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Jameis Winston (QB Browns)

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NFBuck said:
Well, this certainly has the potential to get REALLY ugly. However, if I were a betting man, I'd lay real money on nothing coming of this.
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just like carlos hyde allegedly knocked a girl out cold at a nightclub, i'll wait to see what really happened. however, i find it hard to fathom that any attorney would advise his client to not cooperate with the police as quickly as possible to end this matter if there was no involvement. but for all we know winston could have sat there and watched a buddy assault this girl and do nothing, and now won't talk.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
It's quite the opposite. The last couple of years have clearly shown that the Paterno cult only cares for football.

While I've always loved college football, I'm getting to the point that the necessary compromises along with the dysfunctional influence of ESPN have reached a tipping point where universities who are first and foremost worried about being universities are going to need to think long and hard about reigning in the beast. One of the reasons I feel so strongly in favor of a true NFL minor league for the Vince Young's and Incognitos of the world.
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I can see that. I was more looking at the surface of the comment that "we should leave the NCAA". I don't need to tell you that Penn State fans have been saying that this whole time. I wasn't commenting on the differences in motives.
 
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BuckJr said:
In which case wouldn't Winston still be guilty in some degree?
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Maybe the lawyers can answer this. Winston has the right to not testify against himself. I don't believe that carries over to the right not to cooperate in a felony investigation of another person. To my thinking, that's obstruction of justice, and that's a felony in and of itself.

No smart attorney is going to counsel him not to snitch. They, however, will counsel him on his right to remain silent, which I think is happening here.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Maybe the lawyers can answer this. Winston has the right to not testify against himself. I don't believe that carries over to the right not to cooperate in a felony investigation of another person. To my thinking, that's obstruction of justice, and that's a felony in and of itself.

No smart attorney is going to counsel him not to snitch. They, however, will counsel him on his right to remain silent.
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Exactly how I see it.
 
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I don't do criminal law, but so far as I remember from law school....

The right to remain silent does not attach until you've been placed under arrest. If you are a witness in the investigation of some other person, I suppose you could refuse to cooperate without any legal consequences, though I think it could also be construed as obstruction in some circumstances. I can't say what those are though.

I cannot imagine a lawyer counseling a witness to a crime, not a suspect, to "keep your mouth shut" Again - if you're not being accused, there aren't that many legal rights attached to you at that moment. Oh, sure, you could chose to be a dick and just not help the cops, but I have a hard time thinking a lawyer needs to be involved for that advice, and I'd be surprised if a lawyer offered a client that kind of advice.

And... in most circumstances... witnesses don't have - and dont NEED - lawyers.
 
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