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*adds KillerNut to his ignore list*
I guess that solves part of the problem...
I guess that solves part of the problem...
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See...this is not why you should be an OSU fan. We are the Buckeyes, not the Ohio State University Fighting Conservative WASPs. I don't know if Bob Jones University has a team, but you might be happier rooting for them. You shouldn't pick your favorite team on the basis of the political beliefs of the majority of fans. Even if Nixon, ashlandbuck, tibor75 and I disagree on politics, we all share one thing: None of us will ever root for tOSU to lose - Period.
Your examples are goofy. I want to win the NC, Big 10 championship AND beat scUM. Anything less than all three of these things is a dissapointment for me.
Maybe you would still make a good scUM fan - I hear Ann Coulter graduated from their law school.
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What's the difference between a scUM cheerleader and Bigfoot?
One is 6 feet tall, covered with matted hair and smells nasty...the other one has big feet...
One is 6 feet tall, covered with matted hair and smells nasty...the other one has big feet...
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It is amazing that you take your shots at me, and yet you answer none of the questions. Knowing Scripture doesn't make the Christian. So as I said before, go back to the previous two posts from you, and tell me a Christian wrote them who wasn't angry.
Your offense is not to reply with facts, but to try and make the other person feel either guilty or inferior. I've seen it work a couple time already . You'll need to try something new on me, scUMboy.
Your offense is not to reply with facts, but to try and make the other person feel either guilty or inferior. I've seen it work a couple time already . You'll need to try something new on me, scUMboy.
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Ex-Wolverine
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Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.RAMdrvr1 said:
If you're going to tell me I am not a Christian because I don't conform to your idea of what a Christian is, that's called judgment, little buddy. Again, as I said, re-read scripture. You will see quite clearly that you are not supposed to do it. So if I sinned with my language, you sinned by judging me, you sinned by treating a Christian brother the way you did.
I said I was a Christian, I never claimed to be righteous. You definitely are not righteous, so insulting me and telling me I am not righteous makes you a hypocrite.
And "scUMboy"? Classy.
Since someone made the mistake of making you a Mod, I cannot click ignore on your name. A shame. You are all insults and venom, namecalling and stone throwing. I cannot have your posts screened out, but I can stop reading them.
If you really are as old as your profile says, you might want to look in the mirror and ask yourself if you are really behaving in the manner in which someone your age should. Using juvenile insults such as "scUM" and "scUMboy" is not exactly what someone your age should be doing.
Hate Michigan, definitely. I sure do. But "scUMboy"? Is that the best you can do? I don't go to UM, I will never go to UM again for anything but to pick up my girlfriend, I hate the place more than you do. Calling me "scUMboy" as if I have any sort of affiliation with the hellhole other than being an alum and having a girlfriend there is not exactly something that hurts.
I am just ashamed that someone like you would smear the image of OSU fans and Christians by using such juvenile insults and behavior.
I will pray for you, but I will not converse with you any further. Good luck.
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"Ex-WeenieWeasal"
I am one of the biggest dickheads that you may ever possibly run into in your life when it comes to TOSU football.
That being said, welcome to this site. I can't believe that this whole thread has turned to nothing but a pissing contest. I am in no way offended by anything you've had to say. I think RAM has taken this thing way too far and it needs to stop now. JMO.
I am one of the biggest dickheads that you may ever possibly run into in your life when it comes to TOSU football.
That being said, welcome to this site. I can't believe that this whole thread has turned to nothing but a pissing contest. I am in no way offended by anything you've had to say. I think RAM has taken this thing way too far and it needs to stop now. JMO.
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Users can now set mods and even admins to 'ignore'.
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Not for nothing, different fans process things differently. I wasn't born into the Buckeye culture, hell, I was into my 20s when I finally came aboard. All I knew about OSU and the Big Ten was that they were all in what I, and other East Coasters, called "the middle state". Which was the big boring mass between civilization on the East Coast, and the crazies out in California on the West Coast. Can't say I feel the same way now, even though I'm still more East Coast than anything else, but it's all a matter of perspective. I grew up in Northern VA, I had strong family ties to Princeton. So I loosely followed the Tigers, and was a fan of Navy as well. I also followed Virginia and Virginia Tech loosely, because in Mount Vernon, if you didn't go to the first, then you were probably going to the second.
My ending up at Ohio State was an unlikely series of mistakes, coincidences and just random chance. But I did end up there, same time as Sloopy45 (and many of the same places from what I remember from our talking about it), and really started to appreciate that Buckeye football wasn't just a sport, it was damn near a religion. The fanaticism isn't what impressed me though, it was the gameday atmosphere, the passion (different than fanaticism) of the fans, and the history of the program. I got into it all quickly, and in a huge way, and it's hard to remember a time now where I wasn't die hard OSU.
I don't hate Michigan, except for one game a year. And that probably comes from not growing up learning to. I like talking smack about them, I like it when their fans suffer in the wake of our success, but for me it's not unlike being a Marine and ragging on the Navy. Oh sure, we don't like the little squidlies, but someone has to get us from point A to point B so that we can get to the fighting. I can joke at their expense, with their bellbottoms, dog bowl caps, and openly homosexual nature -- but at the end, it is just jokes. Because despite the 'rivalry', we're still linked. OSU and Michigan are linked. The reason this rivalry is often referenced as the greatest of all, regardless of sports, goes above the history and passion that goes into it. It also speaks largely to the level of success both teams have had, and how often the contest directly impacts the rest of the college football landscape. In the 90s and 2000s alone, how many times has "the game" impacted the national championship picture? Quite a few. That's why, when we're not playing them, I actually want UM to win. Don't get me wrong, I laughed when they lost to Oregon. Then I spent the rest of the season really wishing that they had won that game. Because of SOS, because it gave the Pac10 something to talk some smack about, because Michigan looking weaker takes away some of our thunder if and when they beat them. If UM could be undefeated every year we play them so that we destroy their hopes of a title, and in the process catapult ourselves closer to one, that's damn near ideal. I would derive FAR move pleasure from beating an 11-0 pack of Weasels, than I would if they were 5-6, 3-8, etc.
Some people disagree. Vehemently. And that's fine. But it doesn't make me less of a fan. It might make me less an extremist, and that can be either good or bad depending on your perspective, but not less a fan. It may even make me less "pure" a Buckeye fan. I just don't know. I am what I am, and that's all that I am, I'm Pop... Nevermind.
OSU literally got me through one of the toughest stretches in my life. The 2002 title season couldn't have been timed better for me personally, the *only* positive in our lives at that time was looking forward to the next game each Saturday. And we were never let down that season. That team defied natural law on several occassions, and literally willed themselves to win. "A team of destiny" was an entirely appropriate label. I will forever be an OSU fan, no matter where I go or what I do. Likewise, I will always have a tie to the Marine Corps wherever I go, and whatever I do. The things you do, the people you meet, and the places you go that have the potential to have direct and permanent an impact on your life, are few and far between. But OSU was definitely one for me.
Does coming into it late make me less a fan than my buddy Dubs? I don't know. I only know how it all is for me, I have no idea what his experience has been like, but I know when we talk, I recognize at least familiar levels of interest and passion in the program. Maybe he has 'more', but I'm not sure I care. I'm am sure that it's going to vary from person to person. I know 30something guys born and raised in CBus, who claim to be huge football and Buckeye fans, but they're definitely casual about it. I don't consider them huge fans relative to the average 'online' Buckeye fan, but they do. I know guys who have never even seen the Shoe, who are bigger fans than they are. It's all relative and personal, much like a religious interest I suppose.
I'm not "taking a side" here. I'm just sharing my perspective. Which in this case, is that if someone says they're a Buckeye fan, and shows they are through the things they do and say, then that's good enough for me.
It doesn't have to be good enough for someone else. That's my whole point. To each their own, as long as we can agree that being a Buckeye can mean different things to different people.
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Not for nothing, different fans process things differently. I wasn't born into the Buckeye culture, hell, I was into my 20s when I finally came aboard. All I knew about OSU and the Big Ten was that they were all in what I, and other East Coasters, called "the middle state". Which was the big boring mass between civilization on the East Coast, and the crazies out in California on the West Coast. Can't say I feel the same way now, even though I'm still more East Coast than anything else, but it's all a matter of perspective. I grew up in Northern VA, I had strong family ties to Princeton. So I loosely followed the Tigers, and was a fan of Navy as well. I also followed Virginia and Virginia Tech loosely, because in Mount Vernon, if you didn't go to the first, then you were probably going to the second.
My ending up at Ohio State was an unlikely series of mistakes, coincidences and just random chance. But I did end up there, same time as Sloopy45 (and many of the same places from what I remember from our talking about it), and really started to appreciate that Buckeye football wasn't just a sport, it was damn near a religion. The fanaticism isn't what impressed me though, it was the gameday atmosphere, the passion (different than fanaticism) of the fans, and the history of the program. I got into it all quickly, and in a huge way, and it's hard to remember a time now where I wasn't die hard OSU.
I don't hate Michigan, except for one game a year. And that probably comes from not growing up learning to. I like talking smack about them, I like it when their fans suffer in the wake of our success, but for me it's not unlike being a Marine and ragging on the Navy. Oh sure, we don't like the little squidlies, but someone has to get us from point A to point B so that we can get to the fighting. I can joke at their expense, with their bellbottoms, dog bowl caps, and openly homosexual nature -- but at the end, it is just jokes. Because despite the 'rivalry', we're still linked. OSU and Michigan are linked. The reason this rivalry is often referenced as the greatest of all, regardless of sports, goes above the history and passion that goes into it. It also speaks largely to the level of success both teams have had, and how often the contest directly impacts the rest of the college football landscape. In the 90s and 2000s alone, how many times has "the game" impacted the national championship picture? Quite a few. That's why, when we're not playing them, I actually want UM to win. Don't get me wrong, I laughed when they lost to Oregon. Then I spent the rest of the season really wishing that they had won that game. Because of SOS, because it gave the Pac10 something to talk some smack about, because Michigan looking weaker takes away some of our thunder if and when they beat them. If UM could be undefeated every year we play them so that we destroy their hopes of a title, and in the process catapult ourselves closer to one, that's damn near ideal. I would derive FAR move pleasure from beating an 11-0 pack of Weasels, than I would if they were 5-6, 3-8, etc.
Some people disagree. Vehemently. And that's fine. But it doesn't make me less of a fan. It might make me less an extremist, and that can be either good or bad depending on your perspective, but not less a fan. It may even make me less "pure" a Buckeye fan. I just don't know. I am what I am, and that's all that I am, I'm Pop... Nevermind.
OSU literally got me through one of the toughest stretches in my life. The 2002 title season couldn't have been timed better for me personally, the *only* positive in our lives at that time was looking forward to the next game each Saturday. And we were never let down that season. That team defied natural law on several occassions, and literally willed themselves to win. "A team of destiny" was an entirely appropriate label. I will forever be an OSU fan, no matter where I go or what I do. Likewise, I will always have a tie to the Marine Corps wherever I go, and whatever I do. The things you do, the people you meet, and the places you go that have the potential to have direct and permanent an impact on your life, are few and far between. But OSU was definitely one for me.
Does coming into it late make me less a fan than my buddy Dubs? I don't know. I only know how it all is for me, I have no idea what his experience has been like, but I know when we talk, I recognize at least familiar levels of interest and passion in the program. Maybe he has 'more', but I'm not sure I care. I'm am sure that it's going to vary from person to person. I know 30something guys born and raised in CBus, who claim to be huge football and Buckeye fans, but they're definitely casual about it. I don't consider them huge fans relative to the average 'online' Buckeye fan, but they do. I know guys who have never even seen the Shoe, who are bigger fans than they are. It's all relative and personal, much like a religious interest I suppose.
I'm not "taking a side" here. I'm just sharing my perspective. Which in this case, is that if someone says they're a Buckeye fan, and shows they are through the things they do and say, then that's good enough for me.
It doesn't have to be good enough for someone else. That's my whole point. To each their own, as long as we can agree that being a Buckeye can mean different things to different people.
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Clarity:
I don't think anyone would accuse you of being any less of a Buckeye fan. I grew up in Columbus, and my family were all Buckeye fans. I didn't end up going to tOSU, even though I got admitted - I chose Columbia instead. This was probably a good thing - I could root for both Columbia and tOSU without the prospect of the two teams ever having to play each other, but if such a game ever happened, there is no doubt I would root for OSU to win. Columbia's football program is not very good, and not many people really follow it - more people showed up at my High School games than Columbia home games. Now I live down here in Charlottesville, and I follow UVA football too, although I certainly would root for tOSU if the two teams played. I guess the point is that I am not only a huge Buckeye fan, I just love the college game as a whole. I find it so much more fun to watch than the pro game.
I agree that it is much more satisfying to beat an 11-0 scUM team than a 4-7 scUM team. I wouldn't say that I ever root for scUM to win their other games, but I would prefer that they win some of them. I just don't like it when they win a few games and then are overrated by the media - Oh well, I guess that makes it all the more better when we smash their dreams at the end of the season.
I don't think anyone would accuse you of being any less of a Buckeye fan. I grew up in Columbus, and my family were all Buckeye fans. I didn't end up going to tOSU, even though I got admitted - I chose Columbia instead. This was probably a good thing - I could root for both Columbia and tOSU without the prospect of the two teams ever having to play each other, but if such a game ever happened, there is no doubt I would root for OSU to win. Columbia's football program is not very good, and not many people really follow it - more people showed up at my High School games than Columbia home games. Now I live down here in Charlottesville, and I follow UVA football too, although I certainly would root for tOSU if the two teams played. I guess the point is that I am not only a huge Buckeye fan, I just love the college game as a whole. I find it so much more fun to watch than the pro game.
I agree that it is much more satisfying to beat an 11-0 scUM team than a 4-7 scUM team. I wouldn't say that I ever root for scUM to win their other games, but I would prefer that they win some of them. I just don't like it when they win a few games and then are overrated by the media - Oh well, I guess that makes it all the more better when we smash their dreams at the end of the season.
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KillerNut
Banned
Clarity,
There is no question about anything that you said being true, but you can't be serious about defending this clown?
It is like he is writing a paper on us and so he does things to stir the pot to see how we react and then acts surprised. I have a fairly good feel about what people are about based on there words, and how they phrase things, and I just think that this guy is out to create problems.
I have him on ignore so it will not bug me anymore. I still think, however, he is coming here to do nothing but cause a big distubance. He is not for real.
JMO.
There is no question about anything that you said being true, but you can't be serious about defending this clown?
It is like he is writing a paper on us and so he does things to stir the pot to see how we react and then acts surprised. I have a fairly good feel about what people are about based on there words, and how they phrase things, and I just think that this guy is out to create problems.
I have him on ignore so it will not bug me anymore. I still think, however, he is coming here to do nothing but cause a big distubance. He is not for real.
JMO.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
I agree with Killer 100%. You don't come onto a web site to ask questions about football traditions that you could pick up a book to learn about (if you really cared), and you definitely do not make the comments this guy made if you aren't trying to stir the pot. I don't have him on ignore, and will be more than happy to go toe-to-toe with him anytime he says the wrong thing, but I will give anyone the respect of an opinion. If he keeps up with the obvious flaming, though, I won't hesitate. I really don't think it will be too long until everyone agrees with Killer and myself.
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Nobody is flaming. Nobody is stirring the pot. This is how I learn. I ask questions, and when I get answers, I push to see how strong the answer is and how far it stretches.FKAGobucks877 said:
Along the way, I was insulted by people like RAM and Killer and others. I don't put up with being insulted by anyone, that's just not how I am, and that's not how any of you are either.
As for being able to pick up a book and learn buckeye traditions, I spend 4 days a week in Ann Arbor and 3 days a week in Toledo. I would love for you to tell me just where in Ann Arbor I am supposed to pick up a book on Buckeye traditions. Hell, even Toledo is more UM than OSU, and I never see OSU stuff for sale anywhere.
Theorize and come up with all the conspiracy theories you want, but none of that is true. To "troll" a messageboard is stupid and pointless. I could be doing my research or working on my website, I use this as something to do when I take a break, I don't have time for inane garbage like that.
This thread needs to die. There's no reason for me to be the center of attention, there are far more interesting things to discuss. If anyone else wants to say something that they want me to read, PM it to me because I am leaving the thread.
Thanks.
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