Notre Dame (football only discussion)

[Flocka]

Lou picked Connecticut to beat ND today.

 

[Jake]

Lou picked Connecticut to beat ND today.

Finally accepting reality, but it doesn't change his preseason NC game pick.

 

[Flocka]

Finally accepting reality, but it doesn't change his preseason NC game pick.

Not even. I guess he made a bet that he would pick UConn if ND lost to Pitt last week. But, he did throw in this gem as a response to Mark May saying ND would win for the seniors.

"I've coached in the last game there and they don't play well. The players have tears in their eyes, they have so many great memories, they can't see who to block and tackle."

 

[Jaxbuck]

Serious question, and I'm not asking for the "old timers" to jump all over me, is Notre Dame really a 'step-up' program? The reason Lou Holtz left was because you can't recruit the players you need to win at ND. I know it's not a step up from where Stoops is at now, but I would also go out on a limb to say Brian Kelly would be a helluva lot better off if he were to stay and continue to build a program at UC and get his new stadium. M*ch*g*n is a step-up from Cincy, and I can see Brian Kelley or Harbaugh wanting that job - but is ND that appealing for coaches today?

In all fairness the only issue I see being legit is if they have entrance standards that keep them from legitimately recruiting the same kind of players a USC, UF, Texas or OSU can go after. Some of the guys much more up on this topic than I am can shed more light. My opinion is it's an over blown issue but that may just be my ND hate.

Other than that I think younger guys who have only seen them suck for the past 20 years are selling ND short. You let the right guy get a hold of that program with its money and resources and you'll quickly learn why older guys hate ND so much.

I would agree with people who say in the BCS system its almost easier for one of these hot shot mid major coaches to get to a BCS game by staying at a UC or TCU type program rather than take over a middle of the pack BCS conference team.

ND is not a BCS conference team, they can set up the schedule however the hell they want and are contractually guaranteed a BCS spot essentially anytime they go 9-3 or better. Any coach worth his salt has to think he can do that consistently.

Every job has its pluses and minuses but overall if you and the admins have an understanding on recruiting a good coach would be out of his 'effing mind to pass on the ND job and stay at a place like UC, TCU, Boise etc.College sports is essentially an arms race and ND has money on a scale few other schools in America can compete.

 

[Jake]

Not even. I guess he made a bet that he would pick UConn if ND lost to Pitt last week. But, he did throw in this gem as a response to Mark May saying ND would win for the seniors.

"I've coached in the last game there and they don't play well. The players have tears in their eyes, they have so many great memories, they can't see who to block and tackle."

And, of course, only Notre Dame players have to deal with tears and great memories on senior day, because ND is "special".

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Turn out the lights when you're done cleaning up. Thanks.

 

[GrizzlyBuck]

Turn out the lights when you're done cleaning up. And don't let the door hit you in the [censored] Oh my, I forgot you had such a gargantuan [censored] here I'll hold the door for you. Thanks.

FIFY

 

[cincibuck]

Serious question, and I'm not asking for the "old timers" to jump all over me, is Notre Dame really a 'step-up' program? The reason Lou Holtz left was because you can't recruit the players you need to win at ND. I know it's not a step up from where Stoops is at now, but I would also go out on a limb to say Brian Kelly would be a helluva lot better off if he were to stay and continue to build a program at UC and get his new stadium. M*ch*g*n is a step-up from Cincy, and I can see Brian Kelley or Harbaugh wanting that job - but is ND that appealing for coaches today?

Lou didn't "leave." He was pushed. Bob Davies did a behind the back number on him with several ND wheeler-dealer alums.

Brian Kelly has some kind of ghost in his closet that may keep him from the ND or Michigan programs. I think it has to do with a police investigation into the death of a Central Michigan player while he was coach there.

Compare the two schedules and I think you'll agree that if Fat Guy can somehow hang in there for one more year he's got a better chance at "redeeming" himself than Dick Wad.

September 4 Connecticut
September 11@ Notre Dame
September 18 Massachusetts
September 25 Bowling Green
October 2 @ Indiana
October 9 Michigan State
October 16 Iowa
October 30 @ Penn State
November 6 Illinois
November 13 @ Purdue
November 20 Wisconsin
November 27 @ Ohio State

2010 Notre Dame Football Schedule
Sept. 4 PURDUE
Sept. 11 MICHIGAN
Sept. 18 at Michigan State
Sept. 25 STANFORD
Oct. 2 at Boston College
Oct. 9 PITTSBURGH
Oct. 16 WESTERN MICHIGAN
Oct. 23 at Navy (at Meadowlands - East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 30 TULSA
Nov. 6 Open Date
Nov. 13 UTAH
Nov. 20 ARMY (at Yankee Stadium - Bronx, N.Y.)
Nov. 27 at USC

 

[Woody1968]

Brian Kelly has some kind of ghost in his closet that may keep him from the ND or Michigan programs. I think it has to do with a police investigation into the death of a Central Michigan player while he was coach there.

I think he advised his players not to volunteer information to the police when they were being investigated.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Lou didn't "leave." He was pushed. Bob Davies did a behind the back number on him with several ND wheeler-dealer alums.

Brian Kelly has some kind of ghost in his closet that may keep him from the ND or Michigan programs. I think it has to do with a police investigation into the death of a Central Michigan player while he was coach there.

Compare the two schedules and I think you'll agree that if Fat Guy can somehow hang in there for one more year he's got a better chance at "redeeming" himself than Dick Wad.

September 4 Connecticut
September 11@ Notre Dame
September 18 Massachusetts
September 25 Bowling Green
October 2 @ Indiana
October 9 Michigan State
October 16 Iowa
October 30 @ Penn State
November 6 Illinois
November 13 @ Purdue
November 20 Wisconsin
November 27 @ Ohio State

2010 Notre Dame Football Schedule
Sept. 4 PURDUE
Sept. 11 MICHIGAN
Sept. 18 at Michigan State
Sept. 25 STANFORD
Oct. 2 at Boston College
Oct. 9 PITTSBURGH
Oct. 16 WESTERN MICHIGAN
Oct. 23 at Navy (at Meadowlands - East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 30 TULSA
Nov. 6 Open Date
Nov. 13 UTAH
Nov. 20 ARMY (at Yankee Stadium - Bronx, N.Y.)
Nov. 27 at USC

I don't think there is any way in hell he makes it but if he does the first 6 games are all 50-50 at best for ND right now imo. If he somehow made it through this off season and starts out 3-3ish they'll have to fire him mid season anyway.

In fact WMU and Army are the only teams I see on there that you can say should be an easy win for ND given the state of their program right now. They may beat Navy, Tulsa, Utah or anyone else except USC but it sure as hell won't be a gimmie.

 

[methomps]

[2008 Domer]2009 is the year when Charlie brings ND back. Jimmy and the team has loads of confidence coming off the bowl win, and the schedule is super easy. If you don't see that ND will win 10 games easy, you're just a hater[/2008 Domer fan]

Damn, Ty ruins everything.

 

[Gatorubet]

[2008 Domer]2009 is the year when Charlie brings ND back. Jimmy and the team has loads of confidence coming off the bowl win, and the schedule is super easy. If you don't see that ND will win 10 games easy, you're just a hater[/2008 Domer fan]

Damn, Ty ruins everything.

My personal belief is that Charlie has been intentionally playing poorly to obtain the first round draft pick!

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Pretty solid column in this morning's Sun Times telling the domers to essentially pull their heads out of their asses, come down off their mountain and go to the Big Ten with their tail between their legs.

Irish must think inside their box :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Colleges

Maybe it's time Notre Dame thinks about a monumental change. One that goes deeper than the football coach. One that lets the Irish keep their national-championship options open but gives them other options as well. Maybe it's time Notre Dame revisited joining the Big Ten.

And Notre Dame? The first order of business is to write Weis a big farewell check and then think INSIDE the box, for once. No high school coaches. No NFL play-calling gurus. No wonder-boy assistants. And forget about Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops. Those ships have sailed.


Just go get Brian Kelly, a Midwestern guy with the right temperament and surname. He really wants it, and he'll handle the glare of the Golden Dome. If you can win at Grand Valley State, Central Michigan and Cincinnati, you're prepared. Just don't lock him up forever until he accomplishes something.

And long-term? ND athletic officials ought to think seriously about what the ND academic community wanted when the Irish and the Big Ten had their discussions 10 years ago.

The faculty senate strongly believed joining the Big Ten would enhance ND as an academic institution. Which is reason enough. But joining a league also might improve life in the athletic department. Yes, the Irish would lose a bit of their unique mystique. But considering the way that has been going lately, that might be a good thing.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Lou didn't "leave." He was pushed. Bob Davies did a behind the back number on him with several ND wheeler-dealer alums.

Brian Kelly has some kind of ghost in his closet that may keep him from the ND or Michigan programs. I think it has to do with a police investigation into the death of a Central Michigan player while he was coach there.

Compare the two schedules and I think you'll agree that if Fat Guy can somehow hang in there for one more year he's got a better chance at "redeeming" himself than Dick Wad.

September 4 Connecticut
September 11@ Notre Dame
September 18 Massachusetts
September 25 Bowling Green
October 2 @ Indiana
October 9 Michigan State
October 16 Iowa
October 30 @ Penn State
November 6 Illinois
November 13 @ Purdue
November 20 Wisconsin
November 27 @ Ohio State

2010 Notre Dame Football Schedule
Sept. 4 PURDUE
Sept. 11 MICHIGAN
Sept. 18 at Michigan State
Sept. 25 STANFORD
Oct. 2 at Boston College
Oct. 9 PITTSBURGH
Oct. 16 WESTERN MICHIGAN
Oct. 23 at Navy (at Meadowlands - East Rutherford, N.J.)
Oct. 30 TULSA
Nov. 6 Open Date
Nov. 13 UTAH
Nov. 20 ARMY (at Yankee Stadium - Bronx, N.Y.)
Nov. 27 at USC

they play Navy in the Meadowlands? why not where the Ravens play? that's where I assume we'll be when we go to Navy.

 

[SSS]

Because these games are intended to promote Notre Dame around the globe, not accomodate the opponent.