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cincibuck;1603805; said:
Lou didn't "leave." He was pushed. Bob Davies did a behind the back number on him with several ND wheeler-dealer alums.

Brian Kelly has some kind of ghost in his closet that may keep him from the ND or Michigan programs. I think it has to do with a police investigation into the death of a Central Michigan player while he was coach there.
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Wasn't the probation writing on the wall, when Holtz was pushed out? Or did all the violations occur solely under Davies?

Kelly made a stupid comment at CMU about some players who refused to come forward in a murder investigation being products of their environment and raised in a culture that stigmatizes cooperating with the police. It was a poor choice of words but probably a fairly accurate summation of the issue.

Everything that I've heard of Kelly is that he runs a clean program. His players go to class, graduate and don't get arrested. If he can accomplish that at UC (an urban commuter college with a history of renegade athletic programs, rogue coaches and what clearly seems to be a win at all costs fanbase), I have to imagine that he'd do very well off the field at either ND or Michigan.

I think the biggest issue with Kelly at ND is that he is a pro-choice, liberal Democrat. Given the fact that ND has chosen to toe the current Vatican line fairly closely (as opposed to what the better Catholic colleges like Georgetown and BC have done), there might be some quiet internal opposition among the priests to his becoming the face of Notre Dame.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1603968; said:
there might be some quiet internal opposition among the priests to his becoming the face of Notre Dame.
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Like it can get any worse....

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ORD_Buckeye;1603968; said:
Wasn't the probation writing on the wall, when Holtz was pushed out? Or did all the violations occur solely under Davies?

Kelly made a stupid comment at CMU about some players who refused to come forward in a murder investigation being products of their environment and raised in a culture that stigmatizes cooperating with the police. It was a poor choice of words but probably a fairly accurate summation of the issue.

Everything that I've heard of Kelly is that he runs a clean program. His players go to class, graduate and don't get arrested. If he can accomplish that at UC (an urban commuter college with a history of renegade athletic programs, rogue coaches and what clearly seems to be a win at all costs fanbase), I have to imagine that he'd do very well off the field at either ND or Michigan.

I think the biggest issue with Kelly at ND is that he is a pro-choice, liberal Democrat. Given the fact that ND has chosen to toe the current Vatican line fairly closely (as opposed to what the better Catholic colleges like Georgetown and BC have done), there might be some quiet internal opposition among the priests to his becoming the face of Notre Dame.
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Actually I was there (ND) for a graduation ceremony 2 years ago, and it was anything but that. They don't toe the line nearly as much as some people think anymore. I think he'd end up fitting in fine.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1603968; said:
Wasn't the probation writing on the wall, when Holtz was pushed out? Or did all the violations occur solely under Davies?

Kelly made a stupid comment at CMU about some players who refused to come forward in a murder investigation being products of their environment and raised in a culture that stigmatizes cooperating with the police. It was a poor choice of words but probably a fairly accurate summation of the issue.

Everything that I've heard of Kelly is that he runs a clean program. His players go to class, graduate and don't get arrested. If he can accomplish that at UC (an urban commuter college with a history of renegade athletic programs, rogue coaches and what clearly seems to be a win at all costs fanbase), I have to imagine that he'd do very well off the field at either ND or Michigan.

I think the biggest issue with Kelly at ND is that he is a pro-choice, liberal Democrat. Given the fact that ND has chosen to toe the current Vatican line fairly closely (as opposed to what the better Catholic colleges like Georgetown and BC have done), there might be some quiet internal opposition among the priests to his becoming the face of Notre Dame.
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As a practicing Catholic I have always been under the impression that ND has recently been looked at as a rougue Catholic institution gone secular by allowing Obama to speak at commensement and that the other Catholic schools.... maybe not the ones you mentioned, are more traditional. I would think ND would be willing to hire anyone to win..... but what do I know I went to a big fat land grant secular college in the middle of Ohio:biggrin:
 
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cincibuck;1603805; said:
... Brian Kelly has some kind of ghost in his closet that may keep him from the ND or Michigan programs. I think it has to do with a police investigation into the death of a Central Michigan player while he was coach there.
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Woody1968;1603809; said:
I think he advised his players not to volunteer information to the police when they were being investigated.
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ORD_Buckeye;1603968; said:
Kelly made a stupid comment at CMU about some players who refused to come forward in a murder investigation being products of their environment and raised in a culture that stigmatizes cooperating with the police. It was a poor choice of words but probably a fairly accurate summation of the issue.

Everything that I've heard of Kelly is that he runs a clean program. His players go to class, graduate and don't get arrested. If he can accomplish that at UC (an urban commuter college with a history of renegade athletic programs, rogue coaches and what clearly seems to be a win at all costs fanbase), I have to imagine that he'd do very well off the field at either ND or Michigan.

I think the biggest issue with Kelly at ND is that he is a pro-choice, liberal Democrat.
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I could of course be wrong, but I don't think there is a single "incident" or "attribute" that is the issue with Kelly. I believe based on what I've heard from other Cincy athletes and from some other football types not affiliated with UC that Kelly really rubs people the wrong way, that he's a "me-first" kind of guy, and that he puts off a really bad vibe. In other words, people really don't like or trust him but have a difficult time putting their finger on exactly why they don't. Tough to hire yet another off-putting guy after struggling so long with Weis, a bona fide asshole.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Wasn't the probation writing on the wall, when Holtz was pushed out? Or did all the violations occur solely under Davies?

Kelly made a stupid comment at CMU about some players who refused to come forward in a murder investigation being products of their environment and raised in a culture that stigmatizes cooperating with the police. It was a poor choice of words but probably a fairly accurate summation of the issue.

Everything that I've heard of Kelly is that he runs a clean program. His players go to class, graduate and don't get arrested. If he can accomplish that at UC (an urban commuter college with a history of renegade athletic programs, rogue coaches and what clearly seems to be a win at all costs fanbase), I have to imagine that he'd do very well off the field at either ND or Michigan.

I think the biggest issue with Kelly at ND is that he is a pro-choice, liberal Democrat. Given the fact that ND has chosen to toe the current Vatican line fairly closely (as opposed to what the better Catholic colleges like Georgetown and BC have done), there might be some quiet internal opposition among the priests to his becoming the face of Notre Dame.
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Don't know that I agree with the last part. Notre Dame has drawn the ire of plenty of practicing Catholics recently. Having President Obama speak at a commencement caused a major uproar with serious Catholics.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott;1604011; said:
Don't know that I agree with the last part. Notre Dame has drawn the ire of plenty of practicing Catholics recently. Having President Obama speak at a commencement caused a major uproar with serious Catholics.
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This, they've actually taken some very liberal stances in recent years, much to the dismay of some alumni and students. The Obama commencement speach is the most recent example (To which many students actually held a seperate ceremony on campus in protest), but they've also been taking a more liberal stance on gay rights and breaking down cultural/social barriers tied to that. Since 2004 they've held a "Queer Film Festival" where they would present gay friendly movies/plays I guess. They put a kabash on it this year, however, after protests and letters were sent to Father Jenkins.

However, just a month ago they stirred more controversy as the Progressive Student Alliance (PSA) requested funding to help send 5 students to Washington for a National Equality March.
 
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bassbuckeye07;1603985; said:
As a practicing Catholic I have always been under the impression that ND has recently been looked at as a rougue Catholic institution gone secular by allowing Obama to speak at commensement and that the other Catholic schools.... maybe not the ones you mentioned, are more traditional. I would think ND would be willing to hire anyone to win..... but what do I know I went to a big fat land grant secular college in the middle of Ohio:biggrin:
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BC - Georgetown "more traditional?" I'd say the Jesuits are anything but "more traditional." They may mouth support for Rome, but they don't call their senior the Black Pope without reason.
 
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cincibuck;1604166; said:
Because it's not close enough to New York and Notre Dame's biggest fan base.
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They're with ya, thats why they setup something with the Yankee stadium for the Army game coming up...to relive those ancient days in the old Yankee stadium when Notre Dame and Army were actually power houses, and tap into all those "subway alumni"
 
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