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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

They just don’t look nasty enough. Maybe I sound like an old guy yelling at a cloud but I just don’t see the aggression or ferocity on either side. Talent is great and all but good god man no one looks like they just want to destroy someone except for a select few.
THIS.

And for all the Day-Urban comparisons this is the most glaring.

I know the “choke you over a game of checkers” thing was overused but I literally could picture Urban doing that. And his time away from tOSU has really exposed dark sides of him. But he has 3 rings. I can only imagine the dark sides of Saban, Kirby etc.

Everyone says what a good guy Day is. I kinda wished he was more of an asshole to be honest.
 
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I said this a bit earlier but watching Texas put Alabama away depressed me a bit. Texas had the ball at the end of the game and iced Bama by just literally coming at Bama on a 3rd and 2 — when they knew damn well what was coming. They did it twice in their final drive on the ground and I feel like this offense could never do that against a good team this season or at any point under Day moving forward.

It’s truly just baffling to me how something so simple seems so foreign to a staff or single coach.
Totally agree.
I realize it’s not smart coaching but part of me would say to the O Line this week: we are going to run the ball all damn game. If you get stuffed on a run play at 3rd and 2, we will run it again. And again.

If you can’t win the line of scrimmage, it will be there for the whole world to see. Day’s toughest teams were his early years with Urban players IMO. Day seems pretty soft to me. We need more of this.

 
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I caught his comments on that and the lack of 2nd half posessions, he just looked pissed at what he was seeing the whole game.
I was surprised he didn't act more livid, I most definitely was. You go from halftime to having half of the third quarter being eviscerated by the defense being unable to get a D2 program off the field...that is some weak shit and I don't know how else to put it.
I said this a bit earlier but watching Texas put Alabama away depressed me a bit. Texas had the ball at the end of the game and iced Bama by just literally coming at Bama on a 3rd and 2 — when they knew damn well what was coming. They did it twice in their final drive on the ground and I feel like this offense could never do that against a good team this season or at any point under Day moving forward.

It’s truly just baffling to me how something so simple seems so foreign to a staff or single coach.
Same deal. I am really concerned we cannot pick up a 3rd and short with the run, but maybe we are reaching the point where we accept our fate there and just throw it. I hate to say that, but after last season and two lackluster opponents are shutting it down every time, not sure what else to propose.
You need carries to get those honors. Our backs split carries and were banged up last year.

On a related note, I do think Day is too concerned with pleasing everyone. The split reps between the QBs and RBs is doing more harm than good
On the bolded, I would disagree mostly because of our slate of games to start the year. We need the reps in the first three games, which are mostly a chance to audition after fall camp. At QB, I truly believe the battle was real...but after yesterday, I think it is over and we need to focus on McCord getting the snaps, sans if we are up big getting Brown reps. I expect McCord to play most of the WKU game to really prepare for ND and if we don't do that, I would be disappointed.

At RB, I loved what they did with Tre getting most of the work upfront...he got into a nice rhythm and I don't care who the opponent was, he was running very well and looked like his old self again, so explosive if given just a bit of room to run or catch. He got a ton of touches and I would have to go back to watch it, but didn't he take the first 3-4 drives? In any event you need fresh legs, and Miyan and Chip are very good players, so they have to get on the field. That helps Tre and the team really.
Totally agree.
I realize it’s not smart coaching but part of me would say to the O Line this week: we are going to run the ball all damn game. If you get stuffed on a run play at 3rd and 2, we will run it again. And again.

If you can’t win the line of scrimmage, it will be there for the whole world to see. Day’s toughest teams were his early years with Urban players IMO. Day seems pretty soft to me. We need more of this.


Sadly that approach is what we have been implementing to a point of chagrin, because inexplicably we can't get it to work. I agree it needs to be THE point of emphasis with this offense, but I think the staff has tried to make it a point of emphasis and somehow we can't get the job done. I don't think it is a lack of talent or physicality of the players, I think it is a coaching problem. Day better sort that out because you are right, if you don't win the LOS, you will not beat the teams we need to beat for a title.
 
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You need carries to get those honors. Our backs split carries and were banged up last year.

On a related note, I do think Day is too concerned with pleasing everyone. The split reps between the QBs and RBs is doing more harm than good

I completely agree with the splitting reps for QBs and RBs. I think we are mixing in guys at RB too much for anyone to get comfortable and figure out where holes can open over a game. The o-line just isn't overpowering enough to open up specific holes between the tackles for the RBs. If they want to use this many RBs, they have to be more creative and use more misdirection.
 
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It sounds like the exact opposite. I get he hasn't met goals, but he's gotten OSU in the playoffs 3 times, gets 11 wins, and people act like he's downgrading the program. He's not there yet but I also don't think he's far away. People are acting like he gives the team no chance to win.

It really is all about 1 game.
Nobody wants a repeat of Cooper era.

You can lose in the playoffs or whatever. You can lose to Purdue, Illinois, Iowa, ... even so embarrassingly that the 1 loss gives ESPN cause to knock you out of playoff discussion.
People will gripe, especially the bandwagon, but nobody NOBODY will be talking about hot seats.

Day needs to understand this.
The root of Ohio State being dominant since 2001 all goes back to making sure we keep the choke hold on that 1 school up north.
 
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It really is all about 1 game.
Nobody wants a repeat of Cooper era.

You can lose in the playoffs or whatever. You can lose to Purdue, Illinois, Iowa, ... even so embarrassingly that the 1 loss gives ESPN cause to knock you out of playoff discussion.
People will gripe, especially the bandwagon, but nobody NOBODY will be talking about hot seats.

Day needs to understand this.
The root of Ohio State being dominant since 2001 all goes back to making sure we keep the choke hold on that 1 school up north.

To be fair, they fired Earl while he had the best win% in the conference during his tenure and he was 4-4 in The Game when they did it. So it isn't just the one very special game, they really expect you to win them all BUT if you are going to get fired with a really great overall record, it's going to be because of The Game.

All that said, Day's pattern is becoming very obvious, even to those who tried to remain hopeful about it. It won't be Gene but he's going to get it sooner or later. The guy just isn't growing into the actual HC role. He's still just an OC/QB guru.

The AD could make the decision to put an uber strong bumper guard in place to be the defacto head coach in all but name to overcome that but that would take a hard conversation with Day and I don't think Gene is up to doing anything like that.
 
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To be fair, they fired Earl while he had the best win% in the conference during his tenure and he was 4-4 in The Game when they did it. So it isn't just the one very special game, they really expect you to win them all BUT if you are going to get fired with a really great overall record, it's going to be because of The Game.

All that said, Day's pattern is becoming very obvious, even to those who tried to remain hopeful about it. It won't be Gene but he's going to get it sooner or later. The guy just isn't growing into the actual HC role. He's still just an OC/QB guru.

The AD could make the decision to put an uber strong bumper guard in place to be the defacto head coach in all but name to overcome that but that would take a hard conversation with Day and I don't think Gene is up to doing anything like that.

Imo the Earle to Cooper debacle is a big part of what drives this standard being codified.

The rivalry long predates both coaches, obviously. But we fired Earle for being a 9win guy that played hard against scUM for a 10-11 win guy that couldn't beat scUM to save his life.

And we all agree the former was better for the University and program.


Edit: on Day retaining his non-HC jobs. I feel like it's very beneficial for us that he continues the QB whisperer role. But he needs to give up OC.
Unfortunately, the Hartline promotion seems to preclude that.
I like Hartline getting promoted (must keep), but don't like the readymade excuse for Day to keep playcalling. Wilson should have been given more leeway imo, he was perfectly capable of playcalling... or get another experienced OC to do it.
 
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To be fair, they fired Earl while he had the best win% in the conference during his tenure and he was 4-4 in The Game when they did it. So it isn't just the one very special game, they really expect you to win them all BUT if you are going to get fired with a really great overall record, it's going to be because of The Game.

All that said, Day's pattern is becoming very obvious, even to those who tried to remain hopeful about it. It won't be Gene but he's going to get it sooner or later. The guy just isn't growing into the actual HC role. He's still just an OC/QB guru.

The AD could make the decision to put an uber strong bumper guard in place to be the defacto head coach in all but name to overcome that but that would take a hard conversation with Day and I don't think Gene is up to doing anything like that.
I’m afraid you are right about Day still being more of an OC than a HC, which sucks to say. This is a damn hard hard gig as your first gig. Keep hoping he will figure it out like Kirby did.
 
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I’m afraid you are right about Day still being more of an OC than a HC, which sucks to say. This is a damn hard hard gig as your first gig. Keep hoping he will figure it out like Kirby did.

What we don’t know is if it’s a knowing problem or a doing problem.

Some guys grow into the new job because they are given some training, take to it and succeed.

Some guys fail because their organization fails them by not teaching. Other guys fail because they won’t take to the training.

Hearing the topic come up of delegating OC duties this year gave me some hope but as soon as I heard him say he wasn’t giving it up you had to know what we’ve got on our hands here.
 
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