QB Joe Bauserman (official thread)

[Oh8ch]

I find nothing in the NCAA rules that would restrict a "recruited athlete" from walking on.

Can't find the specific rule myself at the moment, but here is an article that references it:

Scout.com: Setting the walk-on record straight

And this is the relevant passage:

Many fans mistakenly assume that precisely because the Bryant Scholarship is considered ?institutional aid,? if a walk-on football player uses the Bryant Scholarship to pay his expenses--then sees action during his first two years on campus, he must count against Alabama?s scholarship numbers.

If the athlete was considered ?recruited? by the NCAA, that is correct. If not, it is not.

 

[MaxBuck]

Actually, oh8ch, that refers only to recipients of "institutional scholarships." Examples would be tOSU-specific academic schollies or other tOSU-specific schollies. Those not on such scholarships are unaffected. So my point stands -- unless Bauserman is the recipient of a scholarship specifically issued by Ohio State, his presence in the lineup will have no effect on the 85-man limit. Or so I believe.

 

[Muck]

Bauserman could not play as a traditional walk-on - as I understand the rules - because he was recruited by OSU to play football. A "recruited athlete" can not later walk on at a school. (Unless of course other rules - such as the Boren case - prohibit him from getting a schollie.)

I find nothing in the NCAA rules that would restrict a "recruited athlete" from walking on. Indeed, the hoop player Melchionni at Duke was heavily recruited, yet walked on to the basketball team and saw significant minutes there.

What would constitute a "recruited" athlete in the first place?

There are plenty of kids who are contacted by schools but are never really serious considerations for scholarships.

At what point does contact between a school and a student athlete crossover into officially "recruited"?

If they make an official visit? When they are offered a scholarship?

 

[ant80]

Ant80 said he thought he was on baseball scholarship.

I never said he was on baseball scholarship. I said that I thought his pro-team was paying his way, as part of the contract.

A couple of clarifications as I understand the facts:

Bauserman is not on a baseball schollie - nor could he be since he has played pro ball.

Bauserman is not on any other athletic scholarship at OSU, so the rules about playing while under a "lesser" schollie would not apply in this case.

Bauserman could not play as a traditional walk-on - as I understand the rules - because he was recruited by OSU to play football. A "recruited athlete" can not later walk on at a school. (Unless of course other rules - such as the Boren case - prohibit him from getting a schollie.)

It would make little sense for OSU to put him on schollie if someone else - his old baseball team - was footing the bill. However, as mentioned above I don't believe that is an option once he takes the field.

If that interpretation is correct OSU has three options:

1. Let someone else continue to pay his way - but never play him.
2. Remove him from the team.
3. Put him on schollie.

What would constitute a "recruited" athlete in the first place?

There are plenty of kids who are contacted by schools but are never really serious considerations for scholarships.

At what point does contact between a school and a student athlete crossover into officially "recruited"?

If they make an official visit? When they are offered a scholarship?

Muck and Oh8ch, we had this discussion a little while back, when we were discussing whether Bauserman was on schollie or not. I remember distinctly that Muck said Bauserman won't be counted as a schollie player since he wasn't actively recruited the second time around. Yes, he was recruited the first time, but the claim was that he wasn't recruited the second time. Do you remember that guys?

Now I am not saying that to put you in a tough spot, I am asking out of genuine curiosity. Has there been a change in the rules that led to Bauserman being put on schollie?

 

[Muck]

Muck and Oh8ch, we had this discussion a little while back, when we were discussing whether Bauserman was on schollie or not. I remember distinctly that Muck said Bauserman won't be counted as a schollie player since he wasn't actively recruited the second time around. Yes, he was recruited the first time, but the claim was that he wasn't recruited the second time. Do you remember that guys?

If I recall I stated he didn't count against the 85 because he was technically classified as a walk on since his scholarship was being paid for by the Pirates.

I don't remember commenting on the "actively recruited" controversy which is part of why I asked the question above. I don't remember ever seeing that explanation before (that being "actively" recruited makes a difference).

I've always been under the same impression as some others that "if they play they count" which MaxBuck did a good job of casting into doubt with his comments above (someone addressed it in another post recently as well I believe).

Actually my belief was always more along the lines of "if they start they count" which in retrospect doesn't seem to really make much sense.

The kids who get in the last minute of a blow out or who play a bit on special teams obviously don't tend to count against the 85. For some reason my assumption was closer to "significant contributors" counting, kids in the two deep etc.

Of course that would be difficult to keep quantify for the NCAA so to be honest I don't really have a clue but I'd definitely be interested in finding out exactly how the rules cover some of those issues.

Now I am not saying that to put you in a tough spot, I am asking out of genuine curiosity.

Yeah, yeah sure buddy. :p

Has there been a change in the rules that led to Bauserman being put on schollie?

I have no idea.

However it does seem to fit Coach Tressel's past patterns of rewarding players who he feels have made a contribution and deserve a schollie.

 

[smithlabs]

Mi culpa. I admit that I added no value to this conversation and misunderstood everything being said.

 

[Buckskin86]

Wednesday, August 6, 2008
Making his mark: Former Strasburg star Joe Bauserman competing for QB job at Ohio State
By Craig Juer -- Daily Staff Writer


STRASBURG ? It's a six-hour drive from Strasburg to Columbus, Ohio.

Yet somehow, it took the supremely talented Joe Bauserman six years to claim a full athletic scholarship there after he left Strasburg High School in 2002 in search of one.

"They brought him on board on the scholarship last March," Joe's father, Jack Bauserman said Friday. "He's now the No. 2 quarterback."

Ohio State University head coach Jim Tressel lost two scholarship quarterbacks to transfer early this year. Redshirt sophomore Rob Schoenhoft left for the University of Delaware after the coaching staff moved him to tight end prior to the BCS National Championship loss to Louisiana State on Jan. 7. Redshirt freshman Antonio Henton transferred to Georgia Southern in the spring.

"Even though he was a redshirt freshman last year, [Bauserman] really was ahead of them," said Glenn Proctor, Bauserman's coach at Strasburg during his freshman and sophomore years. "I think he was able to do some things, some sideline management types of things that apparently they weren't able to do, or didn't do very well.'

When Tressel awarded one of the Buckeyes' available spots to Bauserman, it officially ended his transition back to football after spending three years as a professional baseball player and one as a walk-on quarterback.

"Whatever the coaches decide is what I'll take," said Joe Bauserman, who confirmed Tuesday he'd spent the first two practices of the season working out with the second team behind incumbent starter Todd Boeckman. "But I feel like I'm doing what they're asking me to do."

Proctor added that after such a long journey to OSU ? from Strasburg to Tallahassee, and then to the Gulf Coast League, the Williamsport Crosscutters and the Hickory Crawdads as a baseball player ? Bauserman feels comfortable in Columbus, and isn't going to cut and run just because of Pryor's pedigree.

"I do know that when Pryor made the decision to go there, he was pretty firm about saying, 'Hey, I've been here, I'm not going to spook and flee the nest,'" Proctor said. "If Pryor wants the spot, he's going to have to beat him out for it.

"He likes Columbus, he likes the lifestyle there. He's very happy there, and he's really well-liked by his teammates."

Local Sports - nvdaily.com

 

[osugrad21]

Dispatch

Bob Hunter commentary: Rumblings

Friday, August 8, 2008 2:57 AM
By Bob Hunter


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH


Joe Bauserman's appearance as second-team quarterback during the Big Ten Network's feed of Ohio State's practice this week was hardly shocking. But it reinforced the idea that even being the top-rated high school recruit in the country, as incoming freshman Terrelle Pryor was, won't result in automatically leapfrogging experienced players on coach Jim Tressel's depth chart. Some insiders think that it's possible, even likely, that Bauserman will be the backup -- i.e., the guy who comes in if starter Todd Boeckman gets hurt --
for all or most of the season, and that Pryor will be used mostly in specific situations.
It helped Bauserman that he played well enough in the spring to pull even with and possibly pass Antonio Henton, who subsequently transferred to Georgia Southern. Comments on Bauserman's play from the coaches in recent months have been positive.
Cont...

 

[osugrad21]

BN Free--Bauserman Vying To Be No. 2 QB

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

Link

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OSU's Red-headed Stepchild Quarterback is the Apple of His Coaches Eye
By John Porentas

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Joe Bauserman[/FONT]
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Joe Bauserman's hair is somewhere between blond and red. His beard is about the same. When it comes to public perception however, Joe Bauserman is definitely OSU's red-headed stepchild quarterback.
That was abundantly clear on media day this week. If you wanted to talk to Joe Bauserman you just walked up and talked to him. There was no crowd around him, no TV cameras to be careful not to get in front of, no crush of reporters.
It was a bit of a different story for the other two scholarship quarterbacks on the OSU roster. Todd Boeckman is the incumbent returning starter. Everybody wanted to talk to Todd. Terrell Pryor is like a magnet attracting cast iron reporters. They are drawn to him and stick to him like there is some sort of invisible force holding them there. Terrell got plenty of attention on media day too.
So while Todd and Terrell were being swamped, Joe kind of stood off in the background, not that that wasn't to be expected. What might be a little unexpected is Bauserman's reaction. It just didn't matter to him.

Continued.......

 

[Buckskin86]

OSU's Bauserman a hit as backup QB
Posted by Doug Lesmerises August 10, 2008
Categories: Ohio State

Columbus - The old baseball player showed up last summer and you wondered why Ohio State needed a 21-year-old fourth-string freshman quarterback.

Then Joe Bauserman scared everyone away.

Actually, it was the future prospects of recruit Terrelle Pryor that led fellow quarterbacks Rob Schoenhoft and Antonio Henton to transfer to Football Championship Series (previously known as I-AA) schools. Schoenhoft went to Delaware and Henton went to Georgia Southern.

The 6-2, 220-pound Bauserman doesn't come across as much of an intimidator. But he is a hunter. And one of the best basketball players on the team. And he's still here, earning a scholarship after starting as a walk-on.

Remember that Bauserman had supplanted those quarterbacks on the depth chart by the time they left. And know that if something were to happen to starter Todd Boeckman right now, this now 22-year-old redshirt freshman would probably be the starting quarterback for Ohio State.

"Right now, Joe is ahead," OSU coach Jim Tressel said last week of the No. 2 quarterback battle between Bauserman and Pryor, "from the standpoint of showing that he has a grasp of what we're doing and showing that he can do some good things. How that could shake out, I'm not sure."

One thing Bauserman does well is make 24-year-old senior Boeckman look young. After playing three summers of minor-league baseball in the Pittsburgh Pirates' organization, Bauserman will turn 23 in October and would turn 26 during his senior season if he sticks around.

He's also the man for the job if Tressel calls a play that requires a pass to curve around a defensive back. Bauserman said he can throw curveball with a football.

"It is possible," he said.

He showed off his fastball in the spring game, connecting on two passes of longer than 50 yards. The football rust had disappeared by the middle of last season, as he ran the scout team in practice. Once he had a chance with the OSU offense, Bauserman proved he was more than an extra body.

"At the beginning of spring I was disappointed," Tressel said of Bauserman. "Midway through the spring it started clicking."

The saying goes that the backup quarterback is the most popular player on the team, but that's not the case when Pryor is the No. 3. Pryor is the special talent who should play a role with his own set of plays this season. Boeckman is the clear-cut senior starter. But Bauserman is the necessary insurance policy, the guy on call if Boeckman would get hurt early on and Pryor wasn't ready to play every down.

Without him, the Buckeyes would be remarkably thin at quarterback. Bringing in that old baseball guy makes a lot more sense now. The Buckeyes were already chasing Pryor, and Tressel, who has admitted he wasn't shocked by his quarterback transfers, had to know he needed someone else if Pryor chose Ohio State and created a QB exodus.

"No one ever really said they might leave, nothing like that," Bauserman said. "I had no idea. I just came into the situation blind."

OSU's Bauserman a hit as backup QB - Cleveland Sports News – The Latest Breaking News, Game Recaps and Scores from The Plain Dealer

 

[Bestbuck36]

Man, I love this guy! Too bad his timing isnt optimum to see a lot of playing time for the Buckeyes. If he shows well though he could end up with a pro tryout as long as he continues his hard work and learns how to play at this level. I'm very confident in our QB situation and I cant remember saying that in a very long time. I had confidence in Troy but the unsurity with Zwick was there in case of injury. I think we have 3 guys right now that by seasons kickoff, could start for Ohio State and play well. Thats something.

 

[Woody84]

The kid kinda looks like Rex Kern.

 

[Taosman]

Rex Kern with less hair! :tongue2:

My bold prediction for 2009 is Bauserman starts!

 

[smithlabs]

Vbet?