Lebron James (Los Angeles Lakers)

[BUCKYLE]

It's clear Buckyle just hates Cleveland so trying to talk sense into him won't get you very far...

What would you say if Troy Smith transferred to Florida after losing to them in the NC game? And did so on a one hour ESPN special where he said "i'm taking my talents to Gainesville" - and proceeded to shit on Columbus and the Buckeyes from then on claiming that "I was never really a fan of Columbus, cause i'm from Cleveland"

Rampage!!! on the 'net, obviously.

1. Update my facebook status to "OMGZZZ!!! WHAT A BITCH!! FUCK HIM"
2. Come on BP, wish real harm on the first QB to beat TSUN three fucking times since Tippy Dye.
3. Argue that it wasn't that he left but how, kinda like when a woman tells you, "it's not what you said, it's how you said it."

First Kyle...that's the first I've ever heard someone say it's the people of Cleveland that forced Art Modell and the Browns out. The fans were widely considered the best supporters in the NFL when Modell pulled the franchise out, so that makes zero sense. Blame it on Modell, blame it on James White...but the fans is an illogical statement.

And LeBron is the one who was running around saying he wouldn't leave Cleveland until he brought them a championship, that Cleveland had the edge b/c it was his hometown, that family comes first...etc. And then he left for Miami, leaving Savannah and the kids in Bath, OH to join Dwayne Wade and his group-sex parties in South Beach. He convinced Wade and Bosh to sign 3 year deals in '07 so they could team up this off-season in a major market. LeBron and Bosh, as a duo, stayed strong when Toronto and Cleveland had a deal in place to send him to Cleveland with a max deal (shotting down your Top 50 player with Magic and Jordan argument).

And above all else, instead of competing against the best players like Jordan and Magic did, they've created an AAU mindset in the NBA where all the players are buddy-buddy and they'd rather join up to create super-teams rtaher than compete to be the best. It's stupid. Instead of 6-7 very good teams, now we get 3 or 4. And the remaining teams with star players under contract are scrambling to appease their stars or succumbing to trade demands (again CP3 and Melo).

It's crazy what a good off-season Kobe has had just because he's a competitor and all of these other guys have proven how soft their mentalities are. And the Kobe wanting out of LA argument is ridiculous, b/c if he left LA it was for an awful Chicago team. He wanted to go to Chicago to rebuild the Bulls dynasty like MJ did. Not join a top 3 NBA player in a city where he already won a championship.

1. I didn't know D-Wayde had orgy's with South Beach bitches....you REALLY can't understand why he left? WTF?
2. You all saw this coming for three fucking years and still can't get a grip?
3. Jordan had Pippen. He didn't have to wait for seven years to get him. Bird had Parrish and McHale. Kareem was already in L.A. when Magic got there. If they really wanted Lebron to stay, they should've gotten off their fucking asses a bit sooner.

 

[NFBuck]

2. You all saw this coming for three fucking years and still can't get a grip?

Wrong. He had us all fooled and put on the good "company man" mask and had us believing he'd actually stay. Our fault for being naive, I guess.

3. Jordan had Pippen. He didn't have to wait for seven years to get him. Bird had Parrish and McHale. Kareem was already in L.A. when Magic got there. If they really wanted Lebron to stay, they should've gotten off their fucking asses a bit sooner.

Again, you're not grasping that nobody would come to Cleveland because there were no assurances Urkel was going to be there for the long haul. They made numerous attempts to bring in the talent.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Wrong. He had us all fooled and put on the good "company man" mask and had us believing he'd actually stay. Our fault for being naive, I guess.

Again, you're not grasping that nobody would come to Cleveland because there were no assurances Urkel was going to be there for the long haul. They made numerous attempts to bring in the talent.

So in one sentence no one knew he would leave. The next sentence the talent wouldn't come because everyone knew he wasn't a lifer? I'm confused.

 

[NFBuck]

So in one sentence no one knew he would leave. The next sentence the talent wouldn't come because everyone knew he wasn't a lifer? I'm confused.

Fans and the rest of the nba are two different things. I think most of us tried really hard to believe that this was different. You had an Ohio guy coming into a championship starved city. He said all the right things. Turns out it was all bullshit. The players, on the other hand, apparently didn't buy into it and wouldn't come to Cleveland without guarantees that Urkel was commited to Cleveland. Can't blame them, without Urkel, the Cavs are a bottom-tier team. Him not making any kind of commitment handcuffed the franchise. Add in the fact that he didn't even extend the common courtesy of informing the Cavs he was leaving before his little dog and pony show and it really isn't difficult to understand the animosity.

 

[billmac91]

Would you guys be [censored]ed if he stayed and never won a title? Technically, that would be "lying" if he said "he loves Cleveland, would not leave Cleveland, and would bring a title to Cleveland."

Absolutely not...he'd have gone down as a bigger hero than Jim Brown. It's the combination of leaving when he stated he would bring a title, jumping on D-Wade's back in South Beach, and the new garbage mentailty he has infused into the NBA.

But had he stayed in Cleveland and signed a long-term extension its hard not to imagine them winning a title with th eplayers who would have come to the city. Unfortunately no players wanted to come to Cleveland when the thought around the league was he had one foot out the door...which ended up being 100% correct.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Fans and the rest of the nba are two different things. I think most of us tried really hard to believe that this was different. You had an Ohio guy coming into a championship starved city. He said all the right things. Turns out it was all bullshit. The players, on the other hand, apparently didn't buy into it and wouldn't come to Cleveland without guarantees that Urkel was commited to Cleveland. Can't blame them, without Urkel, the Cavs are a bottom-tier team.

And that's my point. It's not as much Bron-bron's fault for being what we've come to expect from most pro athletes. It's Cavs fans fault for believing a fuckin' word of the bullshit and not seeing what was apparently crystal clear to the rest of the NBA...and most non-Cavs fans, fwiw.

Before the decision, I didn't hear ONE Cavs fan bitching about the way he was going about it. Had he chosen to stay...would anyone have cared that he did it on ESPN? Of course not. When he said "Miami", everyone had to find something to demonize about him. Granted, he didn't make it too hard...but crimony.

 

[billmac91]

Rampage!!! on the 'net, obviously.

1. Update my facebook status to "OMGZZZ!!! WHAT A BITCH!! [censored] HIM"
2. Come on BP, wish real harm on the first QB to beat TSUN three [censored]ing times since Tippy Dye.
3. Argue that it wasn't that he left but how, kinda like when a woman tells you, "it's not what you said, it's how you said it."



1. I didn't know D-Wayde had orgy's with South Beach bitches....you REALLY can't understand why he left? WTF?
2. You all saw this coming for three [censored]ing years and still can't get a grip?
3. Jordan had Pippen. He didn't have to wait for seven years to get him. Bird had Parrish and McHale. Kareem was already in L.A. when Magic got there. If they really wanted Lebron to stay, they should've gotten off their [censored]ing asses a bit sooner.

Jordan didn't make the finals until he was 27. LeBron is 25. Commit to the city, get your Pippen. He never did.

 

[NFBuck]

Before the decision, I didn't hear ONE Cavs fan bitching about the way he was going about it. Had he chosen to stay...would anyone have cared that he did it on ESPN? Of course not. When he said "Miami", everyone had to find something to demonize about him. Granted, he didn't make it too hard...but crimony.

I think you're wrong here. Hell, most of us were bitching on here about what a spectacle was being made. Especially when the whole e!spn special was announced. If he wasn't such a damn prima-donna, he would have simply made a decision, informed his other suitors and announced it via a press conference or press release like any other normal human being. But he and his camp (who may be more to blame than the man-child) decided they needed to produce an hour long monument to the "chosen one" (don't even get me started on that bullshit monicker)...

The NBA is now run by the Maverick Carters and World Wide Wes's of the world...it's sad.

 

[OH10]

I doubt there's anything that's going to convince Kyle one way or another to understand how Cavs fans feel about the situation. So why are people bothering to argue with this self-acknowledged Cleveland hater that's probably enjoying the misery and bickering more than anything else?

By the way, I do hope Lebron gets hurt. I'm not sorry about it. I realize its an irrational wish based upon overzealous hatred. Don't care. Fuck him.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I think you're wrong here. Hell, most of us were bitching on here about what a spectacle was being made. Especially when the whole e!spn special was announced. If he wasn't such a damn prima-donna, he would have simply made a decision, informed his other suitors and announced it via a press conference or press release like any other normal human being. But he and his camp (who may be more to blame than the man-child) decided they needed to produce an hour long monument to the "chosen one" (don't even get me started on that bullshit monicker)...

If he had said "I'm stayin' here and bringin' a 'ship to Cleveland", the decision wouldn't have been an issue, at least not the blown out of proportion, angry mess it is now.

 

[billmac91]

If he had said "I'm stayin' here and bringin' a 'ship to Cleveland", the decision wouldn't have been an issue, at least not the blown out of proportion, angry mess it is now.

But he wouldn't have been such an a-hole if he did that. To do what he did to his home city knowing 50,000 jobs would be lost, naming it "The Decesion", and then the proceeding days of recruiting for Miami when he never did in Cleveland and thanking Akron but not Cleveland put it all over the top.

There are multiple things to hate him for...not just one.

 

[NFBuck]

If he had said "I'm stayin' here and bringin' a 'ship to Cleveland", the decision wouldn't have been an issue, at least not the blown out of proportion, angry mess it is now.

Well, yeah. It would mean all the bullshit he had been selling us for seven years was true. But it wasn't. So we're pissed. And I hope he gets eaten by a shark or at least stung on the dick by a mutant jellyfish.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Absolutely not...he'd have gone down as a bigger hero than Jim Brown. It's the combination of leaving when he stated he would bring a title, jumping on D-Wade's back in South Beach, and the new garbage mentailty he has infused into the NBA.

But had he stayed in Cleveland and signed a long-term extension its hard not to imagine them winning a title with th eplayers who would have come to the city. Unfortunately no players wanted to come to Cleveland when the thought around the league was he had one foot out the door...which ended up being 100% correct.

I totally understand the bitch move of joining up with DWade and Bosh just to win a title. I didn't like it when Ray Bourqe did it, I didn't like it when Gary Payton and Karl Malone tried it......and even they only tried it as a last ditch effort. Lebron doing it in the prime of his career multiplies the bitch factor by about a million.

But I don't understand the hatred because he said he would stay and win a title. What else was he supposed to say?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

But he wouldn't have been such an a-hole if he did that. To do what he did to his home city knowing 50,000 jobs would be lost, naming it "The Decesion", and then the proceeding days of recruiting for Miami when he never did in Cleveland and thanking Akron but not Cleveland put it all over the top.

There are multiple things to hate him for...not just one.

And these things don't really need to be brought up. They're just added on by the fans, but they don't really mean anything:
- to his home city
- 50,000 jobs would be lost
- naming it "The Decesion"

He's done enough shitty things to make him look like a bitch....there's no need to embellish it.

 

[NFBuck]

I totally understand the bitch move of joining up with DWade and Bosh just to win a title. I didn't like it when Ray Bourqe did it, I didn't like it when Gary Payton and Karl Malone tried it......and even they only tried it as a last ditch effort. Lebron doing it in the prime of his career multiplies the bitch factor by about a million.

But I don't understand the hatred because he said he would stay and win a title. What else was he supposed to say?

Fair enough and you may have a point. But what else are Cavs fans supposed to feel after buying into that bullshit for seven years only to be jilted on national television? Again, it goes back to not that he left, but HOW he left.