues with the offense falling on Beck, and not more on Warriner and Barrett himself?

 

[Poe McKnoe]

And to keep this on Beck, I have a few questions(not attacking just inquiring): how do we keep him as a coach for his recruiting prowess? How do we know that all of JT's regression has all to do with Beck, isn't some to blame on the O line, WRs and his own indecisiveness? Why is are all of the issues with the offense falling on Beck, and not more on Warriner and Barrett himself?

Not to be a dick, but this thread didn't get to 68 pages on praise alone.

 

[pnuts34]

Not to be a dick, but this thread didn't get to 68 pages on praise alone.

Gotcha...


So why no mention also of Joker Philips to OC with him being on the staff? Sarkisian is in the same position at Alabama and is probably going to be their OC if/when Joey Fresh.er. I mean Lane Kiffin leaves for Houston or LSU

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Gotcha...


So why no mention also of Joker Philips to OC with him being on the staff? Sarkisian is in the same position at Alabama and is probably going to be their OC if/when Joey Fresh.er. I mean Lane Kiffin leaves for Houston or LSU

Joker is Z smith insurance

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Man, have you seen the terrible QB play by Oregon since Helfrich has been the HC? No thanks. The main reason that Helfrich got fired was because he couldn't develop a QB and kept going after GTs instead of recruiting

Check my username. I watch more Oregon football than anyone else on this board so allow me to drop some knowledge on yo' ass. He got fired because his defenses have been the worst in the country. I encourage you to look up their stats. Even the Big-12 looks at them in disgust.

As for this alleged "terrible qb play": he helped make Jeremiah Masoli, who had the skillset of a fullback, into a good college quarterback. He developed Darron Thomas who was mostly recruited as a receiver into a highly productive and efficient QB. He's the one who spotted a no-name recruit with hardly any offers named Marcus Mariota and convinced Chip to recruit him.

As far as post-Mariota, here are the stats:

Vernon Adams(grad transfer who didn't even have a full fall camp to learn the offense and played injured most of the year while missing time) - 64.9% 2,643 yards 26 TD's 6 INT's and a 179.1 QB rating!

Justin Herbert(true freshman who played behind an offensive line that started 4 other freshmen) - 63.5% 1936 yards 19 TD's 4 INT's 148.8 QB rating

He may have been a lousy head coach but he was very good with QB's.

 

[pnuts34]

Check my username. I watch more Oregon football than anyone else on this board so allow me to drop some knowledge on yo' ass. He got fired because his defenses have been the worst in the country. I encourage you to look up their stats. Even the Big-12 looks at them in disgust.

As for this alleged "terrible qb play": he helped make Jeremiah Masoli, who had the skillset of a fullback, into a good college quarterback. He developed Darron Thomas who was mostly recruited as a receiver into a highly productive and efficient QB. He's the one who spotted a no-name recruit with hardly any offers named Marcus Mariota and convinced Chip to recruit him.

As far as post-Mariota, here are the stats:

Vernon Adams(grad transfer who didn't even have a full fall camp to learn the offense and played injured most of the year while missing time) - 64.9% 2,643 yards 26 TD's 6 INT's and a 179.1 QB rating!

Justin Herbert(true freshman who played behind an offensive line that started 4 other freshmen) - 63.5% 1936 yards 19 TD's 4 INT's 148.8 QB rating

He may have been a lousy head coach but he was very good with QB's.

I went back and looked over his QB stats, and if you notice, I retracted that statement, LOL!
I hear you on Helfrich, but would question how far fetched it would be for OSU to pursue him. Would he not focus on recruiting?

 

[Zander42]

I encourage you to look up their stats. Even the Big-12 looks at them in disgust.

 

[Buckeneye]

And to keep this on Beck, I have a few questions(not attacking just inquiring): how do we keep him as a coach for his recruiting prowess? How do we know that all of JT's regression has all to do with Beck, isn't some to blame on the O line, WRs and his own indecisiveness? Why is are all of the issues with the offense falling on Beck, and not more on Warriner and Barrett himself?

The first 3/4 of last year with a different QB, pro bowl RB, WR and 1st round LT yielded similar results with offensive inconsistency and at times flat out non-effectiveness.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

I went back and looked over his QB stats, and if you notice, I retracted that statement, LOL!
I hear you on Helfrich, but would question how far fetched it would be for OSU to pursue him. Would he not focus on recruiting?

I think he's a poor recruiter as a head coach and that also led to his demise. But, I think with the Ohio State brand name, his west coast ties, and his ability to say he developed Mariota from a 3 star recruit into a Heisman winner and top 2 draft pick would appeal to plenty of recruits. We may lose traction in Texas but we would gain entrance into Cali.

 

[ExpatAkronite]

Check my username. I watch more Oregon football than anyone else on this board so allow me to drop some knowledge on yo' ass. He got fired because his defenses have been the worst in the country. I encourage you to look up their stats. Even the Big-12 looks at them in disgust.

As for this alleged "terrible qb play": he helped make Jeremiah Masoli, who had the skillset of a fullback, into a good college quarterback. He developed Darron Thomas who was mostly recruited as a receiver into a highly productive and efficient QB. He's the one who spotted a no-name recruit with hardly any offers named Marcus Mariota and convinced Chip to recruit him.

As far as post-Mariota, here are the stats:

Vernon Adams(grad transfer who didn't even have a full fall camp to learn the offense and played injured most of the year while missing time) - 64.9% 2,643 yards 26 TD's 6 INT's and a 179.1 QB rating!

Justin Herbert(true freshman who played behind an offensive line that started 4 other freshmen) - 63.5% 1936 yards 19 TD's 4 INT's 148.8 QB rating

He may have been a lousy head coach but he was very good with QB's.

Well, I too have watched a lot of OR football--since the bloody fucking Toilet Bowl (remember when they wanted to kick both OR schools out of the PAC?). I don't think anyone (including Portland media) is really sure who was/is the QB guru--Chip or Helf. One thing though is a fact (you can search OR Live for the article) Mariota was "discovered" by a Hawaiian scout with long ties to UO. Helfrich was sent to take a look and confirmed it.

At the end of the day even if Helf is a great qb guru he hasn't proven himself a great recruiter or OC. Can any elite program afford to bring a guy in with one skill set? There seem to be calls to bring in Helfrich in about six different threads. From my cheap seats in Portland I don't get it. (Then again I don't make 3-5 mil a year to get it.) I would suggest only to temper the enthusiasm about Helf--there are young, upcoming OC's out there and Meyer has done a good job of finding them.