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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

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souL: "The question, Sloops, is: Have you spent enough time on other campuses to accurately make that comparison?"

To answer, I went to OSU and got my MBA at the University of Miami (Florida). I've got good close friends who went to Boston College, UConn, scUM, Villanova, Syracuse, Northwestern, OU, and many other smaller schools that you may (or may not) have heard of. I've been to most of these schools at various times, and I can tell you: NONE OF THEM are Ohio State.

Like for example, Syracuse (IMO) is a great party school. But its a much, MUCH smaller scale than OSU. While a block or two at the 'Cuse (say, for a big basketball win) may be tearing it up, an equivalent party at OSU starts on 10th (South Campus) and goes on unhindered for miles. Plus, the bars there are much more spread out. Unlike the way High Street was. For me to go to a bar at the 'Cuse, I'd have to go to a little trouble: hop in a car, drive, yadda, yadda. At OSU, all I had to do was fall out of bed.

"There's one festival where it's just about literally four days of wide open drunken/drugged out orgy of madness pouring out into the streets. It's like a scene from a NC-17 movie drug out over 96 hours."

Ah ha! And here's the difference again: what happens at a festival at DePauw is like an everyday occurance at OSU. This type of stuff happens EVERY DAY! 25 Cent pitchers on Sundays at Coeds, Beat the Clock Fridays at the Cornerstone, Ekoostik Hookah at Rockers on Mondays, Thursday Bear Wrestling at Flyers, etc. Every single day there's something going on. At OSU, a Monday in January isn't much different than a Saturday night in May.

buckiprof: "The key is to not get caught, or at least, not get caught too often."

D-I-T-T-O, D-I-T-T-O, D-I-T-T-O, and DITT-O was his Name-O!
 
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I know a booster...I don't know if he gave any $$ handshakes, but he is very, very wealthy and would do just about anything to build a "friendship" with a star athlete. He's also a complete idiot.

In fact, he's the idiot that gave Clarrett the brilliant advice to consider going to the NFL after his 3rd game in Scarlet and Gray- the impetus to Clarrett's wonderful National Enquirer - oops ESPN relationship. He bragged about it at the time. Idiot
 
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You must be much better than avoiding trouble than about everyone I know. I know plenty of people who spent about 11 years at OSU, but none of them even came close to becoming a professor.
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jlb - It was the only area that I felt somewhat gifted at, kinda like an extra sense in staying one step ahead of serious trouble, most of the time. (Although the time I got pulled over in Kentucky with 3 buddies heading to FLA for Spring Break with about 6 beers in me, 18 empties in the car, the cooler full, and the KY highway patrol watching us pass a joint around while driving, that one I thought I was in deep shit! But after 30 minutes on the side of the road, talking and explaining, we handed over some weed and were told that we'd better be careful and sent on our way. Thankfully they never looked in the glove box for the main stash.:biggrin:)
 
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VLMarti posted a very good insightful post over on the other Buckeye site this evening. Just thought I'd share it. It's nice to get the perspective of someone within the Buckeye family (VLMarti is Mangold's father for those who don't know) during a time like this.


http://mb6.scout.com/fohiostatefrm1.showMessage?topicID=34851.topic


Disclaimer: I am not responsible for the content of anything else on this site other than VLMarti's post. Please consult your doctor with any symptoms derived from reading posts from other individuals.

Edit: This was posted initially on the Rumor Mill board by Ohiobuck. Just posting it on this board for those who haven't seen it.
 
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take that vlmarti post with a grain of salt....i love vl...but he has an agenda....

he can say whatever he wants....but...there comes a time to call it as it is....i mean people it is what it is.....what more do you need...???
 
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here it is from http://mb6.scout.com/fohiostatefrm1.showMessage?topicID=34851.topic

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Reply </TD><TD class=m vAlign=top align=left>Recruiting, standards, expectations and the latest on Smith <HR SIZE=1>We now enter a strange season. For weeks to come, we must endure the endless nonsense that is associated with the transgressions of a young man who plays football at OSU.

While I would rather that this matter pass with a minimum of public comment, I realize that it is impossible to ignore the obvious: the most dedicated and rabid of Buckeye fans will focus on this matter to the exclusion of all else.

So be it. A record setting QB claws a starting job away from the heir appearant and proceeds to slay the Furry Striped monster on his first attempt. Stuff of dreams and legends.

Those dreams are dashed in the eyes of some of the fanatics due to an indiscretion that is largely undisclosed. Once again, a tragic incident will be perversely distorted out of proportion with reality.

As we enter this Smith imposed Silly Season, I offer a primer to help my fellow Bucks with the avalanche of posts that we will have to endure.

1- Tressel Recruits Are Inferior

I have four children, two who are currently teenagers and one who just emerged from that transition. Kids. And kids make mistakes. Anyone who is the parent of a teenager can attest to this.

No matter how hard Tressel and company vet their respective recruits, at the end of the day, they are still kids. They will make mistakes. It is the nature of the beast.

JT's recruits have already distinguished themselves on the field and in the classroom. He does not need to make any excuses or apologies for the vagaries of human nature, especially since his charges live their lives in a fish bowl.

Remember this point the next time a salivating poster hyperventilates over a man-child with a 4.2 40 that Coach Tressel takes a pass on. He takes his job seriously and executes his judgement well.

Kids are still kids.



2- This Smith Episode Will Hurt Recruiting

The only potential recruit that may be marginally and negatively affected would be any young man who would construe Coach Tressel's actions as too harsh. In the end, any potential recruit who felt that way probably should not choose to come to OSU.

Quality candidates want a coach who is tough, firm and fair. It is all about respect.



3- Why Doesn't Geiger and Tressel Tell Us All Of The Details?

This question falls in the "Read my lips" category of absurdity: BECAUSE THEY CAN'T!

Federal privacy laws, school policy and NCAA regulations prevent Geiger and Tressel from saying virtually anything of substance- even if they wanted to. Complain if you wish, but the rules are the rules. Grades, medical condition and eligibility are private and protected matters.

If you don't like the federal statutes, write your congressman. If you are upset with OSU policies, address your missive to Madam Holbrook. If you wish to modify the NCAA regulations you better have a hot line to St. Peter or a real good relationship with Devil, because they really do not care what the rank and file think!


4- Tressel's Program Is In Meltdown

As Corso would say "Not so fast my friend!" JT administers the team like a family. That is not simply a trite and shop worn commentary- it is the truth.

One of the family members has broken a rule and he must suffer a "time out". Still loved, still cared for, but subject to punishment.

Notice how OSU was ahead of the press and the Internet (even my beloved fellow Bucknut junkies!) on this issue? Geiger and Tressel self-report to the NCAA early and with impunity. It is the only way to handle these type of situations in this crazy 24/7 Internet driven age.

Other coaches, even in today's climate, would think twice about suspending the starting quarterback immediately before a Bowl game. Look at the decision Kansas State made last year in the Fiesta Bowl.

The temptation to simply say "Well, nobody knows about this, let's simply let it lay low until after the Bowl game" is incredibly strong.

But not for Geiger and Tressel.



5- This News Will Be Devasting For The Team

Only if we let it.

Probably the single negative aspect of team discipline that affects our young men is the thought that a fellow player intentionaly betrayed them. This is the ultimate sin.

But a real close second is the endless string of questions that the boys are going to hear for the next 9 days:

"How do you feel?"

"Are you angry with Smith?"

"Does this impact your concentration?"

"What is the mood of the team?"

"Will Smith be able to redeem himself?"

"Can you possibly beat Oklahoma State without Smith?"

For the foreign lurkers on this site- Michigan rodents, USC gadflies, Miami sore losers and assorted MAC wannabees, you will obviously enjoy having sport with the Bucks for the next week and while you can. Paybacks are hell!

For my fellow Buck fans- practice what you preach. Rally behind Zwick, let Smith suffer his punishment with quiet dignity, and cheer the boys on to victory.

On a personal note, I have the pleasure of knowing Troy Smith for the past three years and I can state, without hesitation, that he is a fine upstanding young man. Late to OSU as a last add after the Richards Washington flame out, he has been humble, polite and hard working. He is a team player who is, no doubt, harder on himself right now than any figure in authority could possibly be. He will survive this appearant error in judgement and will find a way to rise above it.

GO BUCKS!

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I don't get too excited about this kind of stuff that I know will play itself out over time. I'm thinking that Troy better do some great things in the next few years here at OSU. Cause right now he'd get my vote for biggest Dingleberry on the team.
 
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Alan said:
there comes a time to call it as it is....i mean people it is what it is.....what more do you need...???
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How about we start with what "it" is? Those who know what "it" is, will not say what "it" is. So, all we really know is that Troy screwed up (in some way) and will not be playing in the Alamo Bowl, but will be playing next year if the NCAA approves. I've screwed up before....don't know if I've screwed up as badly as Troy did because I don't know what he did.
 
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Alan said:
take that vlmarti post with a grain of salt....i love vl...but he has an agenda....

he can say whatever he wants....but...there comes a time to call it as it is....i mean people it is what it is.....what more do you need...???
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Well, Alan, you seem to know much more than I so I cannot fully agree until I hear the details. But I gotta say that even I am beginning to feel the same way. I am sick and tired of the insinuations and innuendo. I am sick of these tales. If this is about money or gifts, and that is what you appear to be asserting, then how could anyone be so stupid? So selfish? It demeans the young athletes on all OSU teams. It demeans the degrees the University bestows. This is getting to the point that it can go no further.
 
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