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QB Troy Smith (2006 Heisman Trophy Winner)

We don't. Look, I don't know how many of you went to OSU, lived on, or spent a great deal of time on campus: YOU HAVE TO HAVE INHUMAN WILLPOWER OR BE MARY POPPINS TO NOT GET IN TROUBLE ON CAMPUS. Its probably increased 1000% if you are a football player on said campus.
While I do agree with the overall message of your post, i.e., JT isn't and can't be held responsible for the players 24/7 or people outside of the program, to say JT is above being looked at struck me. I wouldn't look at JT as being responsible, but is there something he could have done to have prevented/discouraged this? I don't know JT personally, but I would bet Pete Rose $50 that JT has asked himself that question. It seems to fit his nature.

I was at OSU from '82-'91 and I completely disagree with your assertion of what it takes to not get in trouble at OSU. The key is to not get caught, or at least, not get caught too often.:biggrin:
 
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Goof-Dawg: "Man, I've thought the same thing."

Yeah dude. Every OSU Grad or former/current student thinks the same thing. Its like our own group secret.

"I've been to some of those schools and I have friends at some they mention and it's laughable, even to the ones that have been on OSU's campus a decent amount."

No question about it. Each school has its own category: West Virginia is the easiest to pick up chicks, Miami of Ohio has the most stuck-up bitches, OSU is the biggest party school, yadda, yadda. Any moron college kid could write those lists way more accurately than some journalist who flies down for a two days to check out the school.

Has someone allowed me access to the Rumor Mill page yet?? How long does this take??
 
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NewYorkBuck said:
Short of him moonlighting as a brain surgeon, please explain to me where a college kid of a modest background obtains the means for decoration like this. I would love to hear that. <O:p></O:p>

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I can hook you up with a $30 Rolex watch from here in Korea if that will help.
 
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Some of this may be redundant, but I'm going to chime in with my 2 cents anyway. First of all, any player who takes cash from a booster (knowing full well that it's wrong) is a fucking idiot. On top of that, with the shitstorm that we've just weathered finally beginning to die down, any player who is totally fucking stupid enough to do it now should be kicked off the team.

Granted, we may all be reacting too soon, but if he took improper benefits from someone, he should be kicked off the team. Fuck him. By doing this, he's putting the University's entire program at risk, he's putting over 80 other guys' college playing careers at risk, he's putting the coaching staff's jobs at risk, not to mention putting his own stupid fucking self at risk.

If he's guilty, I say boot him. And that should be policy for everyone from now on. If you fuck up, you're out.
 
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I honestly couldn't say whether it was a result of the NCAA investigation or not. It could have very well come from some merchants looking after the University....see, not all merchants want to give things out, if that is the case.
 
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Thanks Fol, that's what I thought, too. The reason I asked was that if the NCAA doesn't already know about it, maybe it COULD have been hushed up.

I get hammered for this opinion, but AG and JT continually do and say things that are stupid if they are culpable for some behavior violative of NCAA rules. They shouldn't be reporting stuff, they oughta be stonewalling, Dick Nixon style.
 
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IrontonBuck said:
Thanks Fol, that's what I thought, too. The reason I asked was that if the NCAA doesn't already know about it, maybe it COULD have been hushed up.

I get hammered for this opinion, but AG and JT continually do and say things that are stupid if they are culpable for some behavior violative of NCAA rules. They shouldn't be reporting stuff, they oughta be stonewalling, Dick Nixon style.
actually, I think they are saying all the right things with the exception of Geiger's continual temper tantrums and badmouthing. NCAA problems or not.
 
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buckiprof said:
I was at OSU from '82-'91 and I completely disagree with your assertion of what it takes to not get in trouble at OSU. The key is to not get caught, or at least, not get caught too often.:biggrin:
You must be much better than avoiding trouble than about everyone I know. I know plenty of people who spent about 11 years at OSU, but none of them even came close to becoming a professor.
 
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Maybe this message from VLMarti on BN will calm us down.

VLMarti
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(12/20/04 8:45:09 pm)
Reply Recruiting, standards, expectations and the latest on Smith We now enter a strange season. For weeks to come, we must endure the endless nonsense that is associated with the transgressions of a young man who plays football at OSU.

While I would rather that this matter pass with a minimum of public comment, I realize that it is impossible to ignore the obvious: the most dedicated and rabid of Buckeye fans will focus on this matter to the exclusion of all else.

So be it. A record setting QB claws a starting job away from the heir appearant and proceeds to slay the Furry Striped monster on his first attempt. Stuff of dreams and legends.

Those dreams are dashed in the eyes of some of the fanatics due to an indiscretion that is largely undisclosed. Once again, a tragic incident will be perversely distorted out of proportion with reality.

As we enter this Smith imposed Silly Season, I offer a primer to help my fellow Bucks with the avalanche of posts that we will have to endure.

1- Tressel Recruits Are Inferior

I have four children, two who are currently teenagers and one who just emerged from that transition. Kids. And kids make mistakes. Anyone who is the parent of a teenager can attest to this.

No matter how hard Tressel and company vet their respective recruits, at the end of the day, they are still kids. They will make mistakes. It is the nature of the beast.

JT's recruits have already distinguished themselves on the field and in the classroom. He does not need to make any excuses or apologies for the vagaries of human nature, especially since his charges live their lives in a fish bowl.

Remember this point the next time a salivating poster hyperventilates over a man-child with a 4.2 40 that Coach Tressel takes a pass on. He takes his job seriously and executes his judgement well.

Kids are still kids.



2- This Smith Episode Will Hurt Recruiting

The only potential recruit that may be marginally and negatively affected would be any young man who would construe Coach Tressel's actions as too harsh. In the end, any potential recruit who felt that way probably should not choose to come to OSU.

Quality candidates want a coach who is tough, firm and fair. It is all about respect.



3- Why Doesn't Geiger and Tressel Tell Us All Of The Details?

This question falls in the "Read my lips" category of absurdity: BECAUSE THEY CAN'T!

Federal privacy laws, school policy and NCAA regulations prevent Geiger and Tressel from saying virtually anything of substance- even if they wanted to. Complain if you wish, but the rules are the rules. Grades, medical condition and eligibility are private and protected matters.

If you don't like the federal statutes, write your congressman. If you are upset with OSU policies, address your missive to Madam Holbrook. If you wish to modify the NCAA regulations you better have a hot line to St. Peter or a real good relationship with Devil, because they really do not care what the rank and file think!


4- Tressel's Program Is In Meltdown

As Corso would say "Not so fast my friend!" JT administers the team like a family. That is not simply a trite and shop worn commentary- it is the truth.

One of the family members has broken a rule and he must suffer a "time out". Still loved, still cared for, but subject to punishment.

Notice how OSU was ahead of the press and the Internet (even my beloved fellow Bucknut junkies!) on this issue? Geiger and Tressel self-report to the NCAA early and with impunity. It is the only way to handle these type of situations in this crazy 24/7 Internet driven age.

Other coaches, even in today's climate, would think twice about suspending the starting quarterback immediately before a Bowl game. Look at the decision Kansas State made last year in the Fiesta Bowl.

The temptation to simply say "Well, nobody knows about this, let's simply let it lay low until after the Bowl game" is incredibly strong.

But not for Geiger and Tressel.



5- This News Will Be Devasting For The Team

Only if we let it.

Probably the single negative aspect of team discipline that affects our young men is the thought that a fellow player intentionaly betrayed them. This is the ultimate sin.

But a real close second is the endless string of questions that the boys are going to hear for the next 9 days:

"How do you feel?"

"Are you angry with Smith?"

"Does this impact your concentration?"

"What is the mood of the team?"

"Will Smith be able to redeem himself?"

"Can you possibly beat Oklahoma State without Smith?"

For the foreign lurkers on this site- Michigan rodents, USC gadflies, Miami sore losers and assorted MAC wannabees, you will obviously enjoy having sport with the Bucks for the next week and while you can. Paybacks are hell!

For my fellow Buck fans- practice what you preach. Rally behind Zwick, let Smith suffer his punishment with quiet dignity, and cheer the boys on to victory.

On a personal note, I have the pleasure of knowing Troy Smith for the past three years and I can state, without hesitation, that he is a fine upstanding young man. Late to OSU as a last add after the Richards Washington flame out, he has been humble, polite and hard working. He is a team player who is, no doubt, harder on himself right now than any figure in authority could possibly be. He will survive this appearant error in judgement and will find a way to rise above it.

GO BUCKS!
 
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DEBuckeye said:
If he's guilty, I say boot him. And that should be policy for everyone from now on. If you fuck up, you're out.
Amen. How many second chances does Tressel have to give these screw-ups before he realizes that its eventually going to come back and bite him in the ass? He needs to set a precedent.

After Belisari, Clarett, Smith, Guilford, Irizarry, etc etc ... what's it going to take. This years' team need not look any further than Lydell Ross to know that if you're sincere in your apology to the team you'll get a second chance.

This was Smith's second chance, or even third if you want to include his taking his complaints to reporters during the bye week.

I'd hate to know what Tressel knows, having started Justin ahead of Troy despite the fact that it was pretty apparent to everybody that Troy was the more electrifying athlete. Troy's obviously been taking things for granted since Day 1. AG needs to show him the door.
 
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every school has it's own bottom GPA they will accept but the NCAA's guideline is no less than a 2.5. Then, you are simply ruled ineligible to keep your football status for the amount of time set forth by the NCAA..this includes self imposed suspensions. If violated too many times, your scholarship could be revoked.
 
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