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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
lv's point (I believe) was that Tress had a ton of holes to fill in 2004 due to the 2004 NFL Draft. The analogy would be a good one regarding the 2017 OSU team, had OSU had a bunch of guys taken in the 2017 NFL Draft; but Mili didn't draw the analogy correctly--he appealed to the 2016 NFL Draft.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
This is the real Ohio State football team
After No. 6 Ohio State’s four blowout wins against Army, UNLV, Rutgers and Nebraska, and a crescendo of a 39-38 comeback win versus Penn State, everything that went wrong in the first two weeks of the season against Indiana and Oklahoma seemed to have been fixed.
Calls for quarterback J.T. Barrett to be replaced had turned to chants for him to win the Heisman Trophy. A smattering of wideouts and tight ends without roles had become key players had become key players to count on with known strengths. Unreliable tight ends had seen increased roles in the offense and an offensive line with question marks blocked consistently. A team which gave up 410 and 386 passing yards against Indiana and Oklahoma, respectively, had shored up its pass defense. The Buckeyes’ run defense and pass rush were good at the beginning of the season, and only improved as the weeks progressed.
But as it turns out, a week after Ohio State passed the test of whether the improvements could show against a top-10 team, nothing that worked against Penn State and in the Buckeyes’ three previous blowouts worked against the Hawkeyes.
After the 55-24 loss Saturday, head coach Urban Meyer said he was just as surprised as everyone else by the double-digit defeat at the hands of an Iowa team the Buckeyes were double-digit favorites against.
“No I didn’t [see the loss coming],” Meyer said. “Going through that thought process right now and I did not.”
Even if he did not have an inkling that the post-Penn-State-win team would lay an egg in Iowa, Meyer should recognize the Ohio State team that showed up at Kinnick Stadium. It was the same team that entered halftime tied with Indiana and lost 31-16 to Oklahoma.
Barrett reverted back to his prior form, completing 18-of-34 passes for 208 yards and tossing a career-high four interceptions. Wide receivers did not make contested catches. Tight end Marcus Baugh caught two passes, but also had two drops. Quarterback Nate Stanley passed for five touchdowns as he shredded Ohio State’s pass defense, heavily relying on play-action passes to pick up consistent yardage.
Even Ohio State’s run defense struggled — as running back Akrum Wadley averaged 5.9 yards per carry on 20 rushes — and its pass rush only resulted in a single sack, as Stanley often had ample time to survey his receivers.
Against the Hawkeyes, the offense could not find the rhythm Meyer said the team was looking for after the Oklahoma loss. The defensive line could not pressure the quarterback enough to avoid the Hawkeyes picking on the Buckeyes’ weak links in the secondary.
Just when most people thought the Buckeyes solved their seemingly never-ending problems on both sides of the ball, they resurfaced at the worst possible time.
Redshirt senior center Billy Price said Ohio State was waiting for a comeback that never even remotely surfaced.
“Anything can change a game. We had a whole fourth quarter to go,” Price said. “We saw it last week, we saw momentum swing. We’re just looking for that spark, it just wasn’t able to pull up this week.”
Entire article: https://www.thelantern.com/2017/11/this-is-the-real-ohio-state-football-team/
After No. 6 Ohio State’s four blowout wins against Army, UNLV, Rutgers and Nebraska, and a crescendo of a 39-38 comeback win versus Penn State, everything that went wrong in the first two weeks of the season against Indiana and Oklahoma seemed to have been fixed.
Calls for quarterback J.T. Barrett to be replaced had turned to chants for him to win the Heisman Trophy. A smattering of wideouts and tight ends without roles had become key players had become key players to count on with known strengths. Unreliable tight ends had seen increased roles in the offense and an offensive line with question marks blocked consistently. A team which gave up 410 and 386 passing yards against Indiana and Oklahoma, respectively, had shored up its pass defense. The Buckeyes’ run defense and pass rush were good at the beginning of the season, and only improved as the weeks progressed.
But as it turns out, a week after Ohio State passed the test of whether the improvements could show against a top-10 team, nothing that worked against Penn State and in the Buckeyes’ three previous blowouts worked against the Hawkeyes.
After the 55-24 loss Saturday, head coach Urban Meyer said he was just as surprised as everyone else by the double-digit defeat at the hands of an Iowa team the Buckeyes were double-digit favorites against.
“No I didn’t [see the loss coming],” Meyer said. “Going through that thought process right now and I did not.”
Even if he did not have an inkling that the post-Penn-State-win team would lay an egg in Iowa, Meyer should recognize the Ohio State team that showed up at Kinnick Stadium. It was the same team that entered halftime tied with Indiana and lost 31-16 to Oklahoma.
Barrett reverted back to his prior form, completing 18-of-34 passes for 208 yards and tossing a career-high four interceptions. Wide receivers did not make contested catches. Tight end Marcus Baugh caught two passes, but also had two drops. Quarterback Nate Stanley passed for five touchdowns as he shredded Ohio State’s pass defense, heavily relying on play-action passes to pick up consistent yardage.
Even Ohio State’s run defense struggled — as running back Akrum Wadley averaged 5.9 yards per carry on 20 rushes — and its pass rush only resulted in a single sack, as Stanley often had ample time to survey his receivers.
Against the Hawkeyes, the offense could not find the rhythm Meyer said the team was looking for after the Oklahoma loss. The defensive line could not pressure the quarterback enough to avoid the Hawkeyes picking on the Buckeyes’ weak links in the secondary.
Just when most people thought the Buckeyes solved their seemingly never-ending problems on both sides of the ball, they resurfaced at the worst possible time.
Redshirt senior center Billy Price said Ohio State was waiting for a comeback that never even remotely surfaced.
“Anything can change a game. We had a whole fourth quarter to go,” Price said. “We saw it last week, we saw momentum swing. We’re just looking for that spark, it just wasn’t able to pull up this week.”
Entire article: https://www.thelantern.com/2017/11/this-is-the-real-ohio-state-football-team/
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OSUK
Sometimes lucid, mostly confused
Today's news from Texas helped me with some perspective - I hope. But I had a lot of stuff rolling around in my strange head last night.
My first thought was the game was an example of how powerful a positive force momentum is when you have it going for you, and how devastating it is when it is going against you. Ohio St is significantly more talented than Iowa, but the gap isnt so large that they cant beat OSU if mo is their friend - obviously. Their guys get scholarships too.
I also thought that, we, of all fans, should understand how powerful Tressellball can be when it has nothing to lose and gets uncharacteristically aggressive, and things get rolling. Iowa watched Penn St turtle up last week and lose, so they kept attacking and scoring. Credit Iowa for all that. We will see it again this coming Sat.
But none of that entirely accounts for a 55 to 24 defeat. Clearly, the defense didn't get on the plane. There is also some truth to having to get over last week and ready for the next game. I was emotionally exhausted after PSU just from watching, so I'm sure that was a factor.
We have a starting DB who has trouble breaking down and tackling in open space, but makes up for it by struggling in coverage. But I remember G Conley struggling at Smarty a few years ago, and he turned out pretty good, so I'm inclined to be patient, but that was ugly.
Talked to a HS basketball coach last week who has won 5 state champs, and ask him if he can keep the players' heads right a whole season. He said it is impossible. He says you try to stress them with the easier part of the schedule, and encourage during the tougher stretches, but you get caught sometimes with tough games in succession where you expend a lot of emotional energy, and you hope they are good enough to win when they aren't in a good place. He said it really depends on how good your player leadership is as to whether you pull through those times. Hmmm.
Urban has told us that this team has such good leadership that he required NINE captains. There is some kind of disconnection with what Urban says there and what I saw yesterday.
Other rambling, inane frustrations: Has Urban lost his edge? Is this all-star coaching staff getting close to the potential out of the talent available? Is it just me or does the confidence of this team seem fragile? Why does Urban have such difficulty putting on the field the "angry" team he says he wants? Have we been fools to expect a dominant football team? Should we adjust our expectations?
My first thought was the game was an example of how powerful a positive force momentum is when you have it going for you, and how devastating it is when it is going against you. Ohio St is significantly more talented than Iowa, but the gap isnt so large that they cant beat OSU if mo is their friend - obviously. Their guys get scholarships too.
I also thought that, we, of all fans, should understand how powerful Tressellball can be when it has nothing to lose and gets uncharacteristically aggressive, and things get rolling. Iowa watched Penn St turtle up last week and lose, so they kept attacking and scoring. Credit Iowa for all that. We will see it again this coming Sat.
But none of that entirely accounts for a 55 to 24 defeat. Clearly, the defense didn't get on the plane. There is also some truth to having to get over last week and ready for the next game. I was emotionally exhausted after PSU just from watching, so I'm sure that was a factor.
We have a starting DB who has trouble breaking down and tackling in open space, but makes up for it by struggling in coverage. But I remember G Conley struggling at Smarty a few years ago, and he turned out pretty good, so I'm inclined to be patient, but that was ugly.
Talked to a HS basketball coach last week who has won 5 state champs, and ask him if he can keep the players' heads right a whole season. He said it is impossible. He says you try to stress them with the easier part of the schedule, and encourage during the tougher stretches, but you get caught sometimes with tough games in succession where you expend a lot of emotional energy, and you hope they are good enough to win when they aren't in a good place. He said it really depends on how good your player leadership is as to whether you pull through those times. Hmmm.
Urban has told us that this team has such good leadership that he required NINE captains. There is some kind of disconnection with what Urban says there and what I saw yesterday.
Other rambling, inane frustrations: Has Urban lost his edge? Is this all-star coaching staff getting close to the potential out of the talent available? Is it just me or does the confidence of this team seem fragile? Why does Urban have such difficulty putting on the field the "angry" team he says he wants? Have we been fools to expect a dominant football team? Should we adjust our expectations?
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Drubuck
What time is it?
Any board for any fan base is the same. What sucks about college football. A loss or 2 eliminates you from championships. Buckeyes can still win the BIG. I'm good with that. Great conference that beats itself up. Means the conference is competitive. SEC SEC SEC is really just Bama Bama Bama until this year with Georgia. 0 parody. Win the BIG and it's a great season to me.
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Telekinesis
Easily Amused by the Bitterly Disappointed
There’s a Big Ten Championship bid on the line this week. Fuck this thread. Send it to the junkyard.
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1926Buckeyes
Head Coach
I agree that having 9 captains is silly. You dont need more than 4. Just tells me that other than JT, there aren't 2-3 other true leaders right now.
IMO Meyer hasnt lost his edge. He's caught in the mud though. Not sure about the coaching staff. Still their first season together. Davis experiment can end any time though.
I think the team does play angry, but out of control. So it negates itself. Best example is Arneyte screaming upfield on a simple swing pass, the RB causually side stepping, and running for a 25 yard gain. Should've been for 2 and Iowa has to kick a FG.
Might've been a tad foolish to expect a title these past 2 years. Last year the offense was broken schematically and just didn't have the personnel. This year the back 7 is the worst its been since '13 and the offense is much better, but inconsistent enough to drop games.
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shiloh
Heisman
So let's do the math:
The last (6) years the Buckeyes have lost one B1G home game to Sparty in 2015. Sparty 2017 ?!? btw, Urban hasn't lost (2) games in a row during the regular season.
Recapping ~ believe it would be in the best interest of Ohio State football to let him coach another couple years.
The last (6) years the Buckeyes have lost one B1G home game to Sparty in 2015. Sparty 2017 ?!? btw, Urban hasn't lost (2) games in a row during the regular season.
Recapping ~ believe it would be in the best interest of Ohio State football to let him coach another couple years.
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scarletngray
Gold Pants
No one is more disappointed than the coaches and the players. We've all had time to vent. Time to move on and support our beloved BUCKS! Go Buckeyes! Best Sparty!
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pianobuck46
pianobuck46
Sorry, guys, but yesterday's game made this obsolete. Hope they get their act together, or we might be looking at a 7-5 or 8-4 season, and as for a bowl game, well.......I hear Detroit's lovely this time of year. Whatever, I love the Buckeyes, no matter what.Actually, rooting for Okie St. this week will help even more!
GO BUCKEYES!!!
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