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Tiger Woods (Offical Thread)

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OH10;1608078; said:
I know the public doesn't like it, but it really is a private matter.

If he says it was an adverse reaction to some prescription pain medication that cause him to pass out, no one will believe it because its not juicy enough. If he comes out and says his wife beat him with graphite-shaft iron, then he puts her in legal trouble. Like it or not, that's his personal decision how he deals with that. Which is more important? His marriage? Or the public's sense of entitlement?

His endorsements are going to take a hit under either scenario. But he's still going to be the best golfer in the world and make a lot of money under either scenario. I wish I had those kindo of options.

It will probably go away a lot quicker if he simply comes out as say, "It's a private matter and I'll pay my fine for hitting the fire hydrant."

Bottom line: he may or may not have had an affair; his wife may or may not have assaulted him; either way, I'm baffled why the public believes they are "entitled" to hear about it.



TMZ does a great job with sources. But if you were that close of a friend with Tiger Woods, would you really ruin that by blabbing to some internet tabloid? Almost makes the report tough to believe.
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Actually Tiger swings steel shafts, so this whole scenario is obviously bogus. :tongue2:
 
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OH10;1608078; said:
I know the public doesn't like it, but it really is a private matter.

If he says it was an adverse reaction to some prescription pain medication that cause him to pass out, no one will believe it because its not juicy enough. If he comes out and says his wife beat him with graphite-shaft iron, then he puts her in legal trouble. Like it or not, that's his personal decision how he deals with that. Which is more important? His marriage? Or the public's sense of entitlement?

His endorsements are going to take a hit under either scenario. But he's still going to be the best golfer in the world and make a lot of money under either scenario. I wish I had those kindo of options.

It will probably go away a lot quicker if he simply comes out as say, "It's a private matter and I'll pay my fine for hitting the fire hydrant."

Bottom line: he may or may not have had an affair; his wife may or may not have assaulted him; either way, I'm baffled why the public believes they are "entitled" to hear about it.
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I don't see the general public jumping up and down demanding answers. Members of the media, yes, but not John and Jane Doe. As a matter of fact, most of us aren't going to have any sleepless nights over this. Not too many people go out and park their lawn chairs in front of a set of train tracks waiting for a wreck. But if you happen to be driving down the street and witness one, everyone will stop and look...

What probably would have been a private matter (rumored infedelity) became a public matter with the MVA that occurred in the public right of way. It sounds like many pieces of that puzzle are not fitting together, and the Wood family's response to the investigation is fueling the fire. You cannot live a very public lifestyle, travel down this path, and expect a pass because you want to protect your investment (your own credibility). It's almost like they are throwing out fresh meat for the vultures (media). Like I said earlier, this is turning out to be more of a PR FAIL than anything else.

In this day and age, everyone who makes a living in the public eye has to deal with it. Tiger Woods is no different.
 
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buckcfd;1608181; said:
Like I said earlier, this is turning out to be more of a PR FAIL than anything else.
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I'm baffled by the continued overuse of the "fail" thing. But there are more concerns here besides PR - primarily being legal and marital, both of which come before PR. And he's done everything any good attorney (unconcerned with PR) would advise him to do in the situation - which is to issue a vague written statement and shut your mouth.
 
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Can someone who understands this legal stuff tell me how he and his lawyer can refuse to discuss this matter with the police when they knock on his door? This is like the third day in a row that the police have tried to question him but were turned away. I thought if the police dept is investigating something, you have to cooperate? Anyone know how this works?
 
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OH10;1608183; said:
I'm baffled by the continued overuse of the "fail" thing. But there are more concerns here besides PR - primarily being legal and marital, both of which come before PR. And he's done everything any good attorney (unconcerned with PR) would advise him to do in the situation - which is to issue a vague written statement and shut your mouth.
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SI.com - The Fortunate 50

2008 golf earnings - $22.9 million
2008 endorsement earnings - $105 million

Why is he having to worry about his marriage if this is all just one big misunderstanding?

If you are Tiger Woods, the PR-Legal-Marital thing is all one problem. Tiger makes most of his $$$ from endorsements. It is now day 3 of negative publicity in the age of 24 hour media. As I sit here watching a whole day's worth of NFL football, I have not seen a single Tiger Woods commercial on TV in the Cincinnati market (if someone has, please correct me). Normally by now I would have seen at least a Nike, Gatorade, and/or Gillette commercial starring Tiger.

Tiger Woods is a corporaton, just like Kobe Bryant. Your accompishments within your profession, along with your credibility, are considered when you sign the contract. That is why most of these contracts have an "integrity clause". If I remember correctly, Kobe took a pretty good hit on endorsements after the whole "sex saga" and had to spend some time rebuilding the "corporation". That incident happened in 2003, and it's still the first thing that I am instantly reminded of when I hear his name (I am probably not the only person).

The longer this drags on, the more likely that most folks will associate Tiger Woods with the current situation before they think of him as a successful pro golfer. When you see Tiger Woods on TV, the first thing you will picture in your head is a raging mad, hot viking girl smacking him in the face with a golf club, and Tiger with two black eyes like Emu Boy. Then you will giggle...
 
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The longer this drags on, the more likely that most folks will associate Tiger Woods with the current situation before they think of him as a successful pro golfer.
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True. But worse than not responding would be to put out a story that you can't stick with down the road.

Along with saving his "brand" Tiger is probably working on his marriage right now. Evidence would suggest 1) he has been a bad boy, 2) his wife is not happy about it, 3) his wife has a bit of a temper.

He not only has to put out a story for public consumption, he has to make sure his wife is buying in. Unless he no longer wishes to live with her - and the kids - and wow, what a mess to have to sort out.

I would take a day or two myself.


As for standing up the police. I don't think there is an issue here of any urgency. I am sure Tiger will pay for any and all damages. He is not a flight risk. Not giving a prompt, detailed interview over a minor traffic accident/domestic dispute (particular where he seems to be the injured party) does not seem unreasonable.

After all, he is a reliable and trusted professional golfer, not a Harvard Professor.
 
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I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck, so this strumpet...this fucking whore...could take a 9-iron to Tiger Wood's skull.
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OH10;1607598; said:
Actually, neither he nor his wife are required to make any statement at this point. There's speculation of both Domestic Violence and, potentially, operating a vehicle under the influence of prescription pain medication. So either or both could be subject to criminal charges. Therefore....

5th Amendment kicks in.
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OH10;1607740; said:
You're right - you're no attorney. He has the right not to answer any questions, whether in custody, in court, or in his home. It is the right against self incrimination, period. No one under potential investigation has a responsibility to give a statement, especially if the statement could incriminate them.



Absolutely incorrect. Unless they have probable cause to support an arrest, they have no authority to take him in. Even if they did have PC, its unlikely they would issue an arrest warrant for what is probably a misdemeanor (DV or OVI) in the State of Florida. And even if they did arrest him or her, neither would have to answer any questions.

The 5th Amendment is not that complicated.

This is not a case of special treatment for a celebrity. Its how the law works in the real world.
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OH10;1607997; said:
Couldn't be more wrong. Its not destruction of public property if its unintentional. At most right now, it would be "failure to control", which is a minor misdemeanor traffic ticket. In the real world, they don't arrest people or issue warrants for that sort of thing.

Now, the reports indicate that he could have been driving under the influence of pain medication, which is also a misdemeanor in most states OR his wife could have committed domestic violence, which is also a misdemeanor in most states.

If it was your or me, they'd present what they have to a prosecutor, who would determine if the evidence supported charges. If the prosecutor determined that the evidence supported charges, a summons would be issued for Tiger or his wife to appear in Court for an arraignment hearing. If the prosecutor determined there wasn't enough evidence, the police would have to go out and determine if they can obtain evidence to support a charge. For most people, the prosecutor's decision that the evidence doesn't support a charge would be the end of it unless someone wanted to pursue it. No appears to want to pursue it, so it probably will amount to nothing.

The only reason more may come of this is BECAUSE Tiger is a celebrity. If he was just some regular joe, he would either be charged or the matter would be concluded. I'm guessing they don't have any evidence to support charges either way, except a minor misdemeanor traffic ticket - which is not a big deal.

But either way, neither Tiger nor his wife have to make a statement. Its amazing to me how poorly uninformed the public is on this issue..
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buckeyes_rock;1608196; said:
Can someone who understands this legal stuff tell me how he and his lawyer can refuse to discuss this matter with the police when they knock on his door? This is like the third day in a row that the police have tried to question him but were turned away. I thought if the police dept is investigating something, you have to cooperate? Anyone know how this works?
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This should help...
 
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