Tim Beck (HC Coastal Carolina)

[AuTX Buckeye]

When Tressel's offense is referenced it's usually called "Tressel's offense" but when the current offense is mentioned it rarely is called "Urban's offense", as though Beck/Warriner are running something foreign to UM and he's powerless to stop it. How is one head coach responsible but the other is not?

I get what you're saying but Tressel didn't have a QB coach once Daniels got sick and had Walrus coaching OL and calling plays. Urban has stated that he wanted to be more hands off for his health. Ultimately its Urban's offense but the implementation falls on Beck/Warriner wouldn't you agree?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

When Tressel's offense is referenced it's usually called "Tressel's offense" but when the current offense is mentioned it rarely is called "Urban's offense", as though Beck/Warriner are running something foreign to UM and he's powerless to stop it. How is one head coach responsible but the other is not?

Because since Beck has been hired, Urban's offense has left the building.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Because since Beck has been hired, Urban's offense against good defenses has left the building.

fify

77 against BGSU, 58 against Rutgers (should've been 65 save a ticky-tack penalty), 62 against Nebraska, 62 against Maryland. It's the defenses that require a shit ton of preparation and the ability to quickly adjust that give him trouble. Wiscy, Sparty, scUM, and even the Pedsters made him look bad.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Because since Beck has been hired, Urban's offense has left the building.

Urb's offenses haven't always been great. Make no mistake, this IS HIS offense.

 

[Rookie]

As much as we hate on Tim; myself included, didn't he just bring in a 5* linebacker in Browning? Maybe he benefits our University in a less hands-on role and moves onto something more administrative within recruiting? I don't know how the CFP will go and I don't know how the off-season will be handled, but the regression on offense is obvious and it needs to be addressed. If it is in-fact "Urb's offense" then he needs to bring in better people to assist with developing his offense into something more successful.

Urban is a great coach and a great motivator, I don't doubt his ability, but players come here to develop. In what I've seen from JT this year he has not developed, which is a direct reflection of the QB Coach. I love him for his competitiveness and athleticism, but missing open throws has become the norm.

 

[scarletngray]

Urban has spoken admirably of Kevin Wilson's Offensive strategies. Said he has followed him for years. I wonder if he is in consideration to come on board and help with the Offense.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

When Tressel's offense is referenced it's usually called "Tressel's offense" but when the current offense is mentioned it rarely is called "Urban's offense", as though Beck/Warriner are running something foreign to UM and he's powerless to stop it. How is one head coach responsible but the other is not?

Tressel was the main playcaller. He made Tresselball work. Hazell and Bollman were involved, but it ran through Tressel. There is a reason he held the play sheet. Remember 2011? That's what happens when you take Tressel out of his offense.

Urban hires Herman to run his offense. Herman modified Urban's Utah/Florida offense. Urban hired Warinner and Beck to modify and run their version of Meyer/Herman offense. I don't see Urban calling each play, but I do see him giving input. He's more heavily involved in the big games. I agree with @jwinslow that Meyer is the common denominator of overly conservative, QB run heavy portions of big games. Is that because he doesn't trust the OC? I don't know. I think he needs a OC he trusts and that can overrule him.

My 2 cents.

 

[pnuts34]

Urban has spoken admirably of Kevin Wilson's Offensive strategies. Said he has followed him for years. I wonder if he is in consideration to come on board and help with the Offense.

Idk if Wilson would get hired here after getting fired for abusing players... NCAA is coming down hard on that it seems.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

Idk if Wilson would get hired here after getting fired for abusing players... NCAA is coming down hard on that it seems.

Legally, he resigned for pennies on the dollar of his contract; nothing NCAA related. Would be great, but probably not a good look.

 

[jwinslow]

Maybe not Kevin Wilson, but if someone could help Urban to run a HUNH with greater quickness than a John Navarre scramble, that would be swell. Beck may have his flaws, but things like that abomination at the end of regulation (vs UM) are all Urban.

Beck didn't just steal Browning, he's flat out dominating in Texas, which happens to be the best talent pool in america. Oh, and they're leading or near the top for many of the top texans last year too.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Urb's offenses haven't always been great. Make no mistake, this IS HIS offense.

You can't be serious. Meyer's offenses have set numerous school records here. During his five years here, Ohio State has scored in the 70s twice, in the 60s six times, in the 50s eleven times, and in the 40s seventeen times. Conversely, Tressel's teams scored in the 70s once, scored in the 60s zero times, in the 50s five times, and in the 40s nineteen times...and that's with exactly twice as many years as head coach.

To put this into perspective, in an average season under Meyer you could expect Ohio State to score in the 60s at least once, in the 50s at least twice, and in the 40s at least three times (along with a 70-point game every other year or so). Under Tressel, you could expect two 40-point games a year along with one 50-point game every other year. Granted, the offense is prone to shitting the bed occasionally, but for all intent and purposes he has had arguably the greatest five-year run of points production in school history...

 

[jwinslow]

You can't be serious. Meyer's offenses have set numerous school records here.

So has JT Barrett. That does not mean he is without serious flaws.

During his five years here, Ohio State has scored in the 70s twice, in the 60s six times, in the 50s eleven times, and in the 40s seventeen times. Conversely, Tressel's teams scored in the 70s once, scored in the 60s zero times, in the 50s five times, and in the 40s nineteen times...and that's with exactly twice as many years as head coach.

Was there someone confusing Tressel with an above average offensive coach?

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Don't they get an extra assistant coach this coming year? Keep Beck put him as the "recruiting coach" and bring in an new Co-OC? win win right?

 

[Poe McKnoe]

Co-Co-Co-Co-Offensive Cooridnator is not a great title.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

You can't be serious. Meyer's offenses have set numerous school records here. During his five years here, Ohio State has scored in the 70s twice, in the 60s six times, in the 50s eleven times, and in the 40s seventeen times. Conversely, Tressel's teams scored in the 70s once, scored in the 60s zero times, in the 50s five times, and in the 40s nineteen times...and that's with exactly twice as many years as head coach.

To put this into perspective, in an average season under Meyer you could expect Ohio State to score in the 60s at least once, in the 50s at least twice, and in the 40s at least three times (along with a 70-point game every other year or so). Under Tressel, you could expect two 40-point games a year along with one 50-point game every other year. Granted, the offense is prone to [Mark May]ting the bed occasionally, but for all intent and purposes he has had arguably the greatest five-year run of points production in school history...

Very serious. Ever watch some of the later UF seasons? Not always sensational. I love Meyer, but I can see that no one is perfect. He is the best in the biz, but you can also see the flaws. No need to get chippy.