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Jameis Winston (QB Browns)

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buckeyesin07 said:
I can't imagine any circumstance under which Florida State stands by its position that Jameis' status has not changed if this is true.
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Well, innocent until proven guilty. There is no NCAA uniform standard of how to deal with a player who is subject to an ongoing police investigation, so it would depend entirely on school policy and/or the coach's policy.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
I can't imagine any circumstance under which Florida State stands by its position that Jameis' status has not changed if this is true.
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What a joke of a f%#&ing university if this guy takes the field in Saturday. We're talking about a suspect in a violent sexual assault who has lawyered up and, based upon that lawyer's counsel, is refusing to speak with police. How do you justify his playing?
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
What a joke of a f%#&ing university if this guy takes the field in Saturday. We're talking about a suspect in a violent sexual assault who has lawyered up and, based upon that lawyer's counsel, is refusing to speak with police. How do you justify his playing?
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especially since they could take the frail corpse of 50 year old chris weinke, break his right arm, smash him in the head with a hammer, suit him up at qb, and still beat syracuse.

my guess is the following: if they suspend him now, pending an outcome, and fsu wins out and gets to the title game, they can't possibly play him in the title game if the case isn't resolved. if they say fuck it, and play him the whole way through, they can justify him playing. that is of course, if he's not formally charged first. but, i strongly suspect if he is going to be charged, it will miraculously happen after the bcs title game.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I don't do criminal law, but so far as I remember from law school....

The right to remain silent does not attach until you've been placed under arrest. If you are a witness in the investigation of some other person, I suppose you could refuse to cooperate without any legal consequences, though I think it could also be construed as obstruction in some circumstances. I can't say what those are though.

I cannot imagine a lawyer counseling a witness to a crime, not a suspect, to "keep your mouth shut" Again - if you're not being accused, there aren't that many legal rights attached to you at that moment. Oh, sure, you could chose to be a dick and just not help the cops, but I have a hard time thinking a lawyer needs to be involved for that advice, and I'd be surprised if a lawyer offered a client that kind of advice.

And... in most circumstances... witnesses don't have - and dont NEED - lawyers.
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Even though this is from Wikki it is I believe correct

Outside the context of detention or arrest, a person has no duty to answer any questions of police at all; and if judicial compulsion is sought by the State, the person still can invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege against compulsory self-incrimination, and refuse to comply. Only if granted immunity by the state, in a formal proceeding, from having any testimony or evidence derived from the testimony used against him, can a person be compelled to answer over an assertion of this privilege. Kastigar v. US, 406 US 441, 462 (1972). If police detain (or arrest) a person, they must advise him that he has a right to remain silent, and the right to an attorney, among other rights. If the detained person invokes these rights, all interrogation must cease, and nothing said by the defendant in violation of this rule can be admitted against him at trial. Miranda v. Arizona, 384 US 436, 448–50, 455 (1966).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_silence
 
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tsteele316 said:
especially since they could take the frail corpse of 50 year old chris weinke, break his right arm, smash him in the head with a hammer, suit him up at qb, and still beat syracuse.

my guess is the following: if they suspend him now, pending an outcome, and fsu wins out and gets to the title game, they can't possibly play him in the title game if the case isn't resolved. if they say fuck it, and play him the whole way through, they can justify him playing. that is of course, if he's not formally charged first. but, i strongly suspect if he is going to be charged, it will miraculously happen after the bcs title game.
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I fully expect them to follow Auburn's strategy...

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NFBuck said:
I fully expect them to follow Auburn's strategy...
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I fully expect them to try but given the nature of the accusations I'm holding out hope (for human decency, not football) that there is at least one reasonable human in the FSU camp that has a moment of clarity about this.

If this is true and you look the other way in favor of football what makes you any different than Penn State or Notre Dame?
 
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Remember FSU's 2nd string QB just had surgery.
He could be charged with 1st degree murder and they wouldn't suspend him: "case is still pending".
Not that I'm saying he should be; we don't have any of the details. FSU and Jimbo appear to have known about whatevers going on since a long time ago, however.
 
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