Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

[MSURacerDT55]

Again, the true measurement of how successful this thing is if we can start getting the elite bigs out of the south that we have whiffed on for years. If this happens, that would mean doom for the B1G and put us in position to win the natty every year.

 

[Jaxbuck]

That’s an assumption. Jimbo Fisher has always had great recruiting classes. Going back to FSU. No, to my knowledge, NIL deal has been announced for any of the incoming TAMU freshmen. How do we know that’s why they went there? Everything around them and NIL is unsubstantiated.

Then why are these other schools rushing to create their own fund?

No one can afford to get left behind. They are going to do it even if all the extra money wasn't the reason for the all time A&M class (which is hard to believe). They have to.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Then why are these other schools rushing to create their own fund?

No one can afford to get left behind. They are going to do it even if all the extra money wasn't the reason for the all time A&M class (which is hard to believe). They have to.

The schools are creating one because it makes sense for them. Protects them and their players.

Some random group of dudes who may or may not personally benefit from a 3rd party “foundation” is creepy and pathetic.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

The schools are creating one because it makes sense for them. Protects them and their players.

Some random group of dudes who may or may not personally benefit from a 3rd party “foundation” is creepy and pathetic.

Doesn't look to me like the schools are creating them anywhere. They are privately funded (some random group of dudes) at both bama and aTm. And because they are privately funded, FOIA is not an option. While no sports writers have been able to "follow the money" on the aTm recruiting class (because there is no legal means of doing so), many of them are reporting as fact that NIL deals were a big part of aTm's success. Just because something isn't provable doesn't mean there's no good reason to believe it. Living in the real world requires that we make multiple decisions every day based on partial information. There is a great deal of smoke here, and we are not allowed on to the premises to check for fire. I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's probably fire.

The other side of all this is that guys like TreVeyon Henderson, instead of struggling, is sending money home to his mother. If letting a few clowns like Nevada be even more clownish (in ways that I am unlikely ever to hear about) is going to also allow TreVeyon and his mother a better life, then fine. Sounds like, on balance, the world is a better place. Sure, that's not the whole story, but others have pointed out elsewhere that the schools have the means to educate the players on the dangers of this world. At some places, the horror stories will be common, at others they'll be exceptions. If the schools educate the players, then all of the random groups of dudes in the world aren't going to make me begrudge Henderson and his mother having a better life.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Doesn't look to me like the schools are creating them anywhere. They are privately funded (some random group of dudes) at both bama and aTm. And because they are privately funded, FOIA is not an option. While no sports writers have been able to "follow the money" on the aTm recruiting class (because there is no legal means of doing so), many of them are reporting as fact that NIL deals were a big part of aTm's success. Just because something isn't provable doesn't mean there's no good reason to believe it. Living in the real world requires that we make multiple decisions every day based on partial information. There is a great deal of smoke here, and we are not allowed on to the premises to check for fire. I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's probably fire.

The other side of all this is that guys like TreVeyon Henderson, instead of struggling, is sending money home to his mother. If letting a few clowns like Nevada be even more clownish (in ways that I am unlikely ever to hear about) is going to also allow TreVeyon and his mother a better life, then fine. Sounds like, on balance, the world is a better place. Sure, that's not the whole story, but others have pointed out elsewhere that the schools have the means to educate the players on the dangers of this world. At some places, the horror stories will be common, at others they'll be exceptions. If the schools educate the players, then all of the random groups of dudes in the world aren't going to make me begrudge Henderson and his mother having a better life.

Schools aren’t creating them anymore because they’ve already done so. They aren’t going to keep creating them. Some reporters are reporting it as fact, but the recruits deny it. Just because there’s smoke, doesn’t mean there’s fire. Could just be a cigarette.

As far as the second paragraph, why is there a third party needed if, so far, all of the NIL deals that OSU has been bragging about come from them directly without the random group of dudes?

I’m all for NIL deals. I’ve been saying something like this is needed for many years. This just seems like an attention grab for a few people. The Schottenstein family has stakes in multiple national companies. Why do they need a “foundation” for NIL deals? Why doesn’t Brian just get them deals with one or more of the family businesses?


Edit: I misread your first sentence as “schools aren’t creating them anymore” instead of “anywhere.” That’s my bad.

But yes, schools are creating their own. TAMU’s is called “AMPLIFY”. It was created by their athletic department. Bama’s is called COMPASS NIL. Although there’s some unknowns with their NIL rules as the state repealed their NIL law last month.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

You really think the recruiting "Foundation" is working separately from the wishes of the football coach?

With Urban’s ego and control freak nature (add in the chip on his shoulder from being ousted), and I don't think tensions developing between he and Day are out of the question. Hell, I'd put them at almost inevitable.

 

[dragurd]

That’s an assumption. Jimbo Fisher has always had great recruiting classes. Going back to FSU. No, to my knowledge, NIL deal has been announced for any of the incoming TAMU freshmen. How do we know that’s why they went there? Everything around them and NIL is unsubstantiated.

Jimbo Fisher having regular top 10-15 recruiting classes and Jimbo Fisher having the greatest class of all time including a greatest of All time DL class on the strength on the back of an 8-4 season where they beat Bama once are two completely separate things.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Jimbo Fisher having regular top 10-15 recruiting classes and Jimbo Fisher having the greatest class of all time including a greatest of All time DL class on the strength on the back of an 8-4 season where they beat Bama once are two completely separate things.

Other than his first year there, TAMU hasn’t finished lower than 8th in recruiting. At FSU, they were consistently top 3.

 

[pnuts34]

That’s an assumption. Jimbo Fisher has always had great recruiting classes. Going back to FSU. No, to my knowledge, NIL deal has been announced for any of the incoming TAMU freshmen. How do we know that’s why they went there? Everything around them and NIL is unsubstantiated.

Jimbo has had some very good recruiting classes at FSU(#2, #3, #4). But what he did at Texas A&M, a school who’s last and probably one of their few stars, is literally laughable. His ‘22 class had more 5 stars than his #2 and #3 ranked teams at Free Shoes put together. His A&M class is the highest rated class in 247 history, and this is the same team that hasn’t won the SEC west since Manziel played there almost 10yrs ago under Sumlin. To not think something is fishy when that much talent goes to a school that is a perennial 3rd to 4th best team in their own division is either being naive or just choosing to be argumentative. A&M having a top 5-10 class wouldn’t even be a thing, but all of the sudden when NIL deals become a thing, a program that’s the equivalent of Oklahoma St or NC State or Iowa on the field has now brought in 7 5stars and 19 4stars, in one class! Come on, there’s so much smoke here that it’s hard to breath

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Jimbo has had some very good recruiting classes at FSU(#2, #3, #4). But what he did at Texas A&M, a school who’s last and probably one of their few stars, is literally laughable. His ‘22 class had more 5 stars than his #2 and #3 ranked teams at Free Shoes put together. His A&M class is the highest rated class in 247 history, and this is the same team that hasn’t won the SEC west since Manziel played there almost 10yrs ago under Sumlin. To not think something is fishy when that much talent goes to a school that is a perennial 3rd to 4th best team in their own division is either being naive or just choosing to be argumentative. A&M having a top 5-10 class wouldn’t even be a thing, but all of the sudden when NIL deals become a thing, a program that’s the equivalent of Oklahoma St or NC State or Iowa on the field has now brought in 7 5stars and 19 4stars, in one class! Come on, there’s so much smoke here that it’s hard to breath

Or, I just don’t believe things without evidence. You’re either gullible or envious to the point where you have to justify someone having something you want. It’s like a dude in the trailer park telling everybody that a millionaire screwed him over to get that money…but can’t produce any evidence of it. Just sounds like hate and jealousy.

None of you have facts, but are absolutely positive something nefarious went on.

Did they instruct the majority of their recruits to lie about it too? Did they keep the NIL deals a secret?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Or, I just don’t believe things without evidence. You’re either gullible or envious to the point where you have to justify someone having something you want. It’s like a dude in the trailer park telling everybody that a millionaire screwed him over to get that money…but can’t produce any evidence of it. Just sounds like hate and jealousy.

None of you have facts, but are absolutely positive something nefarious went on.

Did they instruct the majority of their recruits to lie about it too? Did they keep the NIL deals a secret?

Nothing nefarious happened, they just did NIL better than everyone else this first year. It is what it is.

Even if the "creepy guy" element only accounted for a small percentage of their success, in an arms race you can't afford to play for less than table stakes.

If you want to use the proper analogy, someone is shooting at you in a trailer park, are you going to stand still and wait for proof that his aim is good or are you taking cover?

When the stakes of doing nothing are too high, you have to play. Even if it's allowing creepy third party guys to get into the game.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Nothing nefarious happened, they just did NIL better than everyone else this first year. It is what it is.

Even if the "creepy guy" element only accounted for a small percentage of their success, in an arms race you can't afford to play for less than table stakes.

If you want to use the proper analogy, someone is shooting at you in a trailer park, are you going to stand still and wait for proof that his aim is good or are you taking cover?

When the stakes of doing nothing are too high, you have to play. Even if it's allowing creepy third party guys to get into the game.

Again, if they’re bragging about how much money OSU athletes are making because of NIL…would that classify as “doing nothing?”

Are we assuming that this “foundation” is going to be better than what the actual athletic department has done?

 

[Jaxbuck]

Again, if they’re bragging about how much money OSU athletes are making because of NIL…would that classify as “doing nothing?”

Are we assuming that this “foundation” is going to be better than what the actual athletic department has done?

Again, I'm simply saying these third party foundations are, like them or not, table stakes. They aren't a replacement for what the schools are doing. They augment it.

No one can sit back, not have one of these things to go with their school efforts, and hope that Jimbo landing a 330+ class with 7 5stars the first year of NIL is simply a coincidence.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Again, I'm simply saying these third party foundations are, like them or not, table stakes. They aren't a replacement for what the schools are doing. They augment it.

No one can sit back, not have one of these things to go with their school efforts, and hope that Jimbo landing a 330+ class with 7 5stars the first year of NIL is simply a coincidence.

And my point is, they don’t have to be. What are they providing? Again, if OSU is bragging about leading the nation in NIL money being brought in and they still didn’t have the #1 recruiting class, what is this “foundation” going to do?

All these athletic departments have their own NIL teams, but a superfan thinks he can do it better. It’s crazy.

 

[Jaxbuck]

And my point is, they don’t have to be. What are the providing? Again, if OSU is bragging about leading the nation in NIL money being brought in and they still didn’t have the #1 recruiting class, what is this “foundation” going to do?

All these athletic departments have their own NIL teams, but a superfan thinks he can do it better. It’s crazy.

You questioned the efficacy of these things several pages back. I have pointed out to you multiple times, that even the threat of these things being just somewhat effective means they will be created.

The threat = the resounding, all time type of success of A&&M's fist NIL class.

The proof that other teams/schools feel this threat is to be found in other teams/school having these unofficial foundation type booster clubs pop up.

Teams that want to compete at the highest level can't afford the consequences of being wrong if they didn't have one of these things and they prove to be valuable to the recruiting process. Therefore, no matter how silly/sleazy/offensive anybody finds them, they will continue to spread until they are proven useless/ineffective/more trouble than they are worth.

I used the life and death example of being shot at as a metaphor to illustrate the principle (sometimes the consequences of inaction are too severe and you have to act with incomplete information).

Pretty simple stuff really.