Game Thread Ohio State @ Iowa, 11/04/17 @ 3:30 (ESPN)

[bukIpower]

Would he have? He was having significant stinger problems with his shoulder. Who knows if he would've even made it through 2003, let alone been a "significant difference" in 2004. Besides, we went 11-2 in 2003 without Clarett at all. But, if you want to play the "If we had this player" game, if we had Zeke last year we don't lose at Rhythmic Slapping Valley, nor do we get shut out against Clemson, and probably would've won the B1G CCG.

The point is, Tressel lost a boat load of talent after the 2003 season and lost four games the next year, while Meyer lost arguably even more talent quality-wise after the 2015 season yet lost only two games the next year.

Tressel didn't even get two years of his best player though... With that defense in 2003 I'm not sure we lose a game that year with MoC. You're right though that we can play that game with UFM and maybe some things turn out differently. I will say though that if you think we wouldn't have "Urbaned" zeke with a 5-10 touch game last year you're crazy lol.

Bottom line they're both great coaches but I happen to agree with a recent article from Doug (can't pronounce his last name) that quoted Urban admitting he's better at the motivation/recruiting part then the X and O's. Just different coaching styles but hey we are past the point now where Tressel absolutely does take Urbans lunch money when it comes to Big Ten success.

Even if Urban won this year and the next 3 he'd still be short of Jim. Lets see how we do this year though.

 

[Steve19]

Just beat the living hell out of TSUN.

 

[bukIpower]

Paris Campbell wasn't available and KJ Hill likes to run backwards.

maybe KJ can play DB then? lol

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[Buckeyebred97]

Just finished watching the replay, and Iowa's offense executed a really good game plan and attacked a weak point in our defense(LB's) their o line played well in run blocking and Stanley played smart and got was able to move the chains for them every play it seemed. Was more impressed with their offense than their defense. Our offense did more self destruction than their defense shutting us down. Stupid penalties, dropped passes(would have been momentum changers as well) JT forcing passes into coverage and then the playcalling went to shit. First 3 drives were good minus the pick 6 and the 4th was good until they couldn't get the 1st and punted. Losing Bosa took some fight out of them as well but it's no excuse. Still scratching my head how Iowa drops 50+ on us. Lucky we aren't going to see Bama because they would drop 100+ on this defense if they wanted to. Still something left to play for in the B1GCG and of course The Game but i'm concerned about the amount of give a damn left in this team. Saturday will e a good measure of how much heart they have to win.

 

[shiloh]

Just different coaching styles but hey we are past the point now where Tressel absolutely does take Urbans lunch money when it comes to Big Ten success.

Even if Urban won this year and the next 3 he'd still be short of Jim. Lets see how we do this year though.

Bullshit! Without the B1G championship game which Tressel didn't have to play, Urban would have won or shared the B1G title 5 of 6 years! The lone exception 2015 when Iowa was undefeated playing in the much, much weaker division. And included is 2012 on probation because why was Ohio State on probation? Frickin' Tressel !!!

btw, Urban has lost 3 B1G regular season games so far in (6) years = 44-3 playing in the much, much tougher division.

Tressel = 38-10 in six years. Tressel won one NC in his second year when one can argue it was easier as the 2002 team in no way had to pass the eye test or did pass the eye test. So in that sense, one can compare Tressel to big game Bob.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Woody's team would drive us crazy by beating scUM and going to the Rose Bowl and laying an egg. That happened too many times.All coaches have their faults. All teams have their faults.

Something is not quite right with this team and even last year with Fickel coaching the defense there was still the undisciplined play. Last years team was more talented though. Hmmm? Maybe it's just a talent drop-off that's the cause of this years team problems? Linebacker and secondary were better last year.
Defense was more talented last year.
Now the offense? Play calling and coaching I think are better this year but there is still much improvement to be made on offense.
Special teams have been a "problem" till this week. But got overshadowed by the poor effort on the road at Iowa.
Can this team get it's act together enough this late to win the rest of it's games?
MSU is a "must win" game. If we can win some how it will provide a moral boost to the team and coaches and could trigger a resurgence.

The 70’s were different because it was a home game for PAC 8 and our players wanted to enjoy California..it was almost an exhibition game. tOSU was rarely locked and loaded.

 

[Onebuckfan]

We might have carried our concern for the Iowa children a little to far..a little wave would have been enough.

 

[bukIpower]

Bull[Mark May]! Without the B1G championship game which Tressel didn't have to play, Urban would have won or shared the B1G title 5 of 6 years! The lone exception 2015 when Iowa was undefeated playing in the much, much weaker division. And included is 2012 on probation because why was Ohio State on probation? Frickin' Tressel !!!

btw, Urban has lost 3 B1G regular season games so far in (6) years = 44-3 playing in the much, much tougher division.

Tressel = 38-10 in six years. Tressel won one NC in his second year when one can argue it was easier as the 2002 team in no way had to pass the eye test or did pass the eye test. So in that sense, one can compare Tressel to big game Bob.

Do you really think Tressel doesn't finish off the big ten title every single one of those years? Yeah I didn't think so. There was no team capable of challenging us when we won our titles with Tressel... who was going to step up and challenge us? Penn State, not on their off years. Michigan, hahaha. Michigan State, hell no. No you're looking at Wisconsin or Iowa as the only two teams that could've stopped us really in the years that we won our titles with Tressel.

Lets not act like Tressel left Urban with garbage for the 2012 year either as well.

Both are great coaches but you can't dispute facts. Tressel won 6 in 9 years and UFM at best will have won 3 of 6 (counting 2012 if you will) if we win this year. Which means UFM has to win the next three straight to be in Jim's class when it comes to big ten dominance.

 

[shiloh]

Do you really think Tressel doesn't finish off the big ten title every single one of those years? Yeah I didn't think so. There was no team capable of challenging us when we won our titles with Tressel... who was going to step up and challenge us? Penn State, not on their off years. Michigan, hahaha. Michigan State, hell no.

Lets not act like Tressel left Urban with garbage for the 2012 year either as well.

Again, Bullshit! btw, you don't win any argument by asking and answering your own question. So basically you're saying most of the B1G teams sucked when Tressel was the Buckeye's coach except for Wisky. I agree. As in the Buckeyes may have been a tad overrated if all you have is B1G dominance on your resume at a time when the B1G sucked! Which kinda explains the 2006/2007 NC blowouts, eh.

Also Tressel left Urban a 6-7 team on probation w/a reduction in scholarships. Before the 2012 season Urban realistically told reporters the Buckeye's were probably a 7-5 team.

Your turn ...

 

[bukIpower]

Again, Bull[Mark May]! btw, you don't win any argument by asking and answering your own question. So basically you're saying most of the B1G teams sucked when Tressel was the Buckeye's coach except for Wisky. I agree. As in the Buckeyes may have been a tad overrated if all you have is B1G dominance on you're resume at a time when the B1G sucked! Which kinda explains the 2006/2007 NC blowouts, eh.

Also Tressel left Urban a 6-7 team on probation w/a reduction in scholarships. Before the 2012 season Urban realistically told reporters the Buckeye's were probably a 7-5 team.

Your turn ...

first off I'm doing this respectfully so no reason to get upset/tense about it "your turn" or "bull shit"...

This is like debating who's better MJ or Lebron... Both are great but one has more titles. Give me the team oriented results any day in regards to conference titles.

I get Tressel had two not so good years. However, once he got things rolling in 05 he sort of never looked back. I mean we're talking owning a conference the likes that only Saban has done.

Both are great and we are lucky to have had such good coaches back to back.

 

[BUCK3YE5]

Do you really think Tressel doesn't finish off the big ten title every single one of those years? Yeah I didn't think so. There was no team capable of challenging us when we won our titles with Tressel... who was going to step up and challenge us? Penn State, not on their off years. Michigan, hahaha. Michigan State, hell no. No you're looking at Wisconsin or Iowa as the only two teams that could've stopped us really in the years that we won our titles with Tressel.

Lets not act like Tressel left Urban with garbage for the 2012 year either as well.

Both are great coaches but you can't dispute facts. Tressel won 6 in 9 years and UFM at best will have won 3 of 6 (counting 2012 if you will) if we win this year. Which means UFM has to win the next three straight to be in Jim's class when it comes to big ten dominance.

You're missing the part where Ohio State would not have even played in the title game in some years Tressel "won" the Big Ten. Just like Urban didn't play in the title game in 2015 and 2016 despite being a "co-Champ."

If Urban was dealt the same hand Tressel was, he'd have a Big Ten title every year he's been here. Literally, every year.

Urban is better than Tressel in every way imaginable. And I love Tressel.

 

[GovTressel]

Did I hear MJ and Lebron? Let's do this!

 

[jwinslow]

You're missing the part where Ohio State would not have even played in the title game in some years Tressel "won" the Big Ten. Just like Urban didn't play in the title game in 2015 and 2016 despite being a "co-Champ."

If Urban was dealt the same hand Tressel was, he'd have a Big Ten title every year he's been here. Literally, every year.

Urban is better than Tressel in every way imaginable. And I love Tressel.

The league was also hot trash for large stretches of that period, or when there was another good team, there was minimal depth beyond it. Now JT certainly helped exacerbate the problem with his dominance, but decent teams won B1G titles back then.

 

[shiloh]

first off I'm doing this respectfully so no reason to get upset/tense about it "your turn" or "bull [Mark May]"...

ok, apologies for the bs as I am in no way tense or upset. Used to spend a lot of time at political blogs. Fun times. I digress.

You didn't dispute the B1G sucked or was not very good during Tressel's tenure. Will say Tressel's teams were more consistent in their play style. Different eras, different philosophies. No one enjoyed Tressel's 9-1 record vs TTUN more than me.

Have a nice day!