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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

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1926Buckeyes said:
Fair enough. Beating Michigan was definitely the saving grace, although I think a lot of grace was given due to him winning an NC and his success at Florida. Meyer's legacy has been preserved because he left at the right moment. The program didn't have a future with him at the helm. The team was winning but looked like Florida circa 2009. No future QB, no identity, and a terrible defensive staff.

I don't see another coach out there that would be given the same type of leeway by just beating Michigan. Even with Tressel, fans were consistently calling for the new flavor of the month HC to be hired. There were a lot of discussions just like this one and people seem to have forgotten.

Day isn't Meyer, but I think he gives the team a chance with NIL, transfers, and better offense for the playoffs. If he shits the bed I'm not going argue him leaving or his seat being red hot. I want results too. But there's no point in giving up and packing his bags until we see losses.
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With UFM you had a guy born and raised in Ashtabula Ohio that coached at OSU as a grad assistant. Then (as you mentioned) had great success at Utah and Florida before coming here. He had more leeway than any coach could really have at OSU.

Then you have Day that played QB at New Hampshire, then coached QBs at the pro level and bounced around some east coast schools as an assistant coach. He was arguably the best UFM hire with how he improved QB play/recruiting and the passing game overall (I will entertain arguments for Hartline and LJ Sr). But having no Ohio ties, fairly or unfairly he will receive extra scrutiny, particularly with 2 losses in a row against the team we hate.

But that all being said, Day is someone I root for and want to succeed. And he has been very successful overall, it is just a tough gig. As far as I am concerned, he can lose a couple games this year but just not the one at the end of November. Obviously I want to win them all and we are just in Week 2, and perhaps it is a false dichotomy to think this way...but I would rather drop 2-3 losses to anyone but ttun than to win them all but lose to ttun. And we frankly look like a 2+ loss team so far, so I am just adjusting my expectations for this season.

Despite that valid criticism, Day is the best coach we could have at OSU right now and a lot of OSU fans don't realize that. I hope him and the rest of the staff keep moving forward to improving each week, with next Saturday being crucial in getting ready for ND on the road and then a much tougher conference slate after ND. Training wheels need to come off next game, McCord needs most of the snaps, and there better be improvement on both sides...specifically short down yardage situations and pass pro on offense, then getting off the damn field on 3rd down and creating more pressure without an extra blitz guy on defense.
 
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heisman said:
It’s the manner in which they lost those two games. Total train wrecks. Completely unprepared, uninspired, and uncompetitive. If we lost two heartbreakers, Day detractors would be non-existent.
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Yep. Two ass beatings to that freaking skunk weasel team and there can be no result except a win that OSU fans will accept. We should be running through a brick wall at 100 mph against them and we just got slobberknocked while looking apathetic. Witnessing it live in Columbus was just terrible and I was the biggest Day supporter walking in. That made me take a little step back to say you gotta beat ttun or else this won't work.
 
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Tanner said:
You obviously don't want to panic after 2 games but at the same time the past couple years we've seen teams who appeared to have serious flaws early in the year and a lot of people were calling them out and a lot of people responded "don't panic, calm down, it's 2 games, it will get worked out etc" and...those flaws turned out to be fatal
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This. This carried over from Urbans last few seasons I feel like. Wait until you lose before you adjust to the glaring short comings.

cincibuck said:
Running from the gun on 3rd and short. You have to gain 5 yards just to make 1.
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Trust the science.

kujirakira said:
Exactly. Urban was forced out because of dildos.
He was safe in his job as far as on-field performance went. Despite the exact kind of embarrassing losses 1926 said a coach here couldn't get away with.
And why was he otherwise safe, despite those embarrassing losses several seasons in a row? Because his teams always showed out the weekend after Thanksgiving.
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Urban may have seen the writing on the wall - it seems the same positions he brought his buddies into coach are still trying to catch back up to the talent his first few staffs brought into town. The defensive back 7 2012-2017 is vastly different than the back 7 2018-2023 IMHO. Sure, you don't have Chase or Bosa bros walking through the door but the back 7 has dropped off from the Silver Bullet reputation it "feels" like.

Edit: wasn't Tate the QB when he left the & Fields transfered in to play with Day after Haskins blew up? Similar pattern to UF?
 
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knuckifyoubuck said:
This. This carried over from Urbans last few seasons I feel like. Wait until you lose before you adjust to the glaring short comings.


Trust the science.


Urban may have seen the writing on the wall - it seems the same positions he brought his buddies into coach are still trying to catch back up to the talent his first few staffs brought into town. The defensive back 7 2012-2017 is vastly different than the back 7 2018-2023 IMHO. Sure, you don't have Chase or Bosa bros walking through the door but the back 7 has dropped off from the Silver Bullet reputation it "feels" like.

Edit: wasn't Tate the QB when he left the & Fields transfered in to play with Day after Haskins blew up? Similar pattern to UF?
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Yeah, Tathan threw a fit when Fields transferred in. He left for Miami where he did absolutely nothing then transferred again to UNLV where he still couldn't see the field.. He never really showed anything in Columbus either except for an entitled attitude.
 
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scarletngray said:
I agree that the problem isn't the clock it is the failure to convert third downs. If it is the clock maybe there needs to be new strategy on how to use time outs.
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The Bucks are 7/24 (29%) on third down. Indiana and YSU went 11/30 (37%) on third down. When those teams are converting a higher percentage of third downs than OSU, there's a problem.

Some folks get caught up with the clock rules, but the clock becomes an issue when your opponent has more success on third down than you. That must improve, because what's going to happen against better opponents if it continues at these rates (or worse)?
 
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gmen6981 said:
Yeah, Tathan threw a fit when Fields transferred in. He left for Miami where he did absolutely nothing then transferred again to UNLV where he still couldn't see the field.. He never really showed anything in Columbus either except for an entitled attitude.
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Check the record book for top completion percentage in a game. :wink:
 
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Jake said:
The Bucks are 7/24 (29%) on third down. Indiana and YSU went 11/30 (37%) on third down. When those teams are converting a higher percentage of third downs than OSU, there's a problem.

Some folks get caught up with the clock rules, but the clock becomes an issue when your opponent has more success on third down than you. That must improve, because what's going to happen against better opponents if it continues at these rates (or worse)?
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And to your point, the Knowles hire came with getting 3 and outs as the reward for the risk of the big play.
 
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