Name, Image, & Likeness (NIL) at tOSU

[buchtelgrad04]

You questioned the efficacy of these things several pages back. I have pointed out to you multiple times, that even the threat of these things being just somewhat effective means they will be created.

The threat = the resounding, all time type of success of A&&M's fist NIL class.

The proof that other teams/schools feel this threat is to be found in other teams/school having these unofficial foundation type booster clubs pop up.

Teams that want to compete at the highest level can't afford the consequences of being wrong if they didn't have one of these things and they prove to be valuable to the recruiting process. Therefore, no matter how silly/sleazy/offensive anybody finds them, they will continue to spread until they are proven useless/ineffective/more trouble than they are worth.

I used the life and death example of being shot at as a metaphor to illustrate the principle (sometimes the consequences of inaction are too severe and you have to act with incomplete information).

Pretty simple stuff really.

I don’t like that analogy lol.

Being shot at is complete information, to me. That’s everything I need to know. I don’t need to know why. I just know that it happened. TAMU getting the #1 class isn’t complete information.

You said you keep pointing out that the threat is what brings these unofficial foundations up. And I keep telling you it’s stupid, and more likely than not, serves no purpose.

I also keep asking what are they going to provide. The only thing you reply with is “the threat.”

Nobody can even tell me what the TAMU NIL deals are or who got them.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I don’t like that analogy lol.

Being shot at is complete information, to me. That’s everything I need to know. I don’t need to know why. I just know that it happened. TAMU getting the #1 class isn’t complete information.

You said you keep pointing out that the threat is what brings these unofficial foundations up. And I keep telling you it’s stupid, and more likely than not, serves no purpose.

I also keep asking what are they going to provide. The only thing you reply with is “the threat.”

Nobody can even tell me what the TAMU NIL deals are or who got them.

In the real world, people have to make decisions with incomplete information every day. Waiting for complete information is often far riskier than making decisions on incomplete information.

Waiting for a change in the market to be irrefutably proven before committing to action is the kind of thinking that would have fit in on the board of directors at Kodak or the big three automakers in the 80's.

You've made it clear you don't like these things and that's fine but a child can see why the teams/schools would take them as a threat and act on it by creating their own. Again...proven in the real world by, if nothing else, the OSU Foundation.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

In the real world, people have to make decisions with incomplete information every day. Waiting for complete information is often far riskier than making decisions on incomplete information.

Waiting for a change in the market to be irrefutably proven before committing to action is the kind of thinking that would have fit in on the board of directors at Kodak or the big three automakers in the 80's.

You've made it clear you don't like these things and that's fine but a child can see why the teams/schools would take them as a threat and act on it by creating their own. Again...proven in the real world by, if nothing else, the OSU Foundation.

I can see why these would pop up in the MAC or at other schools that don’t have the resources that OSU has. Schottenstein and his board can’t provide anything to OSU players that the school can’t. Which is evidenced by OSU bragging about the work they do with NIL. You call it supplemental. I call it a superfan making it about himself.

Different perspective.

 

[dragurd]

Other than his first year there, TAMU hasn’t finished lower than 8th in recruiting. At FSU, they were consistently top 3.

So FSU is not Texas A&M his first 4 years his recruiting classes at A&M are in order 17, 4, 6, 8. His average recruit goes .8956, .9085, .9111, .9170

His numbers 2022 1 and .9477. The last 2 years he was top 5 team on the back of a lot of seniors. Then fell back to average but beat Bama for the 1st time in his 4 year career.

If you can't see this is an astronomical jump while they were touting their NIL everywhere. I don't know what to tell you.

Generally the recruiting rankings are top 2-3 and everyone else. So the fact he's had 6, 8 look impressive but there is a large gap. Between 6 and the top 2 or 3.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

So FSU is not Texas A&M his first 4 years his recruiting classes at A&M are in order 17, 4, 6, 8. His average recruit goes .8956, .9085, .9111, .9177

His numbers 2022 1 and .9477. The last 2 years he was top 5 team on the back of a lot of seniors. Then fell back to average but beat Bama for the 1st time in his 4 year career.

If you can't see this is an astronomical jump while they were touting their NIL everywhere. I don't know what to tell you.

Generally the recruiting rankings are top 2-3 and everyone else. So the fact he's had 6, 8 look impressive but there is a large gap. Between 6 and the top 2 or 3.

So…you only pointed out that he improved every year while there. But somehow that’s a negative? Okay, cool.

What was the factor in OSU’s jump from 2020 91.76 average to 2021’s 94.98 average?

 

[Jaxbuck]

I can see why these would pop up in the MAC or at other schools that don’t have the resources that OSU has.

It wouldn't work at a MAC school because there isn't enough interest in a MAC school to make a NFP, have boosters pour money into it and then use that money as an inducement to go to said MAC school. That's what these things are doing.

Schottenstein and his board can’t provide anything to OSU players that the school can’t.

Absolutely false. See above. The schools can't give a kid money to come to their school. these NFP supefan things can.

Which is evidenced by OSU bragging about the work they do with NIL.

Absolute straw man. Of course they are going to advertise themselves to recruits the best they can. It has nothing to do with the perceived efficacy/threat of the superfan NFPs.

You call it supplemental. I call it a superfan making it about himself.
Different perspective.

You are letting your distaste for them cloud your judgement about what they are and what they can do. I don't have to agree with them, or even like them, to understand their potential value.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

It wouldn't work at a MAC school because there isn't enough interest in a MAC school to make a NFP, have boosters pour money into it and then use that money as an inducement to go to said MAC school. That's what these things are doing.



Absolutely false. See above. The schools can't give a kid money to come to their school. these NFP supefan things can.


Absolute straw man. Of course they are going to advertise themselves to recruits the best they can. It has nothing to do with the perceived efficacy/threat of the superfan NFPs.



You are letting your distaste for them cloud your judgement about what they are and what they can do. I don't have to agree with them, or even like them, to understand their potential value.

Actually, a superfan can’t just give money to have someone come to their school. That’s still in the NCAA rules.

No, it’s not a strawman. If they are #1 in NIL deals and money, but still didn’t reach the top recruiting class. What is the foundation going to do? Please answer this question with something tangible. Not an idea or perception.

I don’t dislike any of them personally. I just see it for what it is. An attention grab.

 

[dragurd]

So…you only pointed out that he improved every year while there. But somehow that’s a negative? Okay, cool.

What was the factor in OSU’s jump from 2020 91.76 average to 2021’s 94.98 average?

OSU went to playoffs the previous 2 years. 1 play away from playing for the National championship to playing for the National championship. Went from a new coach proving he could do it at that level. From an all time great. Jimbo already had cred like Meyer.

You're just being intellectually dishonest at this point so there is no point in continuing this conversation

Also Ewer's straight up admitted he joined that class over NIL

 

[buchtelgrad04]

OSU went to playoffs the previous 2 years. 1 play away from playing for the National championship to playing for the National championship. Went from a new coach proving he could do it at that level. From an all time great. Jimbo already had cred like Meyer.

You're just being intellectually dishonest at this point so there is no point in continuing this conversation

So, showing improvement on the field and winning big games did it?

Sounds a lot like TAMU last season, even with all of their injuries. They are a season removed from going 9-1. With one of the best defenses in the country.

What I don’t understand is, if all of you guys are so sure that their recruits went there for money…let me know what the deals were and how much each guy got. But you can’t because you don’t know for sure. You’re just guessing and coming off as bitter.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Actually, a superfan can’t just give money to have someone come to their school. That’s still in the NCAA rules.

No, it’s not a strawman. If they are #1 in NIL deals and money, but still didn’t reach the top recruiting class. What is the foundation going to do? Please answer this question with something tangible. Not an idea or perception.

I don’t dislike any of them personally. I just see it for what it is. An attention grab.

Superfan funds aren't supposed to give them money as an inducement but that is what they are doing. See Nick Saban's comments on the subject for my proof.

It will work like this:

OSU #1 NIL official organization: "Hey Johnny Sixguns. We worked with various firms and they have agreed to a total package of $1MM"
OSU superfan/NFP: "Hey Johnny, we passed the hat around town and here's another $1MM on top of that"

Johnny six guns then does the math and goes to the school that provides the greatest aggerate benefit. Like every single human being does every day, he's interested in maximizing his personal benefit.

This isn't that hard man.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Superfan funds aren't supposed to give them money as an inducement but that is what they are doing. See Nick Saban's comments on the subject for my proof.

It will work like this:

OSU #1 NIL official organization: "Hey Johnny Sixguns. We worked with various firms and they have agreed to a total package of $1MM"
OSU superfan/NFP: "Hey Johnny, we passed the hat around town and here's another $1MM on top of that"

Johnny six guns then does the math and goes to the school that provides the greatest aggerate benefit. Like every single human being does every day, he's interested in maximizing his personal benefit.

This isn't that hard man.

So, in your hypothetical, what is the company that is paying that extra 1mil?

Again, you literally can’t just give a kid extra money. Just passing a hat around is not how it works and you know as well as I do that the compliance department isn’t going for that.

So tell me how that helps OSU.

 

[sflbuck]

The Athletic has a recent story that a high level recruit has signed a NIL deal for $8 million deal. They were allowed to look at the contract to verify it under the condition that they not disclose the recruits name or the team he will chose. Those that want to believe that this is not now an important part of the college sports world are no longer living in the real world.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

The Athletic has a recent story that a high level recruit has signed a NIL deal for $8 million deal. They were allowed to look at the contract to verify it under the condition that they not disclose the recruits name or the team he will chose. Those that want to believe that this is not now an important part of the college sports world are no longer living in the real world.

Good thing nobody here believes that it isn’t an important part of college sports.

 

[Jaxbuck]

So, in your hypothetical, what is the company that is paying that extra 1mil?

Again, you literally can’t just give a kid extra money. Just passing a hat around is not how it works and you know as well as I do that the compliance department isn’t going for that.

So tell me how that helps OSU.

Good lord.

The OSU official NIL works our deals for, say, auto dealer x to pay the athlete as a spokesperson. Their money comes from their normal business. Hopefully that source is obvious enough.

The NFP's pay the kid for the use of their NIL and absolutely give him money. It has to be reported to the IRS obviously but the source of that money is donations from individuals. It's all the old money that used to go under the table and some of the new now that any swinging dick in town can go donate $100 to the Foundation. This isn't hypothetical. It's been openly discussed, written about and commented on.

I don't believe for one second you are incapable of seeing how more money from school x than school y can influence a kids decision to attend school x.

 

[pnuts34]

So, showing improvement on the field and winning big games did it?

Sounds a lot like TAMU last season, even with all of their injuries. They are a season removed from going 9-1. With one of the best defenses in the country.

What I don’t understand is, if all of you guys are so sure that their recruits went there for money…let me know what the deals were and how much each guy got. But you can’t because you don’t know for sure. You’re just guessing and coming off as bitter.

Just a quick search on my google machine came up with this:
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2022/01/14/texas-a-m--recruiting--nil

Erb committed to Texas A&M last February before name, image and likeness deals were officially allowed. He said he believes NIL opportunities have factored into this year's recruiting cycle, especially with the amount of money being discussed.

"Look at Travis Hunter, getting a million dollars to go to JSU [Jackson State University]," Erb said. "It's hard to turn that down if you get money like that. It plays a giant factor in your recruitment.”

Texas A&M boosters are rumored to have committed over $25 million to NIL deals to help bolster recruiting, both this year and in the future.

One of aTm’s own signees of the ‘22 class even admits that NIL deals are what factored into this class. And committing $25m to recruiting is nothing to sneeze at. Again,if you can’t understand how important these foundations will be to on field success, then idk what to tell.
Heck, Jimbo is even quoted joking about kids being paid before NIL:

NIL has been going on for a long time, it just ain’t been above board," said Texas A&M coach Jimbo Fisher at National Signing Day in December. "Now it is and I think it does affect things.”

I’m sure you probably never thought that the SEC wasn’t paying players before seeing this quote…