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QB Todd Boeckman (official thread)

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I told one of my buddies that if it came down to Zwick and Boeckman those few days before the Miami game, don't be surprised if Boeckman wins the starting job. I've been sick of watching Zwick underthrow 2-out-of-4 passes, overthrow 1-out-of-4 passes, and complete 1-out-of-4 passes that are 8+yard throws.

If Boeckman's got the goods and the composure, let him play! At the least, I see him getting some meaningful snaps in the Miami game. I'm not all that surprised at seeing the rumor up here.
 
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I would be shocked if TB started over JZ. Zwick proved himself in the bowl game and has more game experience at this point. I just wish everyone would remember that when Zwick was the starter, we had abosolutely no running game, the offensive line was playing below average and probably the most important part was that Ted Ginn had not emerged yet.

If you put Zwick behind the offense we saw in the bowl game we will beat Miami(OH) and Texas going away. TB will get his chance but it won't be this year fellas. Besides, with the defense we have, we only need an error free performance from whoever the quaterback is against Texas.

Texas is like Ohio State of the 90's, they never won the big games against their arch rival and never did well against top teams on the road, except for ND and I wouldn't put them in elite status at that point. Texas will fold in the shoe boys and girls. They beat a suspect Michigan defense in the Rose and thats about it.
 
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when watching troy talk on tv during the michigan game (the segments were filmed before the game, fresh after his turnover-laden game against purdue), he just seemed so poised and confident. like he was thrilled at the upcoming challenge and was excited to take it on. he spoke clearly, strongly, and with conviction. his eyes are sharp and piercing.

when watching zwick talk on tv, he just doesn't seem comfortable. he makes poor eye contact. you get the sense that he doesn't really believe what he's saying. he seems nervous. he's not exactly mumbling, but his words just don't come across as very strong.

my personal theory about quarterbacking is that you have to have a certain type of personality, an intangible "it" in order to be the best. there are variances to this type of personality, but certain players, for whatever reason, just don't have "it". i feel bad for zwick, because he obviously is a very talented and accomplished player, who wants to win and is very committed. but for whatever reason, maybe because he was so highly recruited, he's just never gotten comfortable. he's too uptight.

the only time i ever saw boeckman on camera, was during the alamo bowl after zwick got injured. he was standing on the sidelines, talking and laughing with somebody, looking totally and completely relaxed. his smile looked so natural and genuine, there was nothing fake about it. even though this is obviously an incredibly small sample size to be making a judgment about a player, i can visualize him having a calm and confident prescence in the huddle, which the team will respond to well. i think a big reason why krenzel was so successful is because of this. the offense would be struggling all game, but because of his demeanor, the team wouldn't get frustrated and start to press, or to question themselves, or to angrily blame others and point fingers. they would just keep going out there with an optimistic mindset, and they would end up delivering the big plays.

that's just my take. personality is more important in a qb than arm strength.
 
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I would be shocked if TB started over JZ. Zwick proved himself in the bowl game and has more game experience at this point
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I would challenge this statement because IMO what it means to 'prove yourself' is that you proved you are better than anyone else competing at that position. It doesn't matter what somebody does in a game if somebody else is deemed to be the better player.

Boeckman did not play last year because he was a RS. I read several reports that as the season went on the coaches were tempted to take the RS off - but for a QB that is a huge move, especially when it would change the gap between you and the other two QBs from two years to one. I also read several reports that others have cited regarding how good he has looked in practice.

What surprises me about the report that started this thread (not saying it isn't true - only that it is surprising) is that we have yet to start Fall Practice. Why would the coaches want to decide on the starting QB now when there is really no reason to do so? Starters are frequently changed during game week once the season begins based on performance in practice. I can see deciding that Boeckman will practice with the ones, but that is very different than being named the starter not only for the first game of the season (and the first game he will ever have played) but for the second as well.

In any case, if JZ is playing as well as ever and Boeckman has passed him on the depth chart it is all good. (That is not a statement about any particular player, simply pointing out that anytime new people turn out to be better than the folks you have on hand it - by definition - improves the team.)
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
A little birdy with direct connections to a former player who works in the athletic department says Boeckman will start against both Miami, Oh and Texas.
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Is it Hayn? If so, then we need to re-evaluate your impartiality to the situation. Love can make the most pragmatic among us blind. If not, it's still hearsay to the third degree.

Let's get some vCash action on this.
 
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Troy's suspension was "typically 3 games" but they said they would petition to count the bowl game / bowl game experience as two games, and the 1st game this seaon, and let him off with just those two .....

now he puts his foot into the mess again.....

TB ... come on down...........
 
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My reaction is to not forget that Mili posted this in the rumor thread, but if he says it, I am very inclined to listen.

Why does Zwick appear to be so uncomfortable, as Trail describes? Just think about the lack of faith in Craig Krenzel and all the celebration and "Justin Time" talk that followed his decision to attend OSU. Then, he arrived, and didn't play. When he finally got his shot, the O-line hadn't jelled, and he had a few particularly bad moments and got injured. He surely did not have that "Joe Germaine 'This is fun, eh, hey, why worry, we still got 23 seconds'" look about him whenevery I saw his face during games. Then, Smith gets in and has a few bad moments of his own but lights it up in the TSUN game.

So, when he gets his shot again in the Alamo Bowl, forget the hammy, you would have needed armed forces to get him off that field. It was a courageous performance to play through an injury like that, but none of us would want to bet on him going in the first round of the NFL draft based on his performance. He was off-target with his throwing, enough to force receivers into awkward positions, and not just in the Alamo Bowl.

Does that increase the risk that perhaps the best receiving corps in the country may get injuries? Does his inability thusfar to live up to his expectations translate into insecurity and angst in the huddle? Jim Tressel thinks and plans for long-term goals and he knows he has a chance for a NC this year. He will be looking at all three of our quarterbacks and to the contingencies that play out for likely scenarios that get him to the Rose Bowl. Mili's little birdie may well be onto something.
 
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It has been heavily rumored that Zwick is not a very popular QB among teammates.... at least in comparison with the other two. His shortcomings have been inflated by internet message boards, but there is somethign legitimate there from the couple of people I've talked to that know someone on the team.

I have never complained about Zwick's non-spirals or slightly lesser mobility. That has never been the issue. Heck, look how good super immobile QBs can be.

It has been his confidence. Maybe this is a result of his scenario, who knows. But it seems like when there is an imcompletion he gets in a huff, starts getting down on himself or others, versus the "shoot, let's do it better this next play" attitude that Smith (and TB, tho this was a vey short time of visibility) demonstrates.

It's well documented by our top DBs that Boeckman makes them look silly at times with his throws. We will not be gaining 100 yds with one RB vs Texas, I would bet on that, so we are gonna need a gunslinger if we can't have Smith's added versatility as well.

I'm not trying to say Zwick can't come back and make this his team. However you have to realize that if Zwick and Boeckman are fairly even, having Boeckman start leaves the door more open for Smith.
 
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jwinslow said:
However you have to realize that if Zwick and Boeckman are fairly even, having Boeckman start leaves the door more open for Smith.
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How so? Any QB that performs well and wins will make it nearly impossible for TS to regain that starting role as soon as he comes back.

Hypothetically, if Robby S is pressed into playing due to injuries and he goes undefeated while doing his job, he will be your tOSU starter until he stops performing.
 
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It just hit me. We now have a THREE WAY QUARTERBACK CONTROVERSEY!!!!

OSU football at its best!

Cant wait for Schoenhoft to hit camp and start climbing the charts.


We will need a new board just for this topic.
 
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My reaction is to not forget that Mili posted this in the rumor thread, but if he says it, I am very inclined to listen.

Man I have no idea what to think here. I do not always agree with his post, but I know/and respect him to know he wouldn't post shit like this unless he has a half way decent source to post it. But the thing that I think about is camp has not eevn started yet, but if you look back at the spring game Todd got a lot of reps!!!

If true I am very nervous about the Texas game. I really do not want to go through the growing pains of having a new QB when this team could make a serious run at the MNC.
 
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The question is whether or not TS is done as our starter based on this incident. If Tressel is required to make Smith sit (either NCAA or doghouse reasons), but Troy is still our best QB... then I think even a great performance by TB could see Try return to action afterwards.

I'd love to see Boeckman light iti up, especially since as talented as Troy is he still pulls it down a little too early, lsoing that last half second when our speedsters would be getting open.
 
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jwinslow said:
but Troy is still our best QB... then I think even a great performance by TB could see Try return to action afterwards.
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If Boeckman/Zwick is undefeated and putting up solid numbers when Troy becomes eligible...why would Smith be the best QB? That would be debatable.

Better question, why doesn't Boeckman or Zwick deserve to keep the job if they are undefeated when Smith returns? Miami, Texas, and SDSU is an impressive run.

No way JT makes the switch going into a big game like Iowa...he will have Smith ready, but no way he risks the continuity by starting him.
 
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