Lebron James (Los Angeles Lakers)

[zwem]

I don't disagree with that, but that's not entirely true either. LeBron took 3 shots in the fourth quarter last night, 1 being a breakaway dunk.

He had other opportunities to attack the rim, especially in the 4th quarter, but deferred to other role players, and Wade. That was why Wade ripped him. Do you want a 20 foot jump-shot from Chalmers, or an attacking LeBron at the rim?? LeBron was sooo passive last night it was beyond being a facilitator...he didn't want to shoot.

It was essentially game 5 against Boston, but luckily D-wade was on the court to take over. Not to mention, we talk about LeBron opening up the court, etc...last night D-wade did his damage in the 4th, by attacking Kidd from the wing. He hit a pull up 18 footer, came down and knocked a 3 in off the dribble, slashed for a lay-up, etc...

I'm not being unfair to James, it just is what it is. They let Kidd check Wade 1 on 1 in the fourth, and Wade burned them. When Wade did get the double, LeBron had a few assists, while Wade would get the hockey assist. But LeBron was never looking to score out of the double even when Dallas brought it. Dude was 1-3 on shots, and passed up numerous other looks/plays at the rim.

Your last sentence is what Dallas should be thinking about. I was shocked that they didn't double team Wade or try to get the ball out of his hands toward the end of the game. Let the passive Lebron try to beat you. I bet anything in game 4, Dallas will have a gameplan toward the end of the game for Wade if it's close. Lebron better be ready to make some key shots if the game is close or he could defer to his teammates. If this is the case and he defers, he better be ready to get ripped.

 

[Flocka]

 

[pharaz1]

Then D-Wade doesn't either apparently. Did you not see him rip LeBron for being too passive?

that's your argument. wade yelling at lebron. ok.

from watching their games this entire playoff, their offense is simply wade and lebron playing off of each other. its an attempt to find the guy who has the mismatch late in games and is playing the best at that moment.

in the last two series against boston and chicago it tended to be james. in this series it's wade. kidd can't guard wade. i dont understand what sane coach would go away from that and say here lebron, i am going to let you run the point, but you can't pass the ball, just shot it.

 

[TooTall]

that's your argument. wade yelling at lebron. ok.

from watching their games this entire playoff, their offense is simply wade and lebron playing off of each other. its an attempt to find the guy who has the mismatch late in games and is playing the best at that moment.

in the last two series against boston and chicago it tended to be james. in this series it's wade. kidd can't guard wade. i dont understand what sane coach would go away from that and say here lebron, i am going to let you run the point, but you can't pass the ball, just shot it.

He's provided plenty of stats to support his argument, but your rebuttal always seems to be stats aren't everything. I'm siding with billmac on this one, LeBron has been passive all Finals long.

 

[OH10]

Lebron didn't want anything to do with the basketball last night. He passed it around like hot potato. It would be one thing if Miami's offense was operating like a well-oiled machine, but the fact is they only scored 41 points in the second half. The only reason Miami won that game is because DWade hit two tough shots down the stretch and because Joel Anthony got the best of Tyson Chandler on the boards.

He simply wasn't much of an impact througout the game.

 

[pharaz1]

He's provided plenty of stats to support his argument, but your rebuttal always seems to be stats aren't everything. I'm siding with billmac on this one, LeBron has been passive all Finals long.

my rebuttal is only that he is playing within the offense. that's it. he is saying that lebron is not doing enough late in games. but if the guy next to you is dominating his defender, then what is the smart thing to do. not give him the ball?

and yes stats are not everything. if you want to go based off stats then dwade sucked during the chicago series. but, if you actually watched the games you would have seen that he stepped up in the last 2 minutes of a couple of those games.

 

[TooTall]

my rebuttal is only that he is playing within the offense. that's it. he is saying that lebron is not doing enough late in games. but if the guy next to you is dominating his defender, then what is the smart thing to do. not give him the ball?

and yes stats are not everything. if you want to go based off stats then dwade sucked during the chicago series. but, if you actually watched the games you would have seen that he stepped up in the last 2 minutes of a couple of those games.

And he isn't. It almost cost them the game last night. Bosh stepped up and made a late shot, why couldn't LeBron? He's been extremely passive, and I really don't see why it's so difficult to accept. It's not a bad thing, he's done it before, numerous times with the Cavs. Only difference being, he has two superstars to fall back on if his shot isn't falling or he doesn't want to shoot them.

 

[pharaz1]

And he isn't. It almost cost them the game last night. Bosh stepped up and made a late shot, why couldn't LeBron? He's been extremely passive, and I really don't see why it's so difficult to accept. It's not a bad thing, he's done it before, numerous times with the Cavs. Only difference being, he has two superstars to fall back on if his shot isn't falling or he doesn't want to shoot them.

he isn't what? again, your criticism is not taking into account the way they play and the situation during the game. if wade is exploiting a mismatch, why go away from it? lebron is playing the point in those situations. his job is to facilitate the offense. be that scoring or passing the ball. he decided to get wade the ball. i think that's the right decision. but you guys are ripping him for differing and want him to play like an idiot like in game 2.

i get the hate for lebron. i just don't understand the hate for how he plays the game particularly yesterday.

 

[TooTall]

he isn't what? again, your criticism is not taking into account the way they play and the situation during the game. if wade is exploiting a mismatch, why go away from it? lebron is playing the point in those situations. his job is to facilitate the offense. be that scoring or passing the ball. he decided to get wade the ball. i think that's the right decision. but you guys are ripping him for differing and want him to play like an idiot like in game 2.

i get the hate for lebron. i just don't understand the hate for how he plays the game particularly yesterday.

At this point we're running in circles.... Wade can't exploit the mismatch every time down the court. He needed his running mate to take the pressure off of him, and LeBron looked like he wanted no part of it. Thus, Wade called him out on it. It is what it is. If you want to believe LeBron is still playing unbelievable basketball, go for it. But he isnt. The Heat are playing well enough to win games, which doesn't take away from LeBron's lack of efficiency down the stretch in games.

LeBron in the 4th Quarter:
Game 1: 5 points
Game 2: 2 points
Game 3: 2 points

Stats don't tell everything, but they sure as hell speak volumes when you can only score 9 combined points in three games in the 4th Quarter.

Hate? Yeah, I hate him. Doesn't mean I can't have a civilized conversation about him or his lack of efficiency. Come on, take your blinders off... You've been proven wrong multiple times now. Time to give it up.

 

[osubartender23]

.if you want to go based off stats then dwade sucked during the chicago series. but, if you actually watched the games you would have seen that he stepped up in the last 2 minutes of a couple of those games.

The difference between DWade and Lebron is that Wade actually STEPPED UP his game when the game was on the line instead of deferring to another player down the stretch, even though Wade was sucking during the series.

 

[TooTall]

The difference between DWade and Lebron is that Wade actually STEPPED UP his game when the game was on the line instead of deferring to another player down the stretch, even though Wade was sucking during the series.

STOP! You're making too much sense. Even WITHOUT stats! *gasp*

 

[pharaz1]

The difference between DWade and Lebron is that Wade actually STEPPED UP his game when the game was on the line instead of deferring to another player down the stretch, even though Wade was sucking during the series.

wade differed to lebron in the chicago and boston series a couple of times. wade "differed" to bosh on that last shot last night. its called passing the ball to a guy who is open or has a mismatch. that's good basketball.

 

[pharaz1]

At this point we're running in circles.... Wade can't exploit the mismatch every time down the court. He needed his running mate to take the pressure off of him, and LeBron looked like he wanted no part of it. Thus, Wade called him out on it. It is what it is. If you want to believe LeBron is still playing unbelievable basketball, go for it. But he isnt. The Heat are playing well enough to win games, which doesn't take away from LeBron's lack of efficiency down the stretch in games.

LeBron in the 4th Quarter:
Game 1: 5 points
Game 2: 2 points
Game 3: 2 points

Stats don't tell everything, but they sure as hell speak volumes when you can only score 9 combined points in three games in the 4th Quarter.

Hate? Yeah, I hate him. Doesn't mean I can't have a civilized conversation about him or his lack of efficiency. Come on, take your blinders off... You've been proven wrong multiple times now. Time to give it up.

wade did exploit that match up nearly every time down the court. you are way to hung up on wade yelling at lebron for a play that resulted in an open 3.

 

[TooTall]

wade did exploit that match up nearly every time down the court. you are way to hung up on wade yelling at lebron for a play that resulted in an open 3.

And you are way too hung up on defending your man crush. I threw stats out ALONG with the fact that Wade called him out. Seriously, give it up.

9 points combined in three Finals' 4th Quarters.

 

[pharaz1]

And you are way too hung up on defending your man crush. I threw stats out ALONG with the fact that Wade called him out. Seriously, give it up.

9 points combined in three Finals' 4th Quarters.

since your are obsessed with stats. then i guess 9 assists counts for nothing and that lebron had a positive +/- compared to wade who had a negative +/- tells the whole story of the game. that right their proves how stats are overrated. the fact that wade had negative +/- would indicate he played poorly and hurt his team, but no one who watched the game would say that.

and i have no idea about the man crush your talking about. personally, i enjoy watching dwade a lot more then james. i just don't understand the criticism that he is getting for yesterday.