QB Joe Bauserman (official thread)

[smithlabs]

I was under the impression that his baseball team was paying tuition for Bauserman, so he didn't need a schollie.

The second he takes a snap in football he goes to a football schollie. He will certainly be taking snaps in the fall as our most experienced 2nd QB.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I thought that unless there's a rule stating otherwise (like Boren's case), the second you play in a game you become a scholarship player.


I could be making that up.

The second he takes a snap in football he goes to a football schollie. He will certainly be taking snaps in the fall as our most experienced 2nd QB.

IIRC, there are certain circumstances where that's not true. One is if you're paying your own way, and another is if you're on academic scholarship...walk-on Marcus Williams has been playing special teams now for two years and even has gotten some carries as a RB and doesn't count against the 85-scholarship limit because he's on academic scholarship. Marcus is subject to the same restrictions as other non-football scholarship players (no team meals, etc.), aand because he is getting no such "football benefits", he doesn't count against the limit. Antonio "Yao" Smith was the same way...

 

[smithlabs]

Good point Mili. I was obviously only talking about the automatic transference of athletic scholarships. However, I think the school needs a few more academic scholarships

 

[Oh8ch]

The second he takes a snap in football he goes to a football schollie.

There is also a consideration of whether the athlete was "recruited" - which Bauserman was.

 

[MaxBuck]

The second he takes a snap in football he goes to a football schollie.

I think it would be best to be certain of the facts before making a definitive statement like this.

I have read lots of commentary regarding "preferred walk-ons" becoming "counters" (NCAA term) the minute they play in a game; I find no language like this in the NCAA rules. Similarly, I can find nothing specific in the NCAA rules whereby an individual like Joe Bauserman "goes to a scholarship" the "minute he takes a snap." It would be nice to know where in the rulebook these things come from; otherwise I will regard them as urban legends. (I also think that whether or not the player was "recruited" is irrelevant -- please prove me wrong.)

http://www.ncaa.org/library/membership/division_i_manual/2007-08/2007-08_d1_manual.pdf

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

I don't think these rules really had any bearing on the staff's decision. It was the right thing to do for the player and for the team (in the long run).

 

[MaxBuck]

I don't think these rules really had any bearing on the staff's decision. It was the right thing to do for the player and for the team (in the long run).

I don't question that. But lots of readers here are (rightfully) concerned about how much room we have for new recruits ("initial counters") in 2009. It would be good to not have misinformation being thrown about IMO.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

... It would be good to not have misinformation being thrown about IMO.

Agreed. My post, while immediately preceded by yours, was not precipitated by yours. There was just a lot of talk about the rules...

To me that misses a big point here. Tressel has been very good at ensuring that kids who deserve schollies get them. Whether it's a walk-on or a special case like Bauserman. Taking care of the kids is a part of that family atmosphere that JL told Pete Fiutak was a big reason he came here.


EDIT: This, it turns out, was DBB post #4000

 

[smithlabs]

Beat me to it.

The only circumstance I am aware of where you would burn a schollie by taking the football field is if you were on scholarship in a lesser sport - which is any sport relative to football.

i.e. a scholarship wrestler could be on the 105 man squad, practice and the works (well not the works - he couldn't do the training table or any other perks specifically designed for the scholarship guys) and still be on a wrestling schollie, but as soon as he took the field he would count against football.

Just trusting my senior mods....

 

[MaxBuck]

Just trusting my senior mods....

How's that? What scholarship is Bauserman on? None that I am aware of.

By the way, my read on training table is that a non-scholarship player can participate in training table so long as he pays for the meal. Anyone know different?

 

[akronbuck]

those past and present walk-on lineman were not on schollie and they played a lot. Some got schollies later on when a spot was available .

 

[smithlabs]

How's that? What scholarship is Bauserman on? None that I am aware of.

By the way, my read on training table is that a non-scholarship player can participate in training table so long as he pays for the meal. Anyone know different?

Ant80 said he thought he was on baseball scholarship.

 

[buck e]

How's that? What scholarship is Bauserman on? None that I am aware of.

By the way, my read on training table is that a non-scholarship player can participate in training table so long as he pays for the meal. Anyone know different?

He is on a football scholarship given to him this offseason.

 

[Oh8ch]

A couple of clarifications as I understand the facts:

Bauserman is not on a baseball schollie - nor could he be since he has played pro ball.

Bauserman is not on any other athletic scholarship at OSU, so the rules about playing while under a "lesser" schollie would not apply in this case.

Bauserman could not play as a traditional walk-on - as I understand the rules - because he was recruited by OSU to play football. A "recruited athlete" can not later walk on at a school. (Unless of course other rules - such as the Boren case - prohibit him from getting a schollie.)

It would make little sense for OSU to put him on schollie if someone else - his old baseball team - was footing the bill. However, as mentioned above I don't believe that is an option once he takes the field.

If that interpretation is correct OSU has three options:

1. Let someone else continue to pay his way - but never play him.
2. Remove him from the team.
3. Put him on schollie.

 

[MaxBuck]

Bauserman could not play as a traditional walk-on - as I understand the rules - because he was recruited by OSU to play football. A "recruited athlete" can not later walk on at a school.

I find nothing in the NCAA rules that would restrict a "recruited athlete" from walking on. Indeed, the hoop player Melchionni at Duke was heavily recruited, yet walked on to the basketball team and saw significant minutes there.

My understanding is that Joe Bauserman is not on athletic scholarship, and I see no reason per NCAA rules why his play would require consumption of a "counter." As further support, Chris King (former Director of Compliance for University of Alabama athletics) writes:

If a walk-on athlete ... receives no institutional aid, it would not matter if he is deemed ‘recruited’ or ‘not recruited.' This individual would have no impact on UA’s scholarship numbers.

Again, this is pretty important stuff since our 09 recruiting is running up against the 85-man limit.